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1. Alt stores already exist. There‘s one called AltStore. All this will do is remove the 7 day timeout on these kinds of stores, nothing more.

2. Users who want to continue using Apple‘s own payment system will not be prevented from doing so. If you continue to buy from the app store, you can keep using ApplePay

3. iOS has many features that are extremely desirable and unique to the platform. Dismissing valid user concerns about Apple‘s bad app store practices, rejecting completely valid and worthwhile apps from entering the store simply because they didn‘t properly review them is not a valid argument. Telling people that if they don‘t like it they should put up or shut up when the outcome doesn‘t affect you in any meaningful way is disingenuous at best, outright wrong at worst.

It‘s a good sign that these bills are passing with an overwhelming majority. It‘s time for Apple to wake up and realise that developers and consumers are tired of Apple‘s policies.
And you can even use ApplePay outside of apps, like in Safari.
 
Is the App Store really the only reason you use iOS? Not the hardware, or software updates, or deep integration with MacOS and the Apple Watch, or AirPods, or any of that? Just the App Store?

I have to say, it sounds like you're missing out on a lot of good stuff.
The walled garden is the only reason I use iOS. I have listed my reasons why I find Android to be superior in every other way in an earlier post. But walled garden is my killer advantage.
 
If I wanted Android I would have bought an Android phone. Stop trying to turn iOS into Android.
This won‘t give you Android. It won‘t change your experience of iOS at all. You can already sideload apps with a free apple developer account, this would only remove the 7 day timer and potentially allow them to be installed without a PC, that‘s it.
 
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Anything else to offer? How am I wrong? When alt-stores fight for exclusivity it fragments the marketplace and forces users to have login accounts in multiple places. This negatively affects the user experience. I don't want to have to create a user account on the Epic store today and 2 years later need a login account on a different app store because an app moved their exclusive distributor.

Debatable.

Anything else to offer?

We can’t effectively vote with our wallets.

Of course you can, if you leave Apple they will research their shrinking user base and adjust as necessary.
 
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The walled garden is the only reason I use iOS. I have listed my reasons why I find Android to be superior in every other way in an earlier post. But walled garden is my killer advantage.
You don‘t have to leave the walled garden. Nobody is forcing you to do so.
 
Yes, alt-stores with app exclusivity will force people outside of the Apple experience.
They already exist, so no, they won‘t.

Apple can and will mitigate your concerns, it‘s dead simple. Apple can mandate that in order to access features like handoff, app clips, icloud integration, apple pay, etc. Can only be accessed from within the app store.

Nothing about your user experience will change. NOTHING. The fearmongering about apps moving off the app store is ridiculous.
 
Which won‘t go away.
Yes, of course it will. If you open it up, there will no longer be a walled garden. Yes it will still have an official AppStore, but that’s not the walled garden aspect. The walled garden means you need a tall ladder to get in, instead of an open or easy to open gate.
Massive difference.
 
Anything else to offer? How am I wrong? When alt-stores fight for exclusivity it fragments the marketplace and forces users to have login accounts in multiple places. This negatively affects the user experience. I don't want to have to create a user account on the Epic store today and 2 years later need a login account on a different app store because an app moved their exclusive distributor.
I’ve explained why you’re wrong about this a bunch of times already. I’m not going to keep repeating myself just because you refuse to read.

Anything else to offer?
Sure, see my previous posts, I’ve explained this to you pretty clearly.

Of course you can, if you leave Apple they will research their shrinking user base and adjust as necessary.
Yeah, we saw them take that approach with their Pro computer lines. It took like 5 years. I’d like something a little more direct, thanks, but you’re welcome to take the long route.
 
Yes, of course it will. If you open it up, there will no longer be a walled garden. Yes it will still have an official AppStore, but that’s not the walled garden aspect. The walled garden means you need a tall ladder to get in, instead of an open or easy to open gate.
Massive difference.
Nothing is opening up more than it is already, aside from a 7 day timer being removed. The ladder will still exist, as tall as ever. You can bet that Apple will still make it as hard as possible for people to install these alternate stores and will do everything they can to protect the walled garden for those who want it.

For those of us who want the best of both though? This will be a breath of fresh air. It‘s fantastic that the legislation is apparently going well.
 
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yep. Including the walled garden.
The walled garden aka the reviewers bring you zero security. The OS's security measures do, and they do prevail. If you're betting on the review system, you're betting on a dead horse.

Plus as has been said before, no one will take away your walled garden even if sideloading will be allowed beyond the 7 days refresh limit. It's just like allowing more tv shows on your TV (if you know how to find and install them), but they can now show whatever they want, like porn. But they can't hack your TV or anything.
 
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Malware? No. Nothing will be compromised, iOS doesn‘t work like Android.
But. People are already stating App Store is not 100% because malware slips through. Who is right here? Malware exists or not? If it does, side loading makes it worse by definition
 
But. People are already stating App Store is not 100% because malware slips through. Who is right here? Malware exists or not? If it does, side loading makes it worse by definition
I think you need to look up the definition of “by definition”.
 
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I’ve explained why you’re wrong about this a bunch of times already. I’m not going to keep repeating myself just because you refuse to read.

No, you have not addressed in any post my concerns of a fragmented store. People keep saying things like "you are wrong" or "that won't happen" or "I promise you that no dev will leave the Apple App store" but those are just opinions, you don't really offer any counter argument.

How exactly is a fragmented store with fragmented payment processors good for the consumer experience? Especially given that many of us bought into this ecosystem to avoid the issues I have presented and have no other alternative. You and those supporting alt-stores and alt-payments have somewhere else to go.
 
1&2: You can see it today already with Google's sideloading. Your fears did not come true, so leave it be. The first-party experience cannot be duplicated and 99 % of all apps will be there because they want to reach 100 % of all users.
You are making the argument for this user. Why should 99% of users suffer for the 1% that wants to side load?

Also, don’t forget Epic sued Google with their argument that side loading is too difficult on Android
 
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But. People are already stating App Store is not 100% because malware slips through. Who is right here? Malware exists or not? If it does, side loading makes it worse by definition
We already have sideloading though. You can self sign and install ipas through altstore already and it works on any ios version.

All apple have to do is make it equally as difficult to install altstore as it is now but remove the timer. This will absolutely not impact malware at all.
 
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You are making the argument for this user. Why should 99% of users suffer for the 1% that wants to side load?

Also, don’t forget Epic sued Google with their argument that side loading is too difficult on Android
They won‘t suffer because only one thing will change, and that is that users will be able to sideload them permanently without resorting to apps like AltStore or Scarlet.
 
Lovely response take your own advice. Walled garden is more secure than an open one. It’s by definition of a walled garden / gated community.
you‘re right there, which is why the walled garden will stay untouched, and unmarred.
 
No, you have not addressed in any post my concerns of a fragmented store. You keep saying things like "you are wrong" or "that won't happen" or "I promise you that no dev will leave the Apple App store" but those are just your opinions, you don't really offer any counter argument.

On the other side, it seems that you have some valid stats to back up your claims. Why don't you share that wit us?
 
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