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No, you have not addressed in any post my concerns of a fragmented store. You keep saying things like "you are wrong" or "that won't happen" or "I promise you that no dev will leave the Apple App store" but those are just your opinions, you don't really offer any counter argument.
They already told you that alt stores already exist.
 
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Lovely response take your own advice. Walled garden is more secure than an open one. It’s by definition of a walled garden / gated community.
I never said walled garden or open garden. Maybe you’re mistaking me for someone else.
 
You are making the argument for this user. Why should 99% of users suffer for the 1% that wants to side load?

Also, don’t forget Epic sued Google with their argument that side loading is too difficult on Android
Is it your opinion or a fact that I am making an argument for "this user"? And who is "this user" exactly?
I was giving an example where this is already happening. It is Google's Android and Apple's very own macOS. Fragmentation is not perceived there as a negative. In fact, macOS would lose most of its productivity suites if sideloading wasn't allowed. And it would even be less secure.
 
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You're wrong.
If I consider only buying games from Steam a Walled Garden, how do I get Final Fantasy 7 Remake? It’s not on Steam. This WILL happen on iOS. Because to compete with the App Store, exclusivities happen. Epic does it on PC to take on the Steam behemoth. Epic will do the same on iOS. People here are only thinking of tomorrow. Not a year from now.
 
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I'm not sure I've ever seen as much FUD as that which surrounds this topic.

Apple is absolutely brilliant at screwing with the minds of its users.

They have some folks CONVINCED that iPhone is going to die if Apple can't be the sole source of third party apps.
It's insane.
 
I never said walled garden or open garden. Maybe you’re mistaking me for someone else.
Your posts just don’t make sense. I said an open environment is less secure than a walled garden closed environment by definition. You told me to look up what definition means. Now you are saying you never said such a thing?!
 
I'm not sure I've ever seen as much FUD as that which surrounds this topic.

Apple is absolutely brilliant at screwing with the minds of its users.

They have some folks CONVINCED that iPhone is going to die if Apple can't be the sole source of third party apps.
It's insane.
Insane doesn‘t even scratch the surface unfortunately
 
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No, you have not addressed in any post my concerns of a fragmented store. People keep saying things like "you are wrong" or "that won't happen" or "I promise you that no dev will leave the Apple App store" but those are just opinions, you don't really offer any counter argument.

How exactly is a fragmented store with fragmented payment processors good for the consumer experience? Especially given that many of us bought into this ecosystem to avoid the issues I have presented and have no other alternative. You and those supporting alt-stores and alt-payments have somewhere else to go.
Do you share your account with other people or something? I literally discussed all of these points in response to your posts over the past few pages. If your memory is so short that you can't retain that then I don't know what good it would be to repeat myself.
 
There is nothing but your own opinions and predictions. Maybe you think they're more valid than others, but they're still pure guess.
Oh just like there is proof from every developer in existence that ever single iOS app ever made and will be made will always be on the App Store? Thus solidifying the “keep the walled garden setting in place it won’t change your usage at all” stance? That’s a pure guess by others on this topic. While I have evidence it will NOT be that way by taking Epic’s attitude and how they compete with Steam as a reference point.
 
Your posts just don’t make sense. I said an open environment is less secure than a walled garden closed environment by definition. You told me to look up what definition means. Now you are saying you never said such a thing?!
Their posts don't make sense to you. There's a difference.
 
Your posts just don’t make sense. I said an open environment is less secure than a walled garden closed environment by definition. You told me to look up what definition means. Now you are saying you never said such a thing?!
Maybe I'm being a little harsh. I take it English isn't your native language, so maybe that's causing a breakdown in communication. If so, I apologise.
 
Oh just like there is proof from every developer in existence that ever single iOS app ever made and will be made will always be on the App Store? Thus solidifying the “keep the walled garden it won’t change” stance? That’s a pure guess by others on this topic. While I have evidence it will NOT be that way by taking Epic’s attitude and how they compete with Steam as a reference point.
An app does not need to be on the App Store, nor does it increase or guarantee its security. Please read into the topic which means reading something else outside of Apple's PR handbook.
 
I'm not sure I've ever seen as much FUD as that which surrounds this topic.

Apple is absolutely brilliant at screwing with the minds of its users.

They have some folks CONVINCED that iPhone is going to die if Apple can't be the sole source of third party apps.
It's insane.
Not a single person here has said that explicitly.

Most are simply saying that a gate into the garden will enable more bad actors than continuing to have no gate.

It’s logically true. It’s laughably undeniable.
 
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Maybe I'm being a little harsh. I take it English isn't your native language, so maybe that's causing a breakdown in communication. If so, I apologise.
Holy smokes what’s with all the condescending attitudes on this thread. So you have proof that English isn’t my primary language? Just FYI I have never spoken anything other than English my entire life. I don’t even know Spanish or French.
 
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Not a single person here has said that explicitly.

Most are simply saying that a gate into the garden will enable more bad actors than continuing to have no gate.

It’s logically true. It’s laughably undeniable.
What is true or not is for everyone to decide. You can't decide that for everyone.
 
There is nothing but your own opinions and predictions.

Let's say your right, which your not, I posted references to payment processors being hacked, I posted references to apps unavailable via the MacOS store but what do you think I am wrong about?

Do you really believe that 100% of apps will maintain a presence on the Apple app store? If anyone claims that my user experience will not suffer than they must claim that or be in favor of that.

Do you really believe that moving from 1 store with 1 payment processor to lets say 10 major app stores, all with their own forced logins and random payment processors will not jeopardize user information? I don't see how that is possible as I posted references of random payment processors being hacked.
 
Let's say your right, which your not, I posted references to payment processors being hacked, I posted references to apps unavailable via the MacOS store but what do you think I am wrong about?

Do you really believe that 100% of apps will maintain a presence on the Apple app store? If anyone claims that my user experience will not suffer than they must claim that or be in favor of that.

Do you really believe that moving from 1 store with 1 payment processor to lets say 10 major app stores, all with their own forced logins and random payment processors will not jeopardize user information? I don't see how that is possible as I posted references of random payment processors being hacked.
I don't recall Slack requiring a third login in order to download it from their website instead of the MAS.
 
An app does not need to be on the App Store, nor does it increase or guarantee its security. Please read into the topic which means reading something else outside of Apple's PR handbook.
To maintain a walled garden it does. That’s the entire point
 
What is true or not is for everyone to decide. You can't decide that for everyone.
It’s already been decided since the inception of the iPhone.

To change it is a different matter. And your statement there in this case can apply to either view point.

Edit. Misread you post. You’re saying that including a gate in a wall make no difference to the integrity of a wall without a gate?
 
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