Sure, why not? No, seriously, what are the reasons that this shouldn't be the norm? If I buy something, I should be able to tinker with it to my heart's content. If I break it, that's on me.
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Sideloading Bill Would Allow 'Malware, Scams and Data-Exploitation to Proliferate,' Says Apple
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One company at a time, I feel it’s overdue to open up all closed gaming platforms.
If only Apple hadn’t treated the App Store as a way to extort developers for cash, it wouldn’t have come to this….
If this passes, Apple has no one to blame but themselves. They had numerous chances to compromise and avoid this outcome. Apple may have built the platform, and think that entitles them to collect rent for eternity- but the thing is, the government is allowed to enact rent control.
If this passes, Apple has no one to blame but themselves. They had numerous chances to compromise and avoid this outcome. Apple may have built the platform, and think that entitles them to collect rent for eternity- but the thing is, the government is allowed to enact rent control.
I don't get it either.
Why anyone is wanting their own device more restricted is beyond me.
They wouldn't have to choose to do anything beyond what they already do with the device if they didn't want to.
I didn't say they wouldn't still be sandboxed at all and I'm certainly not buying into any sort of "boogyman". I just said that IF something were to happen then the onus needs to be on the user and not on Apple
One way to do this without compromising security would be to run sideloaded apps in a complete sandbox so they can’t access any other data on the phone (no copy/paste, being opened from other apps, getting data passed in, etc. basically no permissions at all) It would technically comply, but functionality would be limited for security.
Depends what you mean there -- but it's several orders of concern down the road on this idea and would be worth further discussion if something changes here.
Yes... scammy malware-ridden apps can be found in the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store... despite Google and Apple trying to prevent them. Both Google and Apple attempt to find and eliminate bad apps... but some still sneak through.
We're quick to point out when a scam app appears in the store... but nobody talks about how many don't get into the store. Maybe Google and Apple stop 1,000 bad apps for every one app that sneaks into the store. Perhaps Google and Apple stop a majority of the bad apps submitted to the store... but some still sneak through. We just don't know.
Now let's talk about sideloading.
A scammy developer builds a website and people start downloading malware-ridden apps directly from the web. Now there's nobody who can stop that.
The next hot game could be sideload-only... and millions of people will download this identity-theft app disguised as a game.
The possibilities for abuse are endless.
If the claims that sideloaded apps will be sandboxed are true... this might not be a big problem.
At least app stores can remove bad scammy apps.
But it's almost impossible to eliminate bad scammy websites.
That should be optional and USER decided.
If I want an app that I side loaded onto MY phone...to access MY data..
I need to be able to say yes to that.
With respect -- why the F is it any of Apple's business on that choice?
That's basically like not implementing it at all. I doubt it would be seen as complying (but obviously that would depend on the specific wording and specific execution).
Game consoles affect fewer people. Start where you'll have the most impact.
Nobody is stopping you from sideloading. At this point Apple doesn't have to help you, however.
But gaming is a huge industry. Let's not pick and choose here. Sweeping regulations or leave it alone.
As far as I know, nothing stops you from installing anything on anything electronic or even doom in your fridge. There’s just no interest for it. And I think the missing “3d party” support is important.
Plus Xbox already allow home-brewing.
And sorry but the rest of the world seem to want the same think
Apple's problem is that they have done little to nothing to prevent scams in the App Store. Something as simple as enforcing Trademark infringement is beyond them. The article below explains this well. Apple has profited for years, literally YEARS taking 30% of total scam apps that stay in the App Store even after people like Kosta Eleftheriou have pointed out the scams. Apps clearly identified as using dark patterns to do nothing but scam users have stayed in place in the App Store for years. I find the App Store terrifying. I, in fact, had to install the Samsung app, and it was horrible. I would much rather have gone to www.samsung.com to sideload the app. This would be safer in my mind because Samsung has the means via the courts to ensure Samsung.com cannot be highjacked. Apple simply ignores very simple enforcement process protecting Samsung's markes in the App Store. Yet the majority of comments here talk about the 'wild and dangerous' world of sideloading ignoring Apple's many easily fixed App Store issues that Jason points out in the article below. Apple deserves a law forcing side loading. They could have easily avoided this, but chose not to.
www.macworld.com
Wordle may be fixed, but the App Store is still a total mess
Scams, knockoffs, ripoffs, and fake reviews abound, but it doesn't have to be this way.
www.macworld.com
And the solution there is to know what you’re downloading and who you’re downloading from.
BS, Gaming consoles have existed decades before the app store, and no regulations ever made for them. Heck, where were these old people when Sony removed Linux capability on the PS3? The fact that this is targeting Apple clearly shows the corrupt and ill intention. Anybody have a list of the old white people proposing this? Their financials should be scrutinized by y'all Americans since they're abusing your own tax dollars.
A really salient point
Apple just wants all the revenue, without doing much work at all on the "benefits of being in the store" part of things.
Since they don't have to compete on features or execution with their App Store, the money makes itself!
How convenient for them
Apple is scare mongering to distract from the real issue that iOS is full of Pegasus level zero-click takeover vulnerabilities.
I think you’ll find vanishingly few people who want regulations placed on Apple, but not gaming companies. I think it’s safe to say most of us are very much for both.
You can already do that, by not using Apple products. Apple has had this walled garden experience for more than a decade. If you want side loading and yet you bought an iphone, the onus of foolishness is on you, considering the alternative Android is plenty and the majority.
Agreed.
I just see no need to talk about the game companies here.
It's not relevant and is a misplaced discussion here on this particular forum.
Apple should be thinking long and hard about why they, objectively the least monopolistic of the tech giants, are the one Congress is the most excited to regulate.
Hint: it has everything to do with them refusing to give an inch to those far weaker and poorer than them and nothing to do with some conspiracy among legislators that hate Apple.