Sideloading iOS Apps No Longer Possible on M1 Macs

[0924487]

It is explicitly NOT against the TOS.

Install and uninstall purchases from the App Store on Mac

In the App Store on your Mac, install and reinstall apps that you purchased with your Apple Account.

support.apple.com

Apps are tied to your Apple ID, not to a specific device or even platform.

For each instance of that app, you need a license from Apple.

In fact, there is a maximum number of installations allowed, that number is typically 10.

 

[Carrotcruncher]

Technically, side-loading like this is software piracy. Apps like Netflix also need to worry about content piracy.

How is it piracy? You can’t use Netflix without a subscription!

 

[Wando64]

I am old enough to remember the good old days when people thought that using iOS apps an a Mac was a stupid idea.

 

[Azeroth1]

This sounded like a nice feature. Apple controls both stores so it’s not like a jailbreak situation. Users can have one account for both stores. Why stop it?

 

[Abazigal]

The bottom line is that a user should be able to install any software they want and use their mac in any way they want without a connection to Apple being necessary. Apple should not be a centralized authority that decides what we can and cannot do with our computers given how essential computers have become in 21st century life.

The bottom line is that if you don't want to have to deal with this sort of limitation, then perhaps a Mac isn't the device for you.

 

[vladi]

My app is untested MacOS. We don’t allow anyone to use untested software. We will soon turn off the ability to run on iOS 10 or 11 because it gets hard to test.

Sounds like you need some proper outsourcing when it comes to labor intensive stuff.

 

[ericwn]

It isn't up to the developer to decide how I use the software they wrote software any more than it's up to Craftsman how I use the wrench they built or Ford how I use their truck they assembled.

Don’t you agree to the terms of use with the software agreement? That’s where those agreements are made.

 

[ericwn]

Wrong. This is Apple enforcing the developer's decision regarding where you can run their app. Which is great because now I don't have to worry about supporting and/or trouble shooting a feature that I can't fully test since I don't have an M1 Mac.

At that point you’d have a macro in text expander saying “sorry we don’t support that platform with this app”. Like any software company has for requests that aren’t supported.

 

[tonyr6]

I don't regret not getting a M1 MacBook. The one reason was to run iPhone and iPad apps but since most of not compatible like Netflix, Amazon and music players I feel better.

 

[nerdo]

Funny how people blame apple when the choice is with the developers. Ah well, reading is a underestimated skill, especially now when so many people think you have to read between the lines and not what is written.

 

[ericwn]

since when has Apple listened to message boards on MacRumors? it would take a butterfly switch catastrophe (or so I've been told) for Apple to change their minds about anything.

regardless, even if they did, I rather have a variety of operating systems to choose from. if I wanted the ultimate customization and do-whatever-i-want, I'd go for a PC. if i wanted the ultimate curated experience where a company has end to end control of the entire user flow, I'd go to Apple. why would I want Apple to turn into Microsoft when I can just go to Microsoft? what, because Apple makes marginally better hardware?

i want to experience what a company with "insane level of control" has to offer. and so far, it seems to be damn working well with AirPods, AirPlay, AirDrop, Apple Watch, etc...if it doesn't work, I'd go to Microsoft.

asking macOS to be more like Windows is what is insane.

Lol
Moved the goal post just ever so slightly. Hilarious.

 

[ericwn]

Exactly. And back in the day, using a machine as the user saw fit was the expectation. Apple is forcing devs to sell through their store. It is all about $. But more chilling is the potential to cut the legs off someone they disagree with. Imagine Parler develops an app.... oh wait, that already happened.

Apps are not forced to the App Store in macOS.

 

[ericwn]

How is that the same? Ford didn’t set the rules of the road. Developers have no rights beyond first sale.

That again depends on the agreement you have signed. What does it say?

 

[ericwn]

Try having some kids. One day you'll realize a kid snooping around your computer trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Then come back and try your comment again.

What you're saying is just as stupid as the stuff you write on Electrek's disqus board, evpaddy. So I'm not even going to bother continuing. Have a good one.

Learn parenting.

 

[ericwn]

So, what was the point of bringing the iOS apps to Mac if Apple doesn't allowing most of them?! Another marketing BS vs real implication. I guess it's matter of time the devs to bring their apps to Macs as well!?

You did read the article where it states that it’s the developers that decide where they want their product to work.

 

[ericwn]

Well that sucks doesn't it. Gotta compromise on the user experience if you want to use your own hardware how you want. Wouldn't it be something if Apple had just.. ya know left this feature in?

Feature is still available if developers agree.

 

[4jasontv]

Setting aside that this is utterly asinine, Apple doesn’t even receive apps’ source code. They cannot release source code that they do not have.

Edit: And if this was thrown into Apple Developer agreements, it’d lead to the collapse of the App Store, given that you are simply handing your source code to a potential competitor. That’s the kind of change that would get developers to walk off and move to the web. Fast.

How would you propose they be held accountable?

 

[ericwn]

I understand that now, Thank you for clarifying it. Wonder why devs won't want to bring their apps to MacOs then? Since that's the case.. As far as I know, Apple made the UI kit easier for devs to make one app for all Apple platforms.. so?! Still a bit confused on that

As devs stated above it really comes down to each developer. Everyone has their individual reasons. Some already have an app some struggle with current tools some don’t want to offer support - there’s no general answer.

 

[4jasontv]

We’ll take that into account in the pricing of the app. “Personally responsible” means my salary needs to increase to take that into account. And you pay for that.

The market will determine it. Pay would likely increase if developer numbers decrease.

 

[4jasontv]

Just curious, what is your job? If you’re a hairdresser and my hair cut goes out of fashion in two years, are you going to pay a refund, out of your personal pocket?

If I’m a hairdresser the customer and I agree before they leave the salon. Software is sold with promise that they will finish later...

 

[4jasontv]

The developer has the right not to make a first sale.

Than the don’t sell it. But this license idea needs to go.

 

[ericwn]

So Apple has removed one of the main reasons to buy an M1, more apps, and continues to toss the ball back into Microsoft’s court when it comes to running Windows on the M1 which results in even fewer available apps. I was starting to regret my decision to go with an early 2020 Intel MacBook Air but am not any longer. I need a platform with more apps, not fewer.

Apple has empowered the developers to decide. I would argue that if iOS apps are so needed just get an iOS device that runs them as it’s supposed to?

 

[4jasontv]

Don’t you agree to the terms of use with the software agreement? That’s where those agreements are made.

No, I’m forced in a one sided statement. There is no agreements.

Also my point is that the developer should have no right to set the terms because they have demonstrated as an industry they can’t be trusted.

 

[ericwn]

Just curious, what is your job? If you’re a hairdresser and my hair cut goes out of fashion in two years, are you going to pay a refund, out of your personal pocket?

She’s gonna work for free on that hair for you for the next two year period and will be personally responsible.

 

[ericwn]

It just works.

If the developers want it to.