Sideloading iOS Apps No Longer Possible on M1 Macs

[Strelok]

Yeah it's about control and lockdowns.
You don't own the machine anymore. Pretty soon they'll rent you features.

You own the machine but not the software. This isn't anything new with Apple, I'm not sure why people keep acting so surprised. Apple makes what they think is the best decision for the most users. If you don't like the manufacturer making decisions for you, look elsewhere.

 

[0924487]

To be fair they aren’t getting full desktop functionality it’s still the iOS app right ?

It’s against the TOS. Using and duplicating software in a way that is unintended is software piracy.

Making iOS or iPadOS apps like 1Password or Lightroom available on Mac diminishes the need to buy a license for the Mac app, which will impact revenue for the developers.

 

[phantom13]

*most iOS apps unavailable

 

[XXPP]

Did you really think you owned your Apple hardware?

It is the developers of the application that decide on the installation options. You do not own the copyright.

 

[Cboz718]

Those commenting that this is consistent with Apple doesn’t consider that every single iPhone only app can be run on an iPad scaled up with a iffy user experience and UI, and there is no way to disable it i.e. the official Instagram app

 

[Apple_Robert]

Yeah it's about control and lockdowns.
You don't own the machine anymore. Pretty soon they'll rent you features.

I own my M1. Apple still has the right to dictate how I use their software (and the App Store) on my M1.

Apple patched a loophole in the beta. A lot of people are disgruntled because they will no longer be able to use apps in a manner that does not fit the intended use by Apple and the respective Developers.

 

[phantom13]

It’s against the TOS. Using and duplicating software in a way that is unintended is software piracy.

Making apps like 1Password or Lightroom available on Mac diminishes the need to buy a license for the Mac, which will impact revenue for the developers.

So if I download a copy on my iPhone and iPad it’s against TOS? That’s duplicates . All I’m doing is using the iOS app that I purchased and downloaded legally from the App Store . Of course it’s against tos now because they opted out my point is they didn’t need to be given the option.

 

[phantom13]

like that's going to prevent all reviews of that sort from happening.

I can go write whatever I want in reviews. If it happens the developer can respond and get clarification it was for M1 then respond accordingly.

 

[zakarhino]

It's amazing to me how people bend over backwards to defend anti-user decisions like this; immediately deferring to some nonsense about piracy, developer choice, and Apple's preferences rather than thinking about what's best for the end user. Worse yet, there haven't been any comments in this thread so far regarding the privacy implications of Apple being able to do this. The fact that there's some software bundled into macOS that enables Apple to hit a server side switch and suddenly users cannot install certain software is extremely disconcerting.

The bottom line is that a user should be able to install any software they want and use their mac in any way they want without a connection to Apple being necessary. Apple should not be a centralized authority that decides what we can and cannot do with our computers given how essential computers have become in 21st century life.

 

[diamondsw]

It’s against the TOS. Using and duplicating software in a way that is unintended is software piracy.

Making iOS or iPadOS apps like 1Password or Lightroom available on Mac diminishes the need to buy a license for the Mac app, which will impact revenue for the developers.

It is explicitly NOT against the TOS.

Install and uninstall purchases from the App Store on Mac

In the App Store on your Mac, install and reinstall apps that you purchased with your Apple Account.

support.apple.com

Apps are tied to your Apple ID, not to a specific device or even platform.

 

[JeepGuy]

So does this only apply to apps on the app store?, and can I sideload something I'm working on for testing?

I don't have my M1 yet so I can't test this.

 

[Apple_Robert]

This is outright stupid. Apple has no business actively blocking me from being able to install apps that I want to install.

Apple has every right. If you don't like it, create your own OS and apps so that you can do whatever you want.

 

[farewelwilliams]

I can go write whatever I want in reviews. If it happens the developer can respond and get clarification it was for M1 then respond accordingly.

And a developer doesn't want to spend any resources or precious time dealing with M1 issues. That is the one of the major reasons why Apple did this.

 

[4jasontv]

It is the developers of the application that decide on the installation options. You do not own the copyright.

I hate this mentality. This is not a concept that should be 'up to the developer' to decide. Apple needs to put their foot down and say 'we took a cut on our revenue for you and in exchange your Apps will work on these devices or we will remove them from the store".

 

[phantom13]

And a developer doesn't want to spend any resources or precious time dealing with M1 issues. That is the one of the major reasons why Apple did this.

I know why they did it. It’s just not worth losing the feature IMO.

 

[phantom13]

I hate this mentality. This is not a concept that should be 'up to the developer' to decide. Apple needs to put their foot down and say 'we took a cut on our revenue for you and in exchange your Apps will work on these devices or we will remove them from the store".

Exactly, they put their foot down everywhere else why not here.

 

[4jasontv]

Exactly, they put their foot down everywhere else why not here.

Apple is to cavalier with developers. As is seen by all of the the abandonware, broken apps, and Epic outbursts.

 

[zakarhino]

You own the machine but not the software. This isn't anything new with Apple, I'm not sure why people keep acting so surprised. Apple makes what they think is the best decision for the most users. If you don't like the manufacturer making decisions for you, look elsewhere.

*Apple makes the best decision for their bottom line

There is nothing else a corporation optimizes for, legally speaking. Pretending that customer wants/needs align with corporate wants/needs is naive so "looking elsewhere" is not an option in a monopolized marketplace exclusively dominated by Windows and macOS, both of which are proprietary operating systems that the customer has virtually no influence or control over due to a variety of factors.

Apple, Microsoft, and the rest will continue to lock down their operating systems and will continue their mission to strip away any user freedom that gets in the way of their business dominance. Before long you won't own the machine either because what's the point in owning the machine if it's just the hardware portal to the software world that you're already leasing anyway.

 

[Strelok]

*Apple makes the best decision for their bottom line

There is nothing else a corporation optimizes for, legally speaking. Pretending that customer wants/needs align with corporate wants/needs is naive so "looking elsewhere" is not an option in a monopolized marketplace exclusively dominated by Windows and macOS, both of which are proprietary operating systems that the customer has virtually no influence or control over due to a variety of factors.

Apple, Microsoft, and the rest will continue to lock down their operating systems and will continue their mission to strip away any user freedom that gets in the way of their business dominance. Before long you won't own the machine either because what's the point in owning the machine if it's just the hardware portal to the software world that you're already leasing anyway.

There is Linux if you are so hell bent on having something with "choice".

 

[zakarhino]

And a developer doesn't want to spend any resources or precious time dealing with M1 issues. That is the one of the major reasons why Apple did this.

This was an unofficial workaround for sideloading apps. There is nothing that says a developer needs to deal with tickets from M1 users as their app is not officially supported on M1. If I'm using a developer's software in a way they didn't intend they can simply refuse support/service like most other product vendors do rather than finding a way to prevent me from using it in that way in the first place. This only exists because it hurts either Apple's business or the business of one of their major app developers (netflix, etc.)

 

[Stromos]

Prompt 2 works just about perfect on the M1. Now I can't use it. I paid 14.99 for it. The developer has been silent on officially adding M1 support. I will 100% not buy this app again. It already works. These are the developers that need to be review bombed until they comply.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

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*most iOS apps unavailable

Yeah, I sense a class action lawsuit brewing. Why not? People sue over lesser things. LOL

 

[4jasontv]

It's amazing to me how people bend over backwards to defend anti-user decisions like this; immediately deferring to some nonsense about piracy, developer choice, and Apple's preferences rather than thinking about what's best for the end user. Worse yet, there haven't been any comments in this thread so far regarding the privacy implications of Apple being able to do this. The fact that there's some software bundled into macOS that enables Apple to hit a server side switch and suddenly users cannot install certain software is extremely disconcerting.

The bottom line is that a user should be able to install any software they want and use their mac in any way they want without a connection to Apple being necessary. Apple should not be a centralized authority that decides what we can and cannot do with our computers given how essential computers have become in 21st century life.

To me the logical solution is that all apps should work on all devices. If it doesn't it gets removed from the app store. That allows for the security and simplicity provided by the app store while also offering users choice.

This would be hard for developers but it should be because developing apps is work.

 

[phantom13]

This was an unofficial workaround for sideloading apps. There is nothing that says a developer needs to deal with tickets from M1 users as their app is not officially supported on M1. If I'm using a developer's software in a way they didn't intend they can simply refuse support/service like most other product vendors do rather than finding a way to prevent me from using it in that way in the first place. This only exists because it hurts either Apple's business or the business of one of their major app developers (netflix, etc.)

No doubt both.

 

[farewelwilliams]

If I'm using a developer's software in a way they didn't intend they can simply refuse support/service like most other product vendors do rather than finding a way to prevent me from using it in that way in the first place.

If you've ever worked on an app for hundreds of thousands/millions of of customers, "simply refusing" in this context means spending 40 hours a week sifting through thousands of support tickets to refuse.

Not to mention it knocks down the overall stars for a particular software unnecessarily.