so the wall is going up around the apple eco system, not really a bad thing and we all knew this was going to happen ... Apple in control of the user experience has been pretty successful thus far.
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Sideloading iOS Apps No Longer Possible on M1 Macs
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Say you have an iPad app and when someone wants support for it you expect them to be interacting with it in a particular environment, in terms of OS and input device at least.
A user has sideloaded it onto their Mac and things aren’t working properly due to an outright bug your testing didn’t take into account, one that wouldn’t occur in the intended environment. That’s potentially time and other resources wasted on a scenario you do not want and/or cannot afford to support.
This outcome should be expected, although I thought it’d be in place sooner than this. Apple put in place the option of developers allowing iOS apps onto the Mac but if a developer has not allowed it, Apple has an ethical obligation, even if not explicitly written into the dev agreement, to ensure that’s the case.
This response fits your profile picture perfectly, gotta love it
. In a world where a few companies dominate the technology most of us are required to use every day, this is an unacceptable take. This is like saying "If you don't like it, leave" in response to Americans that take issue with certain aspects of their country.As an indy developer it seems Apple is allowing the people who write (own the rights to the) apps to decide, not Apple.
Apple, please fix all the basic bugs (such as bluetooth bugs) and stop crippling our macs for marginal profits. People were installing paid apps to their paid computers. When it comes to your profits you are quick to fix stuff. Not cool.
You paid for the legal right to use the iOS version. You haven't paid for the right to use the Mac version, because it doesn't exist at this point in time.
The developer hasn't done anything wrong. You want to create a pile on the evil developer campaign, because you no longer can use the app in an unofficial manner.
Exactly, it's the same iOS app that you already paid for. Just on a slightly different device. It's like: pay this for iPhone 5, pay something else for iPhone X size class, pay again for the iPad version, and yet again if you want to run it on an even bigger screen, like on a macbook.
I'm familiar with the process of working on huge software but it doesn't change my opinion as I automatically believe the consumer's rights should be optimized for before the company's. If a company has to deal with more tickets then that's simply the cost of business.
Besides, it's not like Apple's gargantuan resource pool of cash and brains couldn't come up with a better review and support system for iOS apps so as to maintain user freedom whilst making it easier for companies to deal with irrelevant support tickets and reviews.
Here’s the problem with that, though: Not all iOS apps will work conceptually on the Mac. If an app uses ARKit, it’s useless on the Mac. If it needs data from the gyroscope, also useless. And then there are the numerous other apps that would technically function on the Mac, but the developer’s not willing to accept (or support) the compromised experience of a touch-first UI on a mouse-first device. Apple understands that iOS apps on the Mac…really aren’t the greatest right now — especially games — and they’re right not to force iOS developers to support the Mac. With time, it may become a requirement for those apps where it makes sense to support it.
It’s also important to note that many developers currently have no hardware on which to test their iOS apps running on a Mac using Apple silicon. Good luck troubleshooting on hardware that you don’t have if your users run into issues there. Absent that, and considering the compromised user experience, it’s safer in many cases to just opt out for now.
And then some customers will turn around and put a one-star review on the iOS App Store because they were using the app in an unsupported environment and something broke.
Sideloading doesn’t magically make the iOS version into a MacOS version. He’s still using the same application.
Apple has every right to control how their platform is used. All you did was buy an Apple device. That doesn't give you the kind of legal rights you seem to think you are entitled to, just because you bought an Apple device.This response fits your profile picture perfectly, gotta love it
You agreed to the EULA terms an now you want to complain after the fact and want to be able to do whatever you want with Apple hardware and apps. Life doesn't work that way.
What you can do is stop using Apple devices and use Linux or some other OS, as well as finding apps where he developers don't care if they get ripped off.
this was 25% of the reason I got the M1. I have some old iOS apps I use which only get updated minimally (just enough that they still run) so it's really nice to have them on my mac. if the developer wanted to update them for real, I'd be willing to subscribe to them! glad I have them for now at least.
first thing I did when I got my macbook air was run imazing and go through all the apps on my phone and ipad, and get all the ones I wanted on my mac. only a couple didn't actually work, almost all worked fine and still do.
first thing I did when I got my macbook air was run imazing and go through all the apps on my phone and ipad, and get all the ones I wanted on my mac. only a couple didn't actually work, almost all worked fine and still do.
Yes, he is but, he is using it on a platform that the developer did not create nor did Apple approve. As such, he has been using software on a platform he didn't pay for.
Isn’t one of the big reasons in owning a M1 mac so you can use iOS apps on it, love my M1 pro, but the lack of iOS apps is very disappointing. 🤦♂️
If Apple was consistent I would be fine with that stance, even applaud it. They, however, pick and choose when they let developers have choice of how to run their apps which conveniently coincides with profit margins/big developer interests.
The question is, why would people not allow you to run iOS apps on a Mac? What advantage would that give a developer? Specifically apps that don't even have a desktop interface.
Where did Apple state that this kind of usage is and would be further supported with the sale of the M1? To my knowledge, Apple has said no such thing. Some individuals found an OS loop hole and sought to exploit it for their own use and gains. And now, it seems some here are acting as if Apple has done something wrong for closing a loophole.
If people bought the M1 just so they could side load, those individuals are getting what they deserve, in my opinion. Either get rid of the M1 if some here want to side loads apps, or use the M1 and respective App Store as intended and supported in the legal agreement.
I think people are confusing iOS support and sideloading but I think the principle is still the same.
Besides you act like sideloading is this inherently malicious thing when it’s only done for apps you own.
Me: "I don't like how X thing works today, I think it should be changed"
You: "X thing doesn't work that way today"
I know, that's why I'm voicing my opinion about wanting them to be changed. Again, it's like when people protest for some form of change and someone comes along to say "Life doesn't work that way," you're just making a statement that is equivalent to reading the time or telling me what color the sky is. We already know life doesn't work that way, so we want it changed. I've never really understood this way of thinking.
What is your personal opinion on what kind of freedoms users should be entitled to on their devices?
If the dev opted out macOS support that app will not even show up in the Mac App Store, is this not enough?
Those problems seem like they can be solved with time and money invested. Rebuilding the UX to support the platform requirement would take a lot of effort and is something we should expect the developers to put in.
There might be an argument to be made for free apps that don't have IAP or ads, but even then single platform apps should be discouraged.
The issue is regarding user right to run in on the Mac - an argument made by a previous post. If users have a right to run software they purchased on any hardware than no its not.
Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion. I am all for that. What I am against, is people using iOS apps on the M1 when there is no respective Mac app. In my opinion, that is wrong on many levels, unless Apple decides to officially support said action. Until and unless Apple makes such a statement, Apple users need to follow the legal agreement they agreed to.
If people wish to work towards getting Apple to change course, I am all for that as well, so long as it is done in a respectful and legal manner.