It's just as likely this isn't the actual price, and they just stuck this in as a placeholder.
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It's just as likely this isn't the actual price, and they just stuck this in as a placeholder.
Worrying how US centric the announcement has been. I'm in the UK and we've had to wait for iTunes Match, iTunes Radio and Apple Pay. Sometimes many months.
I want to know what the actual UK pricing will be directly from Apple and when they'll be launching it. Have to admit, kinda getting tired of these staggered US first launches which while I understand they are a US company their rivals are launching services worldwide at launch.
I want to know what the actual UK pricing will be directly from Apple and when they'll be launching it. Have to admit, kinda getting tired of these staggered US first launches which while I understand they are a US company their rivals are launching services worldwide at launch.
Eddy Cue SPECIFICALLY SAID GIRLFRIEND.Yep, girlfriend, that's not family... in this case they will want to see the marriage license. I hear you can submit that now using the camera on your phone
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It's also important to recognize that no tech company (and especially not Apple) would "announce" a product price via a Beta software feature.
I believe the Apple definition of "family" is "people that get to share a credit card". So, no judgment-- but that's the point; if your finances are not intertwined enough to share a credit card, you are not "family".
By which he may have meant: "live-in 'girlfriend' who is actually your life partner, but whom you haven't got around to officially marrying." I don't think he meant: "that girl you had intimate contact with at the movies last weekend."
Gotcha. That's an extremely odd definition.
My live-in girlfriend has the ability to use her own credit card as well. It's a very outdated concept of "family" or "relationship" but ok.
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I have a problem with this too. If the family sharing would be more flexible with the payment options or who pays what we would be all over Apple Music.
Our situation is like this: We have active family sharing in my family and I am the Master of the Universe and my wife is the other adult. We have only small kids so no one else in our Apple Family. So we share my credit card. That is all cool.
But with Apple Music we would like to "extend" our family to include my dad and my brother. We are all adults and live on our own. And my dad would be cool to pay for Apple Music for all of us. But he is for sure not cool to pay for my apps and my wifes Hayday diamonds and whatever my brother decides to buy.
I think our extended family is still a family, but Apples strict 1 credit card policy really makes it impossible us (or at least very difficult). Or maybe some one have a solution for us that I'm not aware of?
I have an unlimited Spotify accound (so I pay 5€/month) and my brother pays for unlimited (10€).. So I guess it seems that we need to wait for Spotify to give a better Family deal and just skip Apple Music.
Thank you! This is a totally common situation that I think Family Sharing should account for, but as far as I know, doesn't.I have a problem with this too. If the family sharing would be more flexible with the payment options or who pays what we would be all over Apple Music.
Our situation is like this: We have active family sharing in my family and I am the Master of the Universe and my wife is the other adult. We have only small kids so no one else in our Apple Family. So we share my credit card. That is all cool.
But with Apple Music we would like to "extend" our family to include my dad and my brother. We are all adults and live on our own. And my dad would be cool to pay for Apple Music for all of us. But he is for sure not cool to pay for my apps and my wifes Hayday diamonds and whatever my brother decides to buy.
I think our extended family is still a family, but Apples strict 1 credit card policy really makes it impossible us (or at least very difficult). Or maybe some one have a solution for us that I'm not aware of?
I have an unlimited Spotify accound (so I pay 5€/month) and my brother pays for unlimited (10€).. So I guess it seems that we need to wait for Spotify to give a better Family deal and just skip Apple Music.
I want to include my parents, my two sisters and my girlfriend. Like you said, my dad would most likely be ok with paying for Apple Music, but everything else? Doubtful. Family sharing just needs to be more flexible.
I have a problem with this too. If the family sharing would be more flexible with the payment options or who pays what we would be all over Apple Music.
Our situation is like this: We have active family sharing in my family and I am the Master of the Universe and my wife is the other adult. We have only small kids so no one else in our Apple Family. So we share my credit card. That is all cool.
But with Apple Music we would like to "extend" our family to include my dad and my brother. We are all adults and live on our own. And my dad would be cool to pay for Apple Music for all of us. But he is for sure not cool to pay for my apps and my wifes Hayday diamonds and whatever my brother decides to buy.
I think our extended family is still a family, but Apples strict 1 credit card policy really makes it impossible us (or at least very difficult). Or maybe some one have a solution for us that I'm not aware of?
I have an unlimited Spotify accound (so I pay 5€/month) and my brother pays for unlimited (10€).. So I guess it seems that we need to wait for Spotify to give a better Family deal and just skip Apple Music.
Your dad and your brother need to use iTunes gift cards to pay their own stuff from iTunes or you'll pay for them with your credit card. There is no other solution for that.
I have a problem with this too. If the family sharing would be more flexible with the payment options or who pays what we would be all over Apple Music.
Our situation is like this: We have active family sharing in my family and I am the Master of the Universe and my wife is the other adult. We have only small kids so no one else in our Apple Family. So we share my credit card. That is all cool.
But with Apple Music we would like to "extend" our family to include my dad and my brother. We are all adults and live on our own. And my dad would be cool to pay for Apple Music for all of us. But he is for sure not cool to pay for my apps and my wifes Hayday diamonds and whatever my brother decides to buy.
I think our extended family is still a family, but Apples strict 1 credit card policy really makes it impossible us (or at least very difficult). Or maybe some one have a solution for us that I'm not aware of?
I have an unlimited Spotify accound (so I pay 5€/month) and my brother pays for unlimited (10€).. So I guess it seems that we need to wait for Spotify to give a better Family deal and just skip Apple Music.
Do your father and brother live in the same house as you? However its defined, I think the best definition is really household rather than family. Think of the physical equivalent of a CD. If you bought a CD, it would remain in the house, and anyone living in the house would be able to listen to it.
You would never be able to go into a store, buy a CD, and ask them for a couple of other copies for your brother and father's houses.
Yes and that is the very problem of Family Sharing for us. So apparently it's Spotify for us, which has been serving us well so far. We just have very Apple household with macs, iphones, ipad, apple tv etc. So it just would make sense to have Apple Music also. But oh well..
I understand your point, but I feel like the fact that you had to use a technology that has largely been replaced by better, digital technology undermines your argument.
I mean I get it, I just think it's a bad system. Even people living in the same household can have financial independence so I don't see why it's so restrictive.
We all live on our own, and yes you are probably correct. Apple probably more likely mean a household with the family. And we are on a "gray area" with our extended family.
But the problem still exists with families that have more adult children. Before I moved away from my parents I had my own money, even a credit card and paid for all my music and games etc.
So I think there should be a possibility that other adult members in the Family Sharing "group" could pay with their own credit card if they want to (not just gift cards).
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As cmChimera said: financial independence is the correct term.
People should be able to share some purchases (like Apple Music) and pay themselves for others (with gift cards, credit card or whatever way). It's very old idea that there is only one person in the family with the money..
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I don't think it does - I think there is still an equivalence. I think the point of the family sharing (with the music) is that it seems a little unfair for everyone in a house to have to pay separately for music, because they would never have had to do that with CDs.
But I don't think it is unreasonable for different people living in different properties to have to pay separately for music, because they always would have had to before.
Even with modest use, streaming is incredibly good value for us consumers compared to buying music, so I really don't get the comments throughout these threads about it being expensive, or about Apple trying to screw money out of them.
I think your analogy is an excellent one. Family Sharing is best thought of as household sharing, not something that's designed for extended family (third cousin once-removed, aunt's boyfriend, etc.).
A more up-to-date example would be the Home Sharing feature in iTunes.
Is sharing a credit card common in the US? I can't imagine a whole family pays everything from one single bank account.
If you have to share a credit card to use the family sharing feature the whole talking in the keynote was just dumb false advertising again.
If you have to share a credit card to use the family sharing feature the whole talking in the keynote was just dumb false advertising again.
There is no doubt in my mind that Beats 1 is worldwide. However I've seen conflicting reports that Beats 1 will actually be permanently free. Subscription or not. Apple own it outright after-all.
The actual music streaming may have a staggered launch though due to all the licensing problems.
You have a point and I'm not saying Apple is trying to screw money out of me.
My critics mostly goes to the Family Sharing and it's 1 pays all system.
Even without extending the family outside the household there would be many cases where it would make sense that the other adults in the family wants to pay for something sometimes..
(Case: Movie rentals. 'You paid last time, so this one is on me'.. Or similar cases.)
And the other point of our complain is that in our case (with the extended family) Spotify gives a better family deal. So by tying the Family plan to Family Sharing might lose few customers who would otherwise want to subscribe. But maybe it's just me.
No. I'd venture to guess that almost no one can hear a difference between 256 and 320 (I don't want to say no one because there's probably at least one person somewhere on earth who can). There might be some people who can hear a difference between 256/320 and lossless but the percent is so low that it's likely just a fraction of a percent.
There is evidence that teenage and college age individuals prefer CD "lossless" over 128 kbps at 70% rate (Olive, S. E. (2012, April). Some New Evidence that Teenagers and College Students May Prefer Accurate Sound Reproduction. In Audio Engineering Society Convention 132. Audio Engineering Society.)
Preference likely remains up to 192 kpbs for many people but not beyond that (Pras, A., Zimmerman, R., Levitin, D., & Guastavino, C. (2009, October). Subjective evaluation of mp3 compression for different musical genres. In Audio Engineering Society Convention 127. Audio Engineering Society.)
Both of those studies looked at preference and not necessarily distinguishing between bit rates but beyond 192kbps, there's no scientific evidence that people in general prefer compressed versus lossless.
I gotcha. But even if I were to concede it's fair for Apple Music, Family sharing encompasses ALL digital purchases and not just Apple Music. Even for a household, it's overly restrictive to force one person to pay for everything, even in situations where it's not practical.
You don't necessarily have to force one person to pay... Just have some one to buy an iTunes Gift Card if they would like to pay for that given time period.
I have iTunes Match shared upon my family... I've had it for years, but last two occasions... My sister bought an iTunes Gift Card to pay for the subscription.
That wasn't really aimed at you - just generally there have been a few comments along those lines throughout the various threads on Apple Music.
This is a horrible analogy. You would never be able to go into a store, buy a CD, and ask them for a couple of other copies for your brother and father who live in the same house as you. But you can with Apple Music. So there's your analogy out the window right there. It simply doesn't work because, as someone else pointed out, CDs are antiquated technology that has been superseded. It was a completely different business model back then, where you had one physical copy. With streaming, this whole one copy thing doesn't really work. You have a copy on all your devices already, which you couldn't have gotten with CDs (you can't go in, and be like: well I have a walkman, a home stereo, and a car stereo, can I get 3 copies of this for the price of 1?) As much as you may want to find an analogy there, there's already too many differences in the business model for it to work.
FWIW, I agree with everyone else, the concept of Family Sharing is very limited in scope, and it really annoys me that they bundled some of the really cool iCloud family stuff (shared calendar, photo stream, location) with the iTunes family stuff, so it has to be one credit card even though I'm financially independent from my parents.