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You can say what you want, put all of the capital "PERIOD"s in there, however, .AT&T does not have a nationwide rollout of VOLTE. Verizon beat AT&T and the data speeds should be LTE speeds, essentially. Whatever you think about this "gimmick" Verizon beat AT&T to a nationwide rollout.

Now you can "explain" it one more time.

No that you made a fool of yourself, reread what i wrote and address it rather than repeating very irrelevant verizon propaganda.

No, I won't explain it again, educate yourself!
 
Eh... verizon is the first one to do it with LTE. AT&T had it with 3G because it's a GSM network unlike Verizon's CDMA. And no, the second iPhone wasn't capable. Get your facts straight before mocking something online. It could prevent you only from "looking" (not being) stupid.

Sir, you should not mock others facts when you are dead wrong as it is very embarrassing for you. The 2nd iPhone was the iPhone 3G on AT&T which was GSM 3G network and supported voice and data simultaneously. You may want to edit your post so you don't resemble it.

This link on Apples website shows you that 3G supports Voice and Data simultaneously
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1976

This link documents that the 3G iphone from 2008 supports 3G ( simultaneous voice and data)
http://ipod.about.com/od/decidingwhichipodtobuy/a/iphone_chart.htm

And for the record, I could not care less if Verizon is the first to offer it over LTE. I never said they weren't because I don't know. AT&T offers it but it really doesn't matter to me Verizon has never had it on the iPhone and that was always a deal breaker.
 
Wow, a lot of angry people and comments, to complete strangers. If people get this worked up over silly tech, it's no wonder humanity can't come together or disagree civilly.
 
I am not uninformed. GSM is superior to CDMA in 2014. I understand that maybe 15 years ago when they decided to move forward with CDMA they thought it was the best choice at the time. Smartphones owners nowadays expect data and voice at the same time. ATT/T-mobile have been able to provide this to customers for a long time now.

How Is it superior now? VoLTE is activated nationwide on Verizon. AT&T is not even close. Now that voice+data is not exclusive to your precious carrier, what else can you bring to the table?
 
So iPhones on Verizon, until NOW, have not been able to do voice and data at the same time?

thats crazy. why are people even on that network. Ive been doing that on tmobile for years, before the iphone too

Not to bash on you by any means, since this thread has turned pretty aggressive, but the reason Verizon is #1 in the United States is because their network is over the top. Data speeds on LTE are crazy fast and you won't have as many drop calls or signal loss as you may with the other 3 carriers. Customer Service is top notch! That right there is a deciding factor for me. Calling 611 and knowing the person that's in the other end of the call do like what they do for a living and actually helps out. I'm glad I switch to them long ago. Signal is always 5, sometimes 4 on LTE. I've haven't seen my signal dots on my iPhone below 3. Ever. And I travel at least 3-4 times a month out of state. Verizon fits well the "you get what you pay for" slogan.
 
No iPhone exists that allows voice + LTE. 5 & 5S dropped back to 3G for data during voice calls, 6 either drops back or uses VoLTE (which is data).

Android phones can do simultaneous Voice + LTE, Apple chose not to support this function (hardware limitation), not the carrier.

And your point? I don't think anyone said it did. I certainly didn't. Everyone was pointing out that the Verizon iPhone did not support voice and data simultaneous and the AT&T iPhone did (6+ years ago).

Wrong forum for Android trivia. No one here cares unless they are trolling to bash Apple.

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No. Do you think it should? I certainly don't.

Probably not since it's just giving Verizon iPhone users the same feature AT&T iPhone users have had forever. I know that currently in many cities AT&T uses 3G/4G (not LTE) for the Voice/Data simultaneously. Its the point of having the ability to do both, not whether it can do LTE. Verizon's antiquated fallback network (CDMA) would not support it with the iPhone. The point of the announcement was to bring to everyone attention that they finally support it using VoLTE.
 
And your point? I don't think anyone said it did. I certainly didn't. Everyone was pointing out that the Verizon iPhone did not support voice and data simultaneous and the AT&T iPhone did (6+ years ago).

Wrong forum for Android trivia. No one here cares unless they are trolling to bash Apple.
Most people, even on this forum, are unaware that the iPhone is not capable of Voice+LTE, I was simply pointing that out. Most smartphone manufacturers have included the hardware necessary for voice + data on CDMA networks but Apple didn't.

Pointing out a fact about an Apple product is not bashing. You know, its possible for a person to be critical of a product without being a hater, right?
 
Considering Android phones have had this for a while, it really was Apple that was slow to the game. Just sayin'

Considering the first Android phone was released after the date the person you quoted, Android was the one that was late...
 
Most people, even on this forum, are unaware that the iPhone is not capable of Voice+LTE, I was simply pointing that out. Most smartphone manufacturers have included the hardware necessary for voice + data on CDMA networks but Apple didn't.

Pointing out a fact about an Apple product is not bashing. You know, its possible for a person to be critical of a product without being a hater, right?

Understood. I do think the iPhone 6 does support VoLTE.
 
No - you are incredibly wrong and you don't understand what is making this possible - nor do you even understand VoLTE with the other stuff you're spouting off about.

There are not multiple antennas to do this in the iphone. Voice and Data is only possible on Verizon iphone 6 while on an LTE call. It is not possible on 3G. It's because the voice is handled as a data connection, thus truly only using data. There are not 2 antenna runs. You're speaking of SVDO setups on Android phones, which are being abandoned because they don't function with phones that support Carrier Aggregation - such as the iphone 6.

Also, VoLTE is putting voice over a data connection. Period. You don't need to call another VoLTE phone to do it - there's no way for the phone to know what you're calling to initiate that call. VoLTE works no matter who you are calling, anywhere in the world. Just as UMTS works no matter who you are calling. Just as VOIP works when calling landlines or cell phones. The only thing that doesn't work - per se - is the HD Voice aspect, which is the trade name for the voice codec, which is AMR-WB. That much requires an intra-carrier call.

Finally - the "Voice & Data" selection is only in relation to LTE - hence, it's a choice that needs to be made under "Enable LTE".

Actually, you DO need to call another VoLTE capable phone for VoLTE to work. I work at Verizon. I know.
 
I just called my home line and could surf at the same time. Wifi was off at the time. You can do VoLTE to a landline. Try it.
 
Understood. I do think the iPhone 6 does support VoLTE.

Yep. It does. :)

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I just called my home line and could surf at the same time. Wifi was off at the time. You can do VoLTE to a landline. Try it.

That's not VoLTE. Man there's a lot of confusion about what it actually is. haha. Not you're fault though. VoLTE, or HD calling, only works from one VoLTE capable phone to another. Browsing the web while on a call is a different subject and has nothing to do with VoLTE.
 
Understood. I do think the iPhone 6 does support VoLTE.
It does. But as quoted below, it only works when connected to another VoLTE device. :rolleyes:

I wonder if it is a Verizon thing or a VoLTE thing.
Actually, you DO need to call another VoLTE capable phone for VoLTE to work. I work at Verizon. I know.
I wonder if this will ever change. I'd like all my calls to use VoLTE, heck, I'd settle for WiFi calling....finally get nice strong signal in the basement. :cool:
 
Actually, you DO need to call another VoLTE capable phone for VoLTE to work. I work at Verizon. I know.

Actually. No you don't. Time to get a new job. Once again, VoLTE is only the carriage of voice over LTE. You can call anyone with it. It's moving voice from circuit switched networks to packet switched, amongst other things over your head; and it has literally nothing to do with what is in use at your target.

HD Voice is the trade name of the codec in use. It has nothing to do with VoLTE other than the fact VoLTE uses it. HD Voice, which is AMR-WB, works on UMTS and GSM - circuit switched networks. T-Mobile has them deployed today on both. Has had them deployed almost 2 years now. No VoLTE required.

It does. But as quoted below, it only works when connected to another VoLTE device. :rolleyes:

I wonder if it is a Verizon thing or a VoLTE thing.

I wonder if this will ever change. I'd like all my calls to use VoLTE, heck, I'd settle for WiFi calling....finally get nice strong signal in the basement. :cool:

He's also incorrect. You can call anyone with it. It's just a new network to carry a call. It's a full replacement to how calls are routed today with no limitations on use so network operators can shut down legacy and refarm spectrum.
 
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Actually. No you don't. Time to get a new job. Once again, VoLTE is only the carriage of voice over LTE. You can call anyone with it. It's moving voice from circuit switched networks to packet switched, amongst other things over your head; and it has literally nothing to do with what is in use at your target.



He's also incorrect. You can call anyone with it. It's just a new network to carry a call. It's a full replacement to how calls are routed today with no limitations on use so network operators can shut down legacy and refarm spectrum.

Again, no. you are wrong. You need two VoLTE capable phones in order for the HD calls to work. It's not that complicated.

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It does. But as quoted below, it only works when connected to another VoLTE device. :rolleyes:

I wonder if it is a Verizon thing or a VoLTE thing.

I wonder if this will ever change. I'd like all my calls to use VoLTE, heck, I'd settle for WiFi calling....finally get nice strong signal in the basement. :cool:

It will change once there are more VoLTE capable phones, which more than likely most new phones coming out will probably support it. Honestly, don't listen to the people on here that have no idea what they are talking about. Right now, there are only four VoLTE capable phones with Verizon. The LG G2, Galaxy S5, and the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.
 
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Again, no. you are wrong. You need two VoLTE capable phones in order for the HD calls to work. It's not that complicated.

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It will change once there are more VoLTE capable phones, which more than likely most new phones coming out will probably support it. Honestly, don't listen to the people on here that have no idea what they are talking about. Right now, there are only four VoLTE capable phones with Verizon. The LG G2, Galaxy S5, and the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

Dude, just stop. You couldn't be more wrong and all you're doing is confusing people by continuing. You don't even know the difference between VoLTE and HD Voice. Here's a starting point: they're 2 separate things, not related.

HD Voice is a codec. It digitizes your voice for transmission. It is AMR-WB, and it works on GSM (2G), and UMTS (3G). It has a CDMA equivalent, VMR-WB that works on 1x Advanced. It's been deployed for almost 2 years in the US alone. In order to complete an HD Voice call, you need 2 HD Voice capable devices in a supported deployment. For Verizon, this is solely on LTE.

Wideband audio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wideband_audio

VoLTE is only, repeat only, the carriage of voice over LTE. It is meant to replace all former technologies. It is not limited to only being able to call other LTE devices. The calls go out as normal. It was developed to be better on data usage than VOIP, optimized for LTE; to maintain QoS so that voice calls take precedence over data calls; and to have a common IMS core to allow it to compete with OTT VOIP. To complete a VoLTE call, you need LTE coverage and a device that supports VoLTE... And you can call *anyone*
 
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That's hilarious to me people used to not be able to do voice and data in 2014. I have been doing that since my first iPhone 6 years ago.
 
Let me make it simple.
VoLTE works on the iPhone 6 on Verizon.
You can use it to make calls to Landlines, normal cell phones, etc.

It however does NOT enable HD Voice unless calling another VoLTE enabled VZW headset.

So long story short, all of us with the iPhone 6 can make VoLTE calls today, right now, to any other phone out there. We can only make HD Voice calls when on VoLTE and calling another VoLTE headset.

Get it?
-Shaown
 
Yep. It does. :)

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That's not VoLTE. Man there's a lot of confusion about what it actually is. haha. Not you're fault though. VoLTE, or HD calling, only works from one VoLTE capable phone to another. Browsing the web while on a call is a different subject and has nothing to do with VoLTE.
Prior to VoLTE, the call went over the old network and you could not surf and talk at the same time. So how would you explain why now it works?

My thought was now the call is going over the LTE network, thus surfing and talking are allowed simultaneously, since Apple didn't add the extra antenna that disallowed it before. Now HD Voice seems to be in addition and needs to have both sides to allow.

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Let me make it simple.
VoLTE works on the iPhone 6 on Verizon.
You can use it to make calls to Landlines, normal cell phones, etc.

It however does NOT enable HD Voice unless calling another VoLTE enabled VZW headset.

So long story short, all of us with the iPhone 6 can make VoLTE calls today, right now, to any other phone out there. We can only make HD Voice calls when on VoLTE and calling another VoLTE headset.

Get it?
-Shaown
Exactly. I'm thinking we're the ones understanding and not the employee. Not taking a shot at him/her but I'm thinking we're correct.
 
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Dude, just stop. You couldn't be more wrong and all you're doing is confusing people by continuing. You don't even know the difference between VoLTE and HD Voice. Here's a starting point: they're 2 separate things, not related.

HD Voice is a codec. It digitizes your voice for transmission. It is AMR-WB, and it works on GSM (2G), and UMTS (3G). It has a CDMA equivalent, VMR-WB that works on 1x Advanced. It's been deployed for almost 2 years in the US alone. In order to complete an HD Voice call, you need 2 HD Voice capable devices in a supported deployment. For Verizon, this is solely on LTE.

Wideband audio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wideband_audio

VoLTE is only, repeat only, the carriage of voice over LTE. It is meant to replace all former technologies. It is not limited to only being able to call other LTE devices. The calls go out as normal. It was developed to be better on data usage than VOIP, optimized for LTE; to maintain QoS so that voice calls take precedence over data calls; and to have a common IMS core to allow it to compete with OTT VOIP. To complete a VoLTE call, you need LTE coverage and a device that supports VoLTE... And you can call *anyone*[/QUOTE
 
Actually, I'm right. How about you stop confusing people? You can not do VoLTE unless it's between two VoLTE capable phones. That's why they actually list which ones are capable of it. I never said you couldn't make any phone call with them. Sure you can call other phones. I never said you couldn't. You can't, however, do VoLTE without another VoLTE phone on the other end. So now that you are changing what you said a little, we can see that you are learning but are too proud to admit you were wrong.
Please explain why on a 5s that when you make a call that the network shown on the upper left is not LTE during the call, and you can not surf or receive iMessages during the call, but on the 6 it shows LTE during the call and you can surf. This is all to a landline.

My theory is that the call is now traveling over the LTE network, voice over LTE.

What's your explanation?
 
Prior to VoLTE, the call went over the old network and you could not surf and talk at the same time. So how would you explain why now it works?

My thought was now the call is going over the LTE network, thus surfing and talking are allowed simultaneously, since Apple didn't add the extra antenna that disallowed it before. Now HD Voice seems to be in addition and needs to have both sides to allow.

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Exactly. I'm thinking we're the ones understanding and not the employee. Not taking a shot at him/her but I'm thinking we're correct.

Dude, we did training for this. I know I'm right. VoLTE will only work on the Verizon network between two VoLTE phones, regardless of what you say or think. It's the way it is now because it's in testing phases right now. Not everyone can do it, and for good reason. You don't understand that we have a CDMA network, apparently. With LTE in most places as well as 3G, which is CDMA on our network, there will be dropped calls if someone leaves LTE on a VoLTE enabled phone. Because of that and the testing of it to make it more reliable for the broader base of customers, per our training it will only work between two VoLTE phones that know that call quality may actually be less than normal. I'm out of here. Too much ignorance.
 
Dude, we did training for this. I know I'm right. VoLTE will only work on the Verizon network between two VoLTE phones, regardless of what you say or think. It's the way it is now because it's in testing phases right now. Not everyone can do it, and for good reason. You don't understand that we have a CDMA network, apparently. With LTE in most places as well as 3G, which is CDMA on our network, there will be dropped calls if someone leaves LTE on a VoLTE enabled phone. Because of that and the testing of it to make it more reliable for the broader base of customers, per our training it will only work between two VoLTE phones that know that call quality may actually be less than normal. I'm out of here. Too much ignorance.
Hi. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I actually think you're wrong. See my previous post.

Why does it now show LTE for the network during a call to a landline, when it never did before?

Why can I surf and talk during a call to a landline, when it never did before?

Try it.

Just simply trying too understand what changed. Please explain.
 
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