Lol- are you kidding me???
Looks like a terrible blur job on photoshop.
https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_GooglePixel2.jpg
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Single-Lens Google Pixel 2 Camera Takes Top Spot From iPhone 8 Plus in DxO Labs Tests
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Lol- are you kidding me???
Looks like a terrible blur job on photoshop.
https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref2_Bokeh-Outdoor_GooglePixel2.jpg
None of this matters, as most idiots take pictures with fingerprint smudged lenses anyway. That's going to be a much bigger problem for the Note 8, thanks to the terrible placement of the fingerprint sensor. Though, in all reality, I doubt many Note 8 users even use them, as nobody using Android knows anything about security.
DxO review from 2025:
"The Pixel XX camera had excellent color reproduction, superb resolution. The new Time Zoom allowed us to take photos for events that have yet to occur, but we're not convinced this isn't just another Google gimmick."
DxO Mark Mobile Score: INFINITY
"The Pixel XX camera had excellent color reproduction, superb resolution. The new Time Zoom allowed us to take photos for events that have yet to occur, but we're not convinced this isn't just another Google gimmick."
DxO Mark Mobile Score: INFINITY
The difference will be in low light telephoto pictures :
In good light, pixel count is the most relevant parameter, so the phone choose to use the 12MP tele module instead of the 3MP crop of the wide angle module.
In low light, with iPhone 8+, the amount of light captured is the most important parameter to IQ, so sensor size, aperture and image stabilization are the relevant parameters. In this case, if you do the comparison, the WA crop is 1/6" sensor, f/1.8 stabilized lens, whereas the tele is 1/3.6" sensor, f/2.8 non stabilized lens. Even if stab is mediocre (half a stop), in definitive, the WA cropped still capture about 1/3 stop more light and the phone automatically switch to the WA module.
With iPhone X, the brighter aperture and the stab make the tele module always capture more light than the cropped WA (about 2/3 stop), so the phone will likely never switch to WA in 2x zoom scenario.
May be so it can also have an impact on the noise mark.
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Because the end user is incapable of making a decision between quality and file size?
Yeah, I get that a lot of people don’t ever delve into settings. But not everyone is as uneducated as you’d assume.
To limit the quality produced based solely on the fact that a default option is used is bad form, particularly when better quality is achievable from the device.
A site such as in question should be looking to achieve the best possible quality for any device they test, regardless of brand or device type. Otherwise their testing methodology is flawed and questionable at best.
They call themselves “the reference for image quality”, well if that’s the case, then test any device based on its maximum possible quality. Otherwise it’s not “the reference for image quality”.
But this one is very good:
https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ref1_Bokeh-Indoor_GooglePixel2-e1506967768712.jpg
And it's clearly better than the iPhone.
All computational bokeh methods have flukes and failures, including Apple's. I've seen trainwreck bokeh done by iPhones too. The algorithms they use can be thrown off by some minor detail.
You just re-take the shot, perhaps change the angle a little bit. On my phone (P9) sometimes I can fix it by changing the focus point and the aperture effect, sometimes I just retake the shot and it works fine the second time.
It ain't as good as a DSLR, but I'm impressed with what modern smartphones have achieved so quickly.
Look at the detail around this lady’s head.
Neither identifies her hair or what should and shouldn’t be in focus perfectly, but I know which I prefer.
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Ok, but i thought that the tele lens is part of the mechanizm that helps with creating the shallow DOF.. so it isnt?
Plus, if you compare the detail on the blouse, it's night and day. It's like the iPhone didn't focus properly, although her face does look in focus. I don't understand how it lost so much detail.
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Yes, it is, according to what Apple has been saying. Not sure why you're asking me that?
The tele lens is part of it by providing a second point of view.
Dual pixel with phase detection can do the same and create a depth map. (Dual pixel for two points of view, and phase detection for depth, which is also use for AF calculation). Obviously, you loose much of the zoom ability.
I ask you because im not sure... and if so, it has to have some upsides opposed to phone cameras that dont use a second tele lens and only simulate shallow DOF.. no?
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Ok now its clear. Yes i indeed need tele lens for zooming so its crucial.
For artificial bokeh you need to build some type of a depth map. Apple does it with its second narrow-angle lens (it's not really a "telephoto", and it's not a "zoom" either, being fixed angle), Google said they do it somehow through the sensor structure, Huawei does it with the second monochrome lens (same angle).
Interestingly, since Huawei started putting higher resolution monochrome sensors (20MP mono, 12MP color), if you choose to shoot at the color MP resolution, you can do lossless zoom up to the other resolution. Pretty neat.
I'm curious to see the solution on the Mate 10. Less than two weeks to go!
I remember a time when apple released products, they blew everyone else out of the water and they sold for a premium price.
Now they seem happy to be second best and still sell at a premium price. Sitting on technology until they are forced to keep up.
Now they seem happy to be second best and still sell at a premium price. Sitting on technology until they are forced to keep up.
Have you heard Apple mention anything when they got top score ? Isn’t weird that Pixel is the only phone from the top spots that had been tested before it was even announced?
So are fandroids that said apple paid for that score also gonna say that google paid a lot for that score?
Good to see the Apple champions here on the other hand clearly rise above such silly and unsubstantiated claims.
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Now getting seriously salty on here when just a mere two weeks ago, people were celebrating DxO.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/22/dxomark-iphone-8-plus-best-smartphone-camera/
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I have issues with their testing process, always have. Been more of a fan of the method and procedures The_Digital_Picture, and DPReview use to test cameras and UI.
DXO completely missed the incredible lens flair issue in the original pixel, something that I see quite often from shots on that camera. Their scoring also relies too much on subjective data, rather than facts. While I agree that photography is more emotional and feeling, they are supposed to be “The reference for image quality”, aren’t they?
Would honestly love to see Displaymate get into testing camera image sensors.
DXO completely missed the incredible lens flair issue in the original pixel, something that I see quite often from shots on that camera. Their scoring also relies too much on subjective data, rather than facts. While I agree that photography is more emotional and feeling, they are supposed to be “The reference for image quality”, aren’t they?
Would honestly love to see Displaymate get into testing camera image sensors.
I get what you’re saying, but I promise that average users will be fine with either. My iPhone photos are perfectly fine, including my cat in the evening and my kid while running. Soccer Moms, grandparents, and my plumber all feel the same. On the other hand, Siri is a joke compared to the state of Google’s AI which is fully baked into their phone. This is the future. This is what will really differentiate mobile devices, not whose camera is 4% better.
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Dat's a reaallly nice web site ya got there. Sure would be a shame if sumpin should happen to da traffic...just sayin'.So are fandroids that said apple paid for that score also gonna say that google paid a lot for that score?
They wouldn't have to pay a penny.
hahaha DxO is so laughable. trying to make themselves seem like the experts when all it is, is just another person's opinion of what looks good. its so sad that you have a ratings scale that apparently has no ceiling...if you have no ceiling then how can anything be judged or compared. They are excite to see someone break that 100 barrier. Ridiculous.
Sorry but no matter how perfect the image quality, taking all images in wide angle disqualifies the camera for me. After having a 2x optical lens that nearly matches the human eye in focal length and field of view, I can't go back. Samsung and Apple beat the Pixel in this regard and that makes their cameras superior.