iBluetooth
macrumors 6502a
Yes, exactly what surprises me. They don't weight bokey high?
Single-Lens Google Pixel 2 Camera Takes Top Spot From iPhone 8 Plus in DxO Labs Tests
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Hustler1337
macrumors 68000
To all those who are saying Google, Apple, Samsung et al. are paying DxO for a favourable score - there's not yet been one conclusive evidence to back up these claims. It's pure speculation. Seems like there's people out there who don't like seeing other devices get praise above their own choices and instead throw cheap accusations of 'they've been bribed'.
Many manufacturers, not exclusive to tech, hand out review units pre-release under an NDA. How do you think some top reviewers got their hands on the iPhone 8 / 8 Plus and were able to show you unboxing videos before it was released? And how were a lot of them able to release the reviews immediately on release day? Apple clearly gave them some test units for reviews and permitted them to release unboxing videos before release and release their reviews on release day to create interest.
It's a common marketing technique adopted across the industry to generate hype and interest.
It's not weird. In fact, it's more common than you think. Google clearly released test units to DxO for them to issue their verdict and DxO Mark score so that the score was ready to be announced and marketed at the keynote. It's more advantageous to boast about how great something is at a keynote and have evidence to support your claims than wait a few weeks until reviews start coming out when the hype starts to die down.
Many manufacturers, not exclusive to tech, hand out review units pre-release under an NDA. How do you think some top reviewers got their hands on the iPhone 8 / 8 Plus and were able to show you unboxing videos before it was released? And how were a lot of them able to release the reviews immediately on release day? Apple clearly gave them some test units for reviews and permitted them to release unboxing videos before release and release their reviews on release day to create interest.
It's a common marketing technique adopted across the industry to generate hype and interest.
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The iPhone X only improves on the telephoto. That is used a fraction of the time. Nothing special over the 8. The sense used 99.9% of the time is the sensor of concern.It isn’t the best yet as the iPhone X isn’t even out yet so let’s wait and see, as for Apple being stupid you are so wrong, the camera team at Apple do some great work, the bokeh effect on the 7 Plus is a great feature that I use a lot. Let’s just see when all these phones are out before we start saying anyone is the best
adamjackson
macrumors 68020
Aren't these phones all using Sony sensors so the intricate details are in the software implementation, right? So whoever throws more money at something will have the best camera, no?
Nope, what I said is the reality. What you suggest would be cool merely for entertainment of the mind in seeing how the other format did. You test based on the most used, not the absolute best a phone could do if used in such a way that 99.9% of users do not. In your thinking they should extract the RAW image and compare that.
It was tested appropriately, and keep in mind I’m an Apple fan so don’t cry that I’m for google or android. I’m only for reality, and this is it.
And let's remember that DxO is just one reviewer, not the source of truth.
I agree, just saying there are differences, and distinct ones if you watch comparisons.
TrueBlou
macrumors 601
I couldn’t care less who buys what, I have iOS and Android myself. But if you’re going to claim to be a reference for image quality and you’re purposefully hindering the quality of a device. Then you’re results are not to be trusted.
No “reference” point is what the average user uses, it’s the best quality achievable, no matter the medium. Plain and simple. Would you consider 128kbps MP3 to be an acceptable reference point for audio? I’d certainly hope not.
elvislives
macrumors 6502
Well that was a very biased review, I the DOF is crap on the Pixel 2...
cupcakes2000
macrumors 601
Do you have a link for some proof on this because I’m fairly sure that HEIF is at least the same quality at half the file size, and better quality at a matched file size.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-thoroughly-reviewed/11/#h1
https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/heif/
Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
Ok I’ll bite, what Apple products blew everyone else out of the water? I can’t think of one where someone else didn’t have specs that beat it.I remember a time when apple released products, they blew everyone else out of the water and they sold for a premium price.
Now they seem happy to be second best and still sell at a premium price. Sitting on technology until they are forced to keep up.
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I did think it was interesting to see a review & score right after the phones were announced. That’s one thing I like about Ars Technica. They’re rarely the first to review anything. They don’t care about being first or getting exclusives from tech companies.
deanthedev
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So it got a high DxOMark score.
Too bad the rest of the phone doesn’t match up. This will be another sales failure like last years Pixel.
Too bad the rest of the phone doesn’t match up. This will be another sales failure like last years Pixel.
At the Aperture the phone is attempting to reproduce, more of her features would be blurred, and there wouldn’t be such a sharp cut-off. Honestly with some selective image tuning (sometimes as simple as adjusting the brightness slider before a shot), the sensors on these phones can take really good Depth shots without needing to have the in camera software enhance it.
Yes, both could used to be retouched a little in Snapseed, but, the phone does a decent job without assistance. These were taken with a standard iPhone 7. And yes, I do like taking pictures of beer for some odd reason.
Most also don’t handle points of light (background) in the way a Mirrorless or SLR will, so the backgrounds my be blurry, but they also lack some of the effect aperature blades can produce from a dedicated camera.
Curious, what is your issue with the rest of the phone?
I have to agree the design is conservitive (which I personally like), but specs inside it aren’t much different than the competitors.
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Kabeyun
macrumors 68040
Having a good camera is fine, and arguably necessary these days. But the Google phone is really a vehicle for their AI, which is deeply integrated right down to the earbuds. After that, it’s pretty vanilla. It may be a sales failure but I think AI is the future of mobile (which is why Apple had better get their act together in this area) and this phone is an interesting salvo in that battle. iPhone, imo, is still a better product but Apple should take notice.
TrueBlou
macrumors 601
Well the first one off the top of my head, would be the recent AppleInsider comparison.
"Despite the huge storage savings, image quality left a bit to be desired. Taking a close look at each set of images, we saw that the new high efficiency format loses detail, especially in low-light shots. Compared to JPEG files, detail and color looked smudged and smeared."
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/10/04/watch-heif-vs-jpeg-on-iphone-8-compared
And as I'm inclined not to believe everything that's written anywhere. My own eyes, with my own iPhone and my own computer and my own TV.
It's pretty easy for you to try it yourself. The HEIF format is pretty good, it'll eventually replace JPEG for me, but not quite yet, it needs more work. Of course if you're only ever viewing on a phone or other relatively small screen, you'll struggle to see a difference.
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Sure, Apple does it a little differently, giving devices to official testers after the announcement and NDA usually ends at the time of iPhones being shipped to the customers. The problem with Google hype over DxO ranking is that it rises a question of manipulating camera performance to meet exact DxO requirements because all ‘tests’ were done before Pixel was announced and got hands on by others.
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scaramoosh
macrumors 6502a
Good to see the Apple champions here on the other hand clearly rise above such silly and unsubstantiated claims.
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Now getting seriously salty on here when just a mere two weeks ago, people were celebrating DxO.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/22/dxomark-iphone-8-plus-best-smartphone-camera/
I don’t care what they give the iPhone, I’m not bothered about defending a multi billion dollar corporation.
I’m just stating what we all know, they’re corrupt.
bladerunner2000
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People are obsessed with posting photos of every mundane daily activity on social media only to convince everyone they have a life instead of actually living their lives.
Hustler1337
macrumors 68000
Again, that's speculation just like the idea that they were bribing DxO for the scores. If they were manipulating the performance, doesn't it raise the question as to why Google would choose to then reduce its performance on the mass-produced units? Apart from maybe slowing camera performance down to speed up non-camera related processes, what else could they do to reduce it's performance down? The hardware is still there, and if anything, you'd think Google would look to improve it further with software.
However, if you're saying that they've also manipulated or specifically engineered the hardware for DxO, then i'm sure they can be reverified by DxO post-release. But again, why would Google risk heavy penalties for misleading consumers and bad publicity because of this supposed stunt.
Bottom line is, DxO is only one reviewer of many and the ultimate review will come from yourself.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
“Paid” yes, by Apple or Google, no. Well, maybe by Google, but not in the “give us a good score” way. More like a “if we write that this camera is the best, we are going to get SOOOOOO many clicks!” ad revenue payout way.
At this point, WHATEVER score they give the iPhone X will likely receive a similar number of hits.
Kabeyun
macrumors 68040
You’re throwing around phrases like “we all know” and “pretty known.” What you really mean is “believed by me” but that doesn’t have quite the same ring to it. I know we live in a post-fact world but without compelling evidence of DxO’s corruption, you shouldn’t represent your gut feeling as any sort of consensus. If you have this evidence, please post it, otherwise you’re welcome to believe what you personally believe regardless.
TrueBlou
macrumors 601
I’ve never really grasped the concept of why we (I say we, I don’t use social media outside of work, I leave that nonsense to the wife) have to see endless photos of different pouts or what someone is eating. Really a plate of food? ffs.
Though I am considering sticking one of mine on Facebook or somewhere, only because I got a photo of a caterpillar I’ve never seen before when I was hillwalking and I’m curious as to what it is. I don’t think I object to the sharing of knowledge via social media, that seems like a decent use for it.
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pat500000
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Based on your comment, it looks like Tim didn't pay enough, right?