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Try asking it “what’s the temperature going to be in 2 hours?” It’ll reply with the temperature at 2pm tomorrow.

If you ask it "What is the temperature going to be in 2 hours from now?" it works right. The potential is there. But they have a bit of work to do yet.
 
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I’m concerned by the casual mention that Siri will be LLM based. That’s priming it for failure. I’m ready for all the complaints of hallucinations and getting things wrong.
 
Siri doesn't always recognize my voice, but if I'm watching TV and a character says "serious", "seriously", "slightly" or something like that, she lights right up. :rolleyes:
That's on the fault of the TV production. They should be doing it so that doesn't happen, NFL figured it out with their "Hey Siri" commercials. never once activates mine
 
If you ask it "What is the temperature going to be in 2 hours from now?" it works right. The potential is there. But they have a bit of work to do yet.
Maybe in the next 15 years they'll get is sorted out.

At first, I thought maybe Siri interpreted "2 hours" as military time. But that doesn't make sense for 2pm, that's 14 hours.
 


New Siri lead Mike Rockwell is overhauling the Siri management team in order to step up development on Apple Intelligence features, reports Bloomberg. He is demoting or replacing the managers who previously worked on Siri after the Apple Intelligence features demonstrated at WWDC 2024 failed to launch as expected.

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Rockwell, who worked on the Vision Pro software, took over the Siri team in March, with former Siri chief John Giannandrea being reassigned to artificial intelligence research. Rockwell is replacing Siri managers with members of the Vision Pro software group, while also restructuring Siri teams that handle speech, understanding, performance, and user experience.

Longtime Vision Pro engineering lead Ranjit Desai will oversee Siri engineering, including the platform and systems groups. Vision Pro senior director Olivier Gutknecht will lead the team that designs the Siri user experience, and Vision Pro engineering director Nate Begeman and Core OS senior director Tom Duffy will work on Siri's underlying architecture.

Employees were told that the management overhaul would help Apple reach its Siri development goals, as the additions to the team are considered some of Apple's top software engineering talent, according to Bloomberg.

Rockwell is still overseeing the development of visionOS while he works on Siri, while the Vision Pro hardware team continues to report to John Ternus. Teams that were led by the executives moving to the Siri team will be overseen by Geoff Stahl, who has worked for Rockwell for years.

Under Rockwell's lead, Apple is rearchitecting Siri to use an LLM-based system that will streamline the personal assistant's underlying technology and outward-facing capabilities. To ensure that Siri's planned functionality for integrating more extensively with apps is ready to go on time, Apple plans to work with third-party app developers.

Article Link: Siri Management Team Gets Overhaul After Apple Intelligence Failure
Apple Products and Software are GARBAGE, we buy products that meet the minimum requirements for the current year. Apple profits off you having to buy every year just to use their next generations software and programs. Wake up folks Tim Cook dont care about you only your money.
 
That's the only thing that Siri can do correctly.
And even with timers, it messes up. If you have a 10 minute timer, and say "add 2 minutes to my timer", it doesn't do it. It just replaces the 10 minute timer.

You need to say "add 2 minutes to my 10 minute timer". Even if that was the only timer you had running. And it requires you remembering how long the original timer was in the first place.
 
Maybe I’m just simple country chicken lawyer, but getting the guys who make the fromnosticats to now make the terlopitons doesn’t seem like the right move.
 
AI is a scam. A good parlor trick.

The “AI” we have is suffering from misleading reporting and associating what everyone really thinks of when they hear AI.

It should just be called “word calculator”, and for that it’s very impressive. But like a maths calculator, it’s only useful if you know how to use it.
 
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I don't get how a company with so much money can't just fix these problems lol I just don't get it
 
I’m concerned by the casual mention that Siri will be LLM based. That’s priming it for failure. I’m ready for all the complaints of hallucinations and getting things wrong.

LLM-based systems are useful beyond what you're alluding to with hallucinations.

Pre-LLM are simply smaller language models and other types of models. Large Language Models embody MANY more data points, which exceeds the capability of our smaller devices. Getting LLMs to run efficiently has been the biggest area of advancement lately.

LLMs are not something entirely new, they are just much "larger".
 
And even with timers, it messes up. If you have a 10 minute timer, and say "add 2 minutes to my timer", it doesn't do it. It just replaces the 10 minute timer.

You need to say "add 2 minutes to my 10 minute timer". Even if that was the only timer you had running. And it requires you remembering how long the original timer was in the first place.
ok it can’t even do timers!

It’s only apple’s brand loyalty and great hardware and software that is saving them at this point.

Compared to Gemini ChatGPT etc Siri is a total dumpster fire.

And that one of the biggest companies in the world is fumbling the next - the biggest - thing in computing is more than a little worrying.

My pet theory is that all of the senior people at apple have all got executive assistants and simply don’t use Siri. And perhaps they don’t ever step out of the bubble of apple to have realised that a new epoch was starting with the public reveal of ChatGPT 3.5
 
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Cue the ignorant reactions "LOL did they assign the folks from Apple's biggest flop in recent history to fix Siri?".
If you try to explain to them that awesome tech does not guarantee commercial success their heads will explode á la Scanners...
Awesome tech without a market already shows the problem. The initial vision is wrong, the direction is wrong, the implementation is wrong.
How do you trust a leadership team who made those decisions
 
This is what I need fixed:

"Siri, what time does Costco close?"

Siri: "Here is what I found on the internet for 'what time does Costco close?"

Meanwhile, my family member's 4-year-old Android runs circles around Siri. How did it ever get this bad
 
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LLM-based systems are useful beyond what you're alluding to with hallucinations.

Pre-LLM are simply smaller language models and other types of models. Large Language Models embody MANY more data points, which exceeds the capability of our smaller devices. Getting LLMs to run efficiently has been the biggest area of advancement lately.

LLMs are not something entirely new, they are just much "larger".
I’m not saying LLMs are totally without merit, I just believe they don’t live up to the hype.

I’ve played around with LLMs both on and offline too, so I’m not just some hater blathering on with no firsthand knowledge. I’ve used ChatGPT, Llama, Claude, & Mistral online, and Llama 3.1, Gemma2, DeepSeek, Mistral, and others offline. None of them have been more than marginally useful, and all rather inaccurate.
 
I think the comments here are dead on. Tim Cook has been sailing on Jobs execution and talent for long enough and the entire C suite is garbage now. The Siri lead should have been sacked. They should sign a deal with OpenAI or Anthropic to provide AI for now until they get their **** together in house. Where is the urgency and the appetite?

As for the next big thing. Vision Pro wasn’t ever going to be it. It was never going to be electric car. They can’t even deliver on the next gen CarPlay on time. Where is the vision?

Apple Watch was maybe their last success and they stopped innovating almost immediately even though there is a ton to opportunity for it to go beyond the watch form factor. iPad and iPhone have been mostly coasting too and they need to start really thinking about what computing is going to be in the future. Where is the desire to improve?

But, even in today’s market, at least buy Nintendo and enter console gaming hard. That is the clear adjacency they have ignored since Pippin.
 
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