Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
He wages war on opposing technology to his values, shutting them out instead of competing side by side.

I take huge issue with this:

Apple iPhone (not supporting Flash plugin or cross compiled flash applications)

vs

All the other phone vendors and all the other phone operating systems which have signed up to support Adobe Flash.


That's competition. So if flash is a killer feature we're being told it is, then iPhone will be dead within 3 years and Jobs will live to rue his mistake. So ultimately the market is free to decide.

This isn't like the 90's when whatever you picked you basically ended up picking Microsoft.
 
Steve asked him some questions -- he didn't answer. Why not?

Steve must feel he has battled off another critic there.
 
I take huge issue with this:

Apple iPhone (not supporting Flash plugin or cross compiled flash applications)

vs

All the other phone vendors and all the other phone operating systems which have signed up to support Adobe Flash.


That's competition. So if flash is a killer feature we're being told it is, then iPhone will be dead within 3 years and Jobs will live to rue his mistake.


Who cares about 3 years from now, today we have gimped devices. Cut Flash out when HTML 5 is ready. We're being chicken-fed technology and paying premium for it.
 
Who cares about 3 years from now, today we have gimped devices. Cut Flash out when HTML 5 is ready. We're being chicken-fed technology and paying premium for it.

I think Jobs' message is clear "If you don't like it, go elsewhere." What's unfair about that?

HTML5 will never be ready if it is not supported. flash will be the new floppy drive.
 
If Microsoft was to say that anyone on Windows wasn't allowed to use Firefox or Safari a stink would be storming
This is funny, because Microsoft have made it very difficult to remove Explorer and made life very hard for another browser manufacturer in the past.

and Microsoft would get so many names and horrible comments thrown at them but Apple just don't care...
And Apple have had lots of names and horrible comments thrown at them.
 
This is funny, because Microsoft have made it very difficult to remove Explorer and made life very hard for another browser manufacturer in the past.


And Apple have had lots of names and horrible comments thrown at them.

But there's a difference, Apple say no to Adobe, only to punish (yes punish) the users of their hardware. This is my first Mac and I've been a Windows user the whole time. The hardware inside this MacBook is out of date compared to laptops running Windows. Apple slaps a premium price on hardware and limits what it's OS can run on. Microsoft customise their software to work on any hardware...

Microsoft make one mistake and the media are all over it, Apple jabbing them, even the price of their OS is laughed at... Microsoft constantly bring out updates, the OS isn't open source, Mac is based off Linux/Unix afaik (guessing because of terminal) so most of it's system has been coded and created by the users? (I am most likely wrong here sorry)

Apple make a big step and say no way to Adobe and all you get is 1 news paragraph saying what's happened. Microsoft make 1 mistake it's all over the news, people moaning, sarcasm thrown at them etc...

Apple don't care, their systems are for rich people anyway.

Any company that says I can't use flash is out of order and don't deserve any of my hard earned cash. I was going to buy an iPad until I read about it... What if I ran my website on Flash?
 
Who cares about 3 years from now, today we have gimped devices. Cut Flash out when HTML 5 is ready. We're being chicken-fed technology and paying premium for it.

[1] No one cares about three years from now. It was just an estimate of how long it would take for Apple's iPhone to be forced out the market by the flash toting competition. Cause that's what everyone wants right: competition?

[2] HTML 5 is far more ready for mobile devices than Flash is. Flash is in beta, buggy and has VERY high end requirements. And with the speed flash is progressing (remember since 2007 Adobe has been promising flash for iPhone just around the corner) and the speed HTML 5 is progressing, the easy money is on HTML 5 being ready before Flash.

[3] “Chicken” fed. I must have missed the bit where you were made to buy an iPhone.
 
This is funny, because Microsoft have made it very difficult to remove Explorer and made life very hard for another browser manufacturer in the past.

Yep, and they had to pay billions of dollars in fines to the EU over that.
 
[1] No one cares about three years from now. It was just an estimate of how long it would take for Apple's iPhone to be forced out the market by the flash toting competition. Cause that's what everyone wants right: competition?

[2] HTML 5 is far more ready for mobile devices than Flash is. Flash is in beta, buggy and has VERY high end requirements. And with the speed flash is progressing (remember since 2007 Adobe has been promising flash for iPhone just around the corner) and the speed HTML 5 is progressing, the easy money is on HTML 5 being ready before Flash.

[3] “Chicken” fed. I must have missed the bit where you were made to buy an iPhone.

Yes true, Flash isn't good on their hardware as they've stated and made clear in their excuses why not to use Flash on their website...

It's not the fact that Flash isn't allowed it's the fact that nobody has a choice.... if it doesn't run well on the hardware make an alternative (HTML5) and allow Flash for people that want it... just because I don't like the smell of steak cooking doesn't mean my GF isn't allowed to eat it...
 
Microsoft customise their software to work on any hardware...

Apple don't care, their systems are for rich people anyway.

Any company that says I can't use flash is out of order and don't deserve any of my hard earned cash. I was going to buy an iPad until I read about it... What if I ran my website on Flash?

Windows only runs on 8086 architecture. Thats a huge barrier to entry for non 8086.

I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

If you don't like apple products don't buy them. Simple.

You said it. Job's message.

That's the problem.

That a CEO has a strong influence over the products their company produces? You have a problem with that?
 
Windows only runs on 8086 architecture. Thats a huge barrier to entry for non 8086.

I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

If you don't like apple products don't buy them. Simple.

That a CEO has a strong influence over the products their company produces? You have a problem with that?

I'm still trying to find hardware that Windows doesn't run on... (hardware that is useful for people like us)

x86

Mac hardware (MacBook, iMac etc..) cost more than standard PC hardware which is true and not reasonable...

I love my Mac and it's the first Mac hardware I've purchased, it's nice and stable...

I could of got an i7 instead of a C2D with integrated graphics... same price aswell, I chose Mac for a change.

For anyone to purchase all Mac hardware you have to be well off or have a lot of money to spare.
 
Yes true, Flash isn't good on their hardware as they've stated and made clear in their excuses why not to use Flash on their website...

It's not the fact that Flash isn't allowed it's the fact that nobody has a choice.... if it doesn't run well on the hardware make an alternative (HTML5) and allow Flash for people that want it... just because I don't like the smell of steak cooking doesn't mean my GF isn't allowed to eat it...

Have you noticed how many big websites announced they're coming out with a HTML5 alternative since the iPad was announced? Do you think that would be happening if the iPad supported Flash?

No. Why? Because they wouldn't have to. Since the iPad doesn't support Flash a lot of websites are realizing that if they don't provide an alternative they won't be accessible to a big number of people. If th iPad had Flash they could just let everything as is.
 
I just read that.

I'm not crazy for Jobs or anything, but I thought he came off a lot better. The guy's a journalist, shouldn't he be able to construct an argument?
 
I'm still trying to find hardware that Windows doesn't run on... (hardware that is useful for people like us)

x86

Mac hardware (MacBook, iMac etc..) cost more than standard PC hardware which is true and not reasonable...

I love my Mac and it's the first Mac hardware I've purchased, it's nice and stable...

I could of got an i7 instead of a C2D with integrated graphics... same price aswell, I chose Mac for a change.

For anyone to purchase all Mac hardware you have to be well off or have a lot of money to spare.

How do you know that some non 8086 hardware wouldn't be useful?

It's obviously not unreasonable enough for you not to buy it.
 
Have you noticed how many big websites announced they're coming out with a HTML5 alternative since the iPad was announced? Do you think that would be happening if the iPad supported Flash?

No. Why? Because they wouldn't have to. Since the iPad doesn't support Flash a lot of websites are realizing that if they don't provide an alternative they won't be accessible to a big number of people. If th iPad had Flash they could just let everything as is.

Just a note on this, its not the big amount of people its the type of people that own a iPad.

Young men and women with high pays is much more interesting to a company than people that can only afford a $200 Walmat special.
 
Pretty much tells him if you dont like it...dont buy it....and they wont be forced into adding something that goes against his better judgement or his beliefs ref adobe / flash ect.
 
Yes true, Flash isn't good on their hardware as they've stated and made clear in their excuses why not to use Flash on their website...
This is twisting things. Flash doesn't run “well” on anyone's hardware yet, not just Apple's. That's the whole point.

But there's a difference, Apple say no to Adobe, only to punish (yes punish) the users of their hardware.
No, they're trying to save you from crashes and poor battery life. If you want this flash you can go elsewhere. Just a shame it isn't quite ready anywhere else yet.

Apple slaps a premium price on hardware and limits what it's OS can run on.
And turns a blind eye to the hackintosh community.

Microsoft customise their software to work on any hardware...
Two things: a) they do work on reference designs for motherboards etc and in close collaboration with intel and AMD, so it is not an entirely random mish-mash of hardware b) despite this, look what a mess they have made of it in the recent and not so recent past.

Microsoft make one mistake and the media are all over it, Apple jabbing them, even the price of their OS is laughed at...
I'd read up on it a bit more. It wasn't one little mistake. Microsoft are not well liked for many reasons.

Apple make a big step and say no way to Adobe and all you get is 1 news paragraph saying what's happened.
[1] Apple was quite open and reasonable about working with Adobe to begin with. It was Adobe's complete failure to deliver anything beyond a few buggy, battery draining proof of concept demos that has kind of deterred them.
[2] We've had quite a bit more than one paragraph.

Microsoft make 1 mistake it's all over the news, people moaning, sarcasm thrown at them etc...
Same with Apple. And Microsoft have been given a free pass on some things. Like all the hype over Apple defending their IP. Then when Microsoft announce they are making money from every HTC phone sold with the Google Android Operating System (note the lack of Microsoft involvement!) it passes by with barely a whisper.

Apple don't care, their systems are for rich people anyway.
Apple care about a lot, which is why their CEO is up a 2AM answering emails to dissatisfied customers. Here's another positive example of Apple caring:
During most of our audits, suppliers stated that Apple was the only company that had ever audited their facility for supplier responsibility.

Apple may be big, but they're far from evil yet.
 
I agree.

If Jobs supported no guns, and all the gun applications in the app store were taken down, I think there would be a lot of very puzzled and angry people. "But it's only an application about guns. What's the problem?"

IMO "It's only porn, what's the problem?".

Sorry, I'm realise this isn't in PRSI....
same view. guns have killed a lot more people then porn has (i think).

I just read that.

I'm not crazy for Jobs or anything, but I thought he came off a lot better. The guy's a journalist, shouldn't he be able to construct an argument?
hmm maybe - can he even be called one? he writes on the net, so what? i do it too :p

Alternative headline: "idiot editor gets pwned by Steve jobs".
hahaha me likey!
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.