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SJ and Ryan Tate go at it via email at 2AM!

It's a shame that when SJ was in the mood for a heart to heart conversation it had to be with that idiot. I'd love to learn more about his motivations. Honestly I'm learning more and more just to trust him in his vision, but it's always nice to know where it comes from. I don't fool myself and believe his motivations are "pure", Apple is a corporation out to make money. But unlike many products of our time, they have at least provided some revolutionary products while making money, which is ok with me.
 
ethical said:
I agree.

If Jobs supported no guns, and all the gun applications in the app store were taken down, I think there would be a lot of very puzzled and angry people. "But it's only an application about guns. What's the problem?"
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From my perspective I think there would be a whole bunch of people complaining about their second amendment rights over this...
 
spinedoc77 said:
It's a shame that when SJ was in the mood for a heart to heart conversation it had to be with that idiot. I'd love to learn more about his motivations. Honestly I'm learning more and more just to trust him in his vision, but it's always nice to know where it comes from. I don't fool myself and believe his motivations are "pure", Apple is a corporation out to make money. But unlike many products of our time, they have at least provided some revolutionary products while making money, which is ok with me.
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I agree.

This exchange proves why you should never "dial while drunk".
 
Steve is facing his own mortality due to his illness. I can empathize with what that does to you. The mans ego and sense of self-importance is widely known and, one could argue, not entirely baseless.

More than likely, Steve see's Apple as his shot at immortality. He is a Buddhist and anyone can figure out what he's doing. If he could find a way to inject a portion of his soul into every product that is made, he'd do it. For now, the best way to do this is by dictating policies regarding user experience, content and his view of standards. In this manner, should anything happen to him, his philosophy and 'essence' lives on. At least until the next update.
 
ReallyBigFeet said:
Steve is facing his own mortality due to his illness. I can empathize with what that does to you. The mans ego and sense of self-importance is widely known and, one could argue, not entirely baseless.

More than likely, Steve see's Apple as his shot at immortality. He is a Buddhist and anyone can figure out what he's doing. If he could find a way to inject a portion of his soul into every product that is made, he'd do it. For now, the best way to do this is by dictating policies regarding user experience, content and his view of standards. In this manner, should anything happen to him, his philosophy and 'essence' lives on. At least until the next update.
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What's your point exactly? :rolleyes:
 
Winni said:
And, to his great astonishment, the world as a whole doesn't want it.
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SJ doesn't care about the whole world. He rightfully cares about his potential customers.

It's quite simple: If the iPad ever gets the image of a porn viewer then the platform is dead because young affluent people don't want to be seen with it. And parents won't buy it for their kids. And the potential sales from porn won't compensate for this. That's all there is to it.

If gun apps or violent games had the same effect SJ would ban them. But as of now it's only porn that could damage the iPad image.

I know I would not bring my iPad to work or use it in public if it had a creepy porn viewer image.
 
If I was that guy I wouldn't have posted that. Pardon my french, but he got O-W-N-E-D.
 
Compile 'em all said:
Alternative headline: "idiot editor gets pwned by Steve jobs".
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One's interpretation of that exchange depends greatly on how much one loves Apple unconditionally. I thought the "idiot editor" made some good points while Steve sounded smug and bitter. Steve should stop responding directly to email or should have a one hour rule before he spits out these angry replies.
 
ValSalva said:
One's interpretation of that exchange depends greatly on how much one loves Apple unconditionally. I thought the "idiot editor" made some good points while Steve sounded smug and bitter. Steve should stop responding directly to email or should have a one hour rule before he spits out these angry replies.
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Why must you assign motive to how people interpret this exchange?

I think a reasonable person could look at the exchange and clearly see that there are two incompatible visions for mobile platforms. It just seems like there is a lot of feigned outrage over this issue.

At this point it should be pretty clear that the only way flash and other controversial things will appear on an Apple mobile platform is if the market demands this to be. If developers, consumers, pundits, companies, publishers, and competing platforms are so offended by the grave sins Jobs has committed against them - a better utilization of resources is to create a ubiquitous mobile standard that is based in flash or whatever else than to bitch about it.

Simply offer an alternative to Apple's platform and take advantage of Jobs' hubris for a second time. Looking at the mobile ecosystem now compared to 5 years ago, however, grants Jobs just a little bit of deference in knowing what he's doing.

On the porn issue, it seems Jobs is personally offended by pornography. There is also a very practical aspect of this thing too. Apple is a high-profile company and any story about pornography getting slipped into an app that someone's kid downloads is going to get about 1000x times the play of say google. I am sure they would rather not see the headlines: Apple - Porno iPod?

Final thought - questioning motives is just lame. Both sides have valid points and are most likely thinking in terms of good faith towards their users. People who find one side more convincing than the other just have differing opinions - in most cases it's not based on fidelity or enmity towards a particular company
 
jb1280 said:
Why must you assign motive to how people interpret this exchange?

I think a reasonable person could look at the exchange and clearly see that there are two incompatible visions for mobile platforms. It just seems like there is a lot of feigned outrage over this issue.

At this point it should be pretty clear that the only way flash and other controversial things will appear on an Apple mobile platform is if the market demands this to be. If developers, consumers, pundits, companies, publishers, and competing platforms are so offended by the grave sins Jobs has committed against them - a better utilization of resources is to create a ubiquitous mobile standard that is based in flash or whatever else than to bitch about it.

Simply offer an alternative to Apple's platform and take advantage of Jobs' hubris for a second time. Looking at the mobile ecosystem now compared to 5 years ago, however, grants Jobs just a little bit of deference in knowing what he's doing.

On the porn issue, it seems Jobs is personally offended by pornography. There is also a very practical aspect of this thing too. Apple is a high-profile company and any story about pornography getting slipped into an app that someone's kid downloads is going to get about 1000x times the play of say google. I am sure they would rather not see the headlines: Apple - Porno iPod?

Final thought - questioning motives is just lame. Both sides have valid points and are most likely thinking in terms of good faith towards their users. People who find one side more convincing than the other just have differing opinions - in most cases it's not based on fidelity or enmity towards a particular company
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I do think both sides of the argument have valid opinions. I was responding to the post which stated: "idiot editor gets pwned by Steve jobs." I don't think that's the case.

We can defer to Steve's vision as the Apple mobile platform gets overwhelmed by Google. Android is growing much faster than iPad/iPhone. That has a lot to do with the open nature of Android.

Apple may sell a few million iPads this year but PCs sell at a million units a day. And here is Steve saying PCs are over. He's not always right. No one is.

Steve's comment on PCs makes me really worry about Mac, OS X, and the Mac Pro in particular. If Apple loses focus chasing Google in the mobile space I can see Mac losing market share. Combine that with the inevitable victory of Android and one wonders where Apple will be in five years.
 
When Apple first rejected a fart app from the App Store people whined and called censorship. Then they approved the app. The App Store was then flooded with all kinds of fart apps. Even now the running joke is that the App Store has 10% good apps and 90% fart apps or whatever.

Recently the App Store started to get flooded with all kinds of apps with topless girls, to the point that several of the top 10 lists had several of those apps in them. A lot of people were getting really annoyed with it. Then Apple deleted all of the apps and people again whined and called censorship.

Whichever way they go people are going to complain. Considering both cases and the fact that Apple wants to be taken seriously in the business and education market I think they've made the right choice, business-wise.

ValSalva said:
We can defer to Steve's vision as the Apple mobile platform gets overwhelmed by Google. Android is growing much faster than iPad/iPhone. That has a lot to do with the open nature of Android.
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Correction: Android is growing faster in th U.S., where Android is in all carriers vs. Apple just with AT&T. World wide the iPhone is still way ahead. Also Android is running in several different phone models, that keep coming out every few months. The iPhone hasn't been updated in almost a year.
 
I thought Jobs sounded like a artist, single-mindedly pursuing his vision whilst swimming against the tide.

Good for him: I wish more folks had that sort of confidence in their abilities (and the track record to back it up.)

And what does this "journalist" know? What's his vision? What are his design, tech, business and leadership qualifications? Not trying to sound like an elitist snob - but those things really are important.
 
Arran said:
I thought Jobs sounded like a artist, single-mindedly pursuing his vision whilst swimming against the tide.

Good for him: I wish more folks had that sort of confidence in their abilities (and the track record to back it up.)

And what does this "journalist" know? What's his vision? What are his design, tech, business and leadership qualifications? Not trying to sound like an elitist snob - but those things really are important.
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It seems like Steve feels he shouldn't be questioned. Bill Gates, whatever one thinks of him, handled questioning and criticism much better and he had a whole lot more of both than Steve ever did. Gates would alway be relentlessly positive. Despite Steve's complaint that the journalist is negative, in that exchange Steve sounded even more negative.
 
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It seems like Steve feels he shouldn't be questioned. Bill Gates, whatever one thinks of him, handled questioning and criticism much better and he had a whole lot more of both than Steve ever did. Gates would alway be relentlessly positive. Despite Steve's complaint that the journalist is negative, in that exchange Steve sounded even more negative.
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If people would stop buying Apple products instead of buying them and complaining about the features they lack I'm sure Steve would change his attitude. Until then he has no reason to.
 
Winni said:
And, to his great astonishment, the world as a whole doesn't want it.
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You do know you are free to open Safari and navigate to any porn site you like. Those crazy porn guys are even already running HTML5 video.

If you absolutely need a porn app then buy something that guys you that option. Pretty freaking simple.

Geez what a bunch of cry babies people are.
 
It's still Apple's call

Anyone who thinks that Apple is too strict on what they allow through the app approval process must have never had a Palm OS device. There were so many apps available for them, but how many times did I dl an app and have it just plain not work, crash the device, or even render the device completely useless until you did a hard reset? The length that Apple goes through to keep crap (poorly written apps) off my device is greatly appreciated. I don't need my phone crashing to a point that it is unusable while I'm away from home!
I for one like that fact that they make sure everything plays well together. At the same time, there are plenty of apps I'd like to see that haven't been approved. I'd love to see the Calendar data opened up to third party apps, I realize that is supposed to be coming in 4, but we'll see. I'd love to see an app that lets me pick and choose the sounds I want for warnings/reminders/etc without having to jailbreak by phone. But I can accept a few annoyances knowing that I don't have to worry about the BIG annoyances!
 
I don't understand why people want the flash but I guess everyone to there own. If you don't like it go get a android and just leave apple. Steve jobs is just being honest with the customer and I could respect that, shows he's a person just like the rest of us. Im sorry but flash is going to be outdated in a year, nor do I want that battery killing crap on my phone.
 
I'm pretty critical of Jobs for various reasons. I will say though I have a tremendous amount of respect for a guy that will respond to emails and mix it up with folks. I thought it was a good exchange and I ended up having a bit more respect for Steve after reading it. I still don't agree with a lot of his philosophies of "saving the user from <insert evil>", but I respect the guy for making his stance clear.

Mike
 
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