SJ and Ryan Tate go at it via email at 2AM!

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Freedom and responsibility

I AM APPALLED THAT APPLE'S RESPONSIBLE DECISION TO LIMIT LESS CHILD FRIENDLY APPS IS BEING PORTRAYED IN SUCH A DIM LIGHT. FOR THOSE TAKING THIS STANCE IT IS TIME YOU REALISED THAT WITH FREEDOM COMES RESPONSIBILITY.

Right now that has got your attention let me explain. The app store is not restricted by age in any way and so all of the apps are open to everyone children and adults alike. If any of you have children would you like them coming across the seeder side of the net when using a store like iTunes that was traditionally a music store. Don't come at me with parent's responsibility. I am not one but I do know you cannot watch kids 24/7 and its the time you take your eyes off them that things happen. If you want to look at the seedier side of thing then that is your choice and as one poster said you can do that via safari.

On this issue of FLASH the ipod, iPhone and iPad are not 'open' platforms like in the same vein as linux and other such open source platforms. The are owned by Apple and as such Apple is totally entitled to make judgement calls on what is best for the platforms. I am afraid that will not please everyone but there again the they are not the only platforms you can use if you want things like FLASH.

You pay your money and make your choice. All I know is that for its flaws the iPod, iPad and iPhone range have a lot of users so Apple must be doing something right. If you don't like them then maybe you should be considering if you have invested your money wisely. If not then change what you use not moan about it. If you can't then live with the fact you made a bad decision in this case.

Spence

 

[Pachang]

FOR THOSE TAKING THIS STANCE IT IS TIME YOU REALISED THAT WITH FREEDOM COMES RESPONSIBILITY.

yeah I watched spiderman too.

 

[Carniphage]

But you have a choice

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Did you read my post at all?

C.

 

[spanading]

yeah I watched spiderman too.

Thank you I thought that quite was too good to be one of mine, but that said it does not make it any less true

 

[gathart]

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Did you read my post at all?

C.

oops you are right sorry

 

[elppa]

You pay your money and make your choice. All I know is that for its flaws the iPod, iPad and iPhone range have a lot of users so Apple must be doing something right. If you don't like them then maybe you should be considering if you have invested your money wisely. If not then change what you use not moan about it. If you can't then live with the fact you made a bad decision in this case.

Spence

I think this is a really great point. This isn't like the “PC market” in the 90s where whatever choice you made you nearly always ended up with Microsoft software.

Symbian phones from both Nokia and Sony Ericsson, Blackberry OS from RIM, Windows Phone Classic from Microsoft, Android from Google and WebOS from HPalm. With HTC, Motorola etc. offering a range of Windows Phone and Android devices. Later this year we will have Windows Phone 7 devices.

It's true choice, true freedom, true competition and people moan like crazy. I don't get it.

And as Tim (Cook) likes to say Apple is “suited up” and competing pretty hard. But their certainly not dictating what other people can do, like Microsoft used to when they forced OEMs to sign agreements to bundle Windows and nothing else.

 

[Carniphage]

It's true choice, true freedom, true competition and people moan like crazy. I don't get it.

Where are the damn porn apps on the Ovi store?

C.

 

[rdowns]

800 comments and people is still argueing over this?
How long does it take for the the average-user to understand don't like/don't buy rule?

Obviously, you're new around here. MacRumors users will argue anything and everything.

 

[Mark Booth]

Ryan Tate is simply frightened that the entire Gawker Media "empire" will be brought down thanks to their idiocy and potential felony criminal activity. Ryan Tate is worried about losing his job and is lashing out at the person he (mistakenly) believes is responsible.

And, IMHO, Ryan Tate doesn't come across as a 12-year old so much as a drunken jackass that doesn't know when to shut up.

Mark

 

[GoCubsGo]

Obviously, you're new around here. MacRumors users will argue anything and everything.

You're FOS, no we won't.

 

[Nuvi]

I don't see any lie.

There is a sizeable number of consumers who would prefer to not have their markets crammed with porn.

I am vociferously anti-censorship, but I was surprised to see street newspaper vendors in Germany selling hard-core pornography (with hard core content on the cover)

Some consumers prefer to not be subjected to adult content - for all sorts of reasons.

I think the correct word for this is "protection". But it's not a lie to term this a "freedom".

It's really not unusual for companies, or politicians to spin their policies in a positive way.

C.

Hmm... As I said Its not about porn. It's about corporate communication. First of all a definition of lie: "a statement that deviates from or perverts the truth". Steve Jobs tells us they are banning porn to protect the children but in matter of fact they are protecting the Apple brand image (as said before if they would truly want to protect by blocking porn they would develop solid web filter and parental control system). Therefore this constitutes, as the dictionary says, perversion of truth aka a lie. The fact that politicians, companies etc "spin the truth" doesn't make it acceptable. More importantly do you allow your self to spin it? What about your kids / friends? Wife / girl friend? Wife meets a guy and hugging spins into f*cking... Where to draw the line. Lie is a lie no matter how you spin it.

Regarding the pornographic material in Germany; it's the same in almost every part of Europe. We don't really care about the material that much. Its been there for ages so who cares.

 

[Bodypainter]

i guess that it is ok that apple is trying to avoid PORN apps for the ipad. but the line apple draws is scraping not only porn but also erotic or "normal" views of the human body. for example: why did apple reject a harmless bikini app? or why was a magazine rejected that was sold in public with the same "bad porn" picture of madonna? it is not porn that apple is removing, it's all sort of body related content. I wish we'd be in an open society, in which people can express themselves, in which artists can work with the body without being brandmarked as "porn". apple is not leading the way to such an open society. instead it's supporting closed minded people who are scared that kids will get a demage if they see a woman in bikini... is this really what steve jobs want???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FW-lrMXLBE

 

[bobob]

the psychodynamics of organizational totalitarianism

Freud called and said he wants his leftover turkey back.

 

[Nuvi]

Freud called and said he wants his leftover turkey back.

Schwartz gave it to Steve. Won't give it back.

 

[Davidkoh]

Saying no to porn doesn't make someone a retard. But it does take someone of the intellectual capacity of a boiled potato not to understand someone's else's stanza against porn.

Using the blockage of porn as a argument to not include flash is stupid. Also, even blocking porn is stupid, and it is just a way to get some points with other stupid people.

People do not have to watch porn, but there is no reason to block it off a device.

 

[Kahnyl]

I really don't get it. There's a great porn app on the iPad.

It's called Safari.

People said stuff like this all the time back when there were only web apps.

 

[dscuber9000]

People do not have to watch porn, but there is no reason to block it off a device.

Well, it would generate quite the news headlines if Apple started distributing porn through the app store.

 

[Davidkoh]

Well, it would generate quite the news headlines if Apple started distributing porn through the app store.

Well they do not have to distribute it, but arguing that a reason for no flash is that it blocks porn is something else.

 

[Mac User 1984]

Wtf

Last time I checked Apple was a "for profit" corporation driven by the hand of the free market economy. They are not the flippin' federal government who needs to preserve freedom and liberty for its citizens. If they want to restrict what apps they sell so be it. If the public has a problem with it they won't buy their product. You "porn fans" need to lighten up and re-hydrate. There are those of us "mainstream users" who actually had dates in high school who like what Apple offers and look forward to the "mainstream products" they offer. Seriously take a chill pill and work on what costume your gonna wear at the next ComiCon.

 

[deakin]

what is Steve Jobs email address? and how do so many people know its actually him?

 

[BC2009]

Amen to "Freedom from Porn"

Awful, awful "article".

Still, Jobs' replies are pretty pathetic too. Freedom from porn? What a joke. Way to completely fail to understand what freedom means. Maybe I should move to China so I can get freedom from porn, foreign news, and government opposition! I love how he speaks like porn, information theft, and high battery drain apps are only associated with the "PC", LOL!

Is this guy turning senile or does he just get more and more out of touch with the world with each passing day?

Out of curiosity, have you ever had a conversation with anybody who was addicted to pornography? Pornography can be more psychologically addictive than alcohol and drugs. Producers of porn want anything but your freedom (i.e.: they don't want you to have freedom to choose). They want your addiction which is equivalent to enslavement -- the exact opposite of freedom. Best test for addiction -- try to consciously stop doing something for 30 days and see how far you get. You will find that the phrase "freedom from pornography" has very real meaning to some folks, and that there are many more who don't yet understand that they have sacrificed that freedom.

What is funny is that in a "free" society that the peddlers of smut always complain when somebody uses that freedom and chooses NOT to distribute their garbage. That's part of freedom -- the freedom to choose to be part of the solution rather than to perpetuate a problem.

I for one am glad that Apple does not make me wade through tons of "booby" apps that happen to match some keyword in a search I did for an app. I must say that the same could be accomplished with really good parental controls, HOWEVER, it would need to be very easy to configure and would need to be set to strict mode by default. I love the parental controls on my Dish Network box because I can even hide obscene titles while searching the guide by making whole groups of stations completely invisible. But when I got a new box, it was a pain to setup and took me a week to hide all the things I wanted off my television.

Apple is not about making you configure difficult things out of the box. Nor do they want your initial experience to be be bad. They want to capture your enthusiasm from the initial startup. So if Apple does ever opt for a parental control route I think it should be as simple as an on/off switch:

Allow Pornography: Yes/No

Only problem with that is that in the "no" setting it would still allow some porn so it would be misleading. That is to say -- there is still porn on the iPhone or iPad if you know where to look (i.e.: Safari or Playboy app) -- its just not rammed in your face on every app search you do.

So since the on/off switch is misleading, I think the choice Apple has made is the best one especially considering they want to capture a teen-age market who lack money to spend on their products and are mostly dependent on their parents buying the devices. This is the simplest solution to creating a device that is not porn-centric.

 

[iGod 2.0]

Yep!

Bottom Line?

How many people have ever heard of Ryan Tate let alone who will know his name next year or the year after.

Steve Jobs will be known probably as long as there are computers.

Who the hell cares what Ryan Tate has to say anyway.

No, I did not read all the 29 pages of posts so I am sure this has already been said - just need to say myself.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

 

[MisterK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

I don't think that Dylan would want to be told why kind of music to make either. What about Steve Jobs' freedom to have his company make the exact kind of product he wants to make?

There are many phones out there and many were around before the iPhone came out. You can always develop for hp, or blackberry or android or MS, or HTC or Symbian.

 

[makinao]

I'm going to go out on a limb here on one of the issues for the sake of argument, so please be gentle.

The problem with the porn industry is not sexuality or even morality. The problem is exploitation. One could say that the exploitative nature and practices of the porn industry ranks it together with child labor, child prostitution, and human trafficking industries. So if most of us unquestionably protest against these (specially when suppliers of companies like Apple are concerned), why are they not willing to do the same against the porn indsutry?

If this is the motivation for SJ's prohibition of porn apps, then I agree with him.

 

[sascha h-k]

ryan tate ist nur ein kleiner wixer der sich wichtig macht.