Yep. Deservedly so. And Ryan Tate's next gig will be asking "[w]ould you like fries with that?"
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Yep. Deservedly so. And Ryan Tate's next gig will be asking "[w]ould you like fries with that?"
It's obvious SJ used porn to divert attention from the real and serious issues about apple's policies. This thread has hopelessly degenerated into a meaningless argument about porn. Nonsense. Even the idiot who sent SJ the original email got into an argument about porn and how he's watching it with his wife and so on. And of course, SJ was more than happy to continue that discussion along those lines.
As far as I'm concerned, I think questions like 'Is ipad going to have a file management system that allows me to put on it whatever files I want?' and stuff like that are far more important.
As far as I'm concerned, I think questions like 'Is ipad going to have a file management system that allows me to put on it whatever files I want?' and stuff like that are far more important.
Man, bro, I don't know man. It just seems crystal clear to me, or us I should say. An Aston Martin has everything I want, but I didn't buy it because they showed it to me in red. So I wrote a strongly worded letter to the CEO of Aston Martin. No! I buy the car in another gotdamn color!
Except it isn't. Because so many capabilties of the device are crippled through the web browser, that it puts anything that contains any content that Jobs arbritarily declares to be "adult" (not just porn, but anything - sexual health, gender identity, novelisations dealing with adult themes etc etc etc) at a significant disadvantage.
For instance, no site with what Jobs arbitrarily decides to be an adult theme can create an app that allows something so basic as photo uploading, because that's off limits to the web browser for reasons that have no logical basis whatsoever. What if a website on sex education wants to do an animated diagram to educate someone? If the website is a public body their funds are limited, and they will inevitably build it in the most cost effective way to hit the maximum number of people - at the moment, that's Flash, not HTML5. But they could have quickly wrapped this into an app store app to spread that message too - but no, Steve blocks that on two different grounds.
None of them have a monopoly over distribution of their relative markets. Apple DOES have an effective monopoly over mobile application distribution at this point.
Phazer
Thank you! Plain and simple. Buy a gotdamn Android device. They have a whole marketplace dedicated for porn apps if you absolutely positively need an app for porn
One could say that, but one would be speaking out of one's arse.
There's no meaningful evidence whatsoever that exploitation is significant in the porn industry, and it is frankly belittiling of the genuine suffering of people involved in child labour or child prostitution to compare them to consenting adults accepting (usually reasonably high) wages to perform an activity.
Phazer
Hearing of Jobs stance on pornography makes me admire him more as a person. I might not agree with all of the choices he makes with his company, but this one I can get behind 100%. It's great to see people standing up for what's morally right in 2010. Granted porn is freely distributed via safari, it's great to know that it is at least regulated via the app store. I mean really, are there that many of you who actually wish to download porn via the appstore? Those who are addicted are the ones in denial. GO JOBS!
While I agree that exploitation is the major problem with porn, aapl's prohibition is due to the fact that it simply doesn't want to be in bed with the porn industry, for that and other reasons. It's a business and, as such, is making the business decision that in the long run it will do better by not offering porn apps. And as a shareholder, I completely agree. It's bad enough that some people don't have the common sense or consideration for others not to view certain objectionable content on a phone around others who would find it offensive. But put similar content on a beautiful, sharp 10" screen, and have it become common knowledge that aapl has a great collection of porn apps and is partnered with the developers (that's essentially the revenue share model), and I see big problems for the brand. Those so inclined who need their mobile porn can still watch web porn to their hearts' desires on browsers. Aapl is not controlling content. It's only controlling the apps in which it has an identifiable interest.
In the pantheons of the modern day personal computer there'll be:
Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Steve Wozniak
Paul Allen
Steve Ballmer (unfortunately)
John Warnock
quite a few other giants...
... Ryan who?
Yeah not so much.
At first I wasn't sure who to trust/want to come out better in this whole fiasco but more and more Gawker just seems like a bunch of snotty-nosed weren't spanked or disciplined whiny kids and need a beatdown. I hope they get legally buried.
Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Steve Wozniak
Paul Allen
Steve Ballmer (unfortunately)
John Warnock
quite a few other giants...
... Ryan who?
Yeah not so much.
At first I wasn't sure who to trust/want to come out better in this whole fiasco but more and more Gawker just seems like a bunch of snotty-nosed weren't spanked or disciplined whiny kids and need a beatdown. I hope they get legally buried.
I see you're in the UK, I guess the UK only has the iPhone and iPad then? That's a shame, here in the US we have many variants of smart phones like Blackberry (RIM), Android variants on various carriers, even Windows mobile devices. So people have actually MANY various choices for smart phones with their own distribution ecosystems and many markets, Apple DOESN'T have a monopoly here. Maybe someday the UK will catch up I guess so you too can have as many choices to buy or NOT buy the iPhone/iPad etc where there's all these other choices.
(BTW if you can't tell the sarcasm, and the fact I just blew a 747-sized hole in your non-existent argument, reread the above)
I think it makes complete sense that the App Store won't distribute porn. For example, YouTube doesn't distribute porn either, and most bigger, "official" websites have policies against porn. There's enough porn on the net as it is, no one will have trouble finding it. Imagine if porn would be allowed on the App Store, you would have thousands of apps that show you slideshows and videos. Stuff you could just get on the net. It would clutter up the App Store, and no one would be proud of having millions of apps available if most of that is porn. Porn apps would not be quality apps anyway. I'm not saying that there aren't bad quality apps in the App store, but it's still better than if it all went uncensored.
Nonsense.
Look at PinkVisualPad - and explain to me how the evil censorious tendrils of Mr. Jobs are preventing anything of the sort.
Apple has a monopoly over mobile apps, in the same way that McDonalds has a monopoly over McDonalds hamburgers. Please educate yourself on what a monopoly is.
Microsoft restricts content on its console. Sony - the same. Nintendo the same. Oh noes. Are they all evil censorious monopolies?
C.
You know what they say:
Those who can't _______, blog about it.
Insert your favorite occupation/activity.
Those who can't _______, blog about it.
Insert your favorite occupation/activity.
Don't think he cares to be cool (inappropriate word for over 30's these days) and who decides "cool" anyway?
He has changed computing and the way we do things with his perseverance and foresight.
He has shown he can learn from mistakes (When he was ousted) and he was/is instrumental in hiring excellent people to give users a great computing experience.
I am too tired to read all 1,400 responses, but Mr. Gawker is clearly not on the same intellectual level. Swearing and using curse words to make points shows weak thinking.
"Lack of freedom" in my opinion means freedom from crapware.
Porn; You have many sources, but it is important to block access to your (very) young children. I don't mind my a 16 years old boy watching but what about your 8 year old daughter watching? It's easy to criticize if you don't have children.
Same applies for homosexuality. I don't mind what gays do in their houses. I just don't want them to hold hands and kiss each other in front of my children. Usually boys don't have interest in girls at young age, so what if they see very often two guys holding hand? They'll think it's normal...
Back to Jobs email, I loved the last part. What have you created?
Porn; You have many sources, but it is important to block access to your (very) young children. I don't mind my a 16 years old boy watching but what about your 8 year old daughter watching? It's easy to criticize if you don't have children.
Same applies for homosexuality. I don't mind what gays do in their houses. I just don't want them to hold hands and kiss each other in front of my children. Usually boys don't have interest in girls at young age, so what if they see very often two guys holding hand? They'll think it's normal...
Back to Jobs email, I loved the last part. What have you created?
Suspicion - Thought
When you actually think about what works in the computer world and what doesn't you could come to the conclusion that more control by someone who actually tries to improve the user experience might be a good thing.
"I saw this commercial..." knee jerk crap bears testament to the "... gotta get something out today, gotta make it sensational."
I've been using Adobe products since PS1, making money despite the reality of using them. About the time Warnock was down to his last couple of years I began to notice that their products were turning to crap. Because Photoshop is unique, for the most part, the crappiness is disguised. There's little to compare. But the upgrade process is an abomination, bug fixes and new features always came to the Mac last, and Flash, has always used too much processing power and crashed the browsers I use, over and over.
When a fact is known, demonstrated again and again, why does it not play into the discussion as a finality. If anyone's daily bread depended directly on Flash working perfectly the issue would be beyond discussion.
Steve has brought us this far in light of a truly rotten set of alternatives from the "competition." Nothing is as great an indicator of how the world is full of sheep as the disparity in computer operating systems and fast food. I have to run both Windows and Mac. After 5 years of doing that I know what crap is. (Make a snide remark here, but you know too.)
This is it. Who do you trust to have your best interest at heart, day to day? I mean you get up in the morning, turn on the box, work on your work instead of the box, make a living, enjoy life... It ain't Gates and it sure as heck ain't Adobe.
When you actually think about what works in the computer world and what doesn't you could come to the conclusion that more control by someone who actually tries to improve the user experience might be a good thing.
"I saw this commercial..." knee jerk crap bears testament to the "... gotta get something out today, gotta make it sensational."
I've been using Adobe products since PS1, making money despite the reality of using them. About the time Warnock was down to his last couple of years I began to notice that their products were turning to crap. Because Photoshop is unique, for the most part, the crappiness is disguised. There's little to compare. But the upgrade process is an abomination, bug fixes and new features always came to the Mac last, and Flash, has always used too much processing power and crashed the browsers I use, over and over.
When a fact is known, demonstrated again and again, why does it not play into the discussion as a finality. If anyone's daily bread depended directly on Flash working perfectly the issue would be beyond discussion.
Steve has brought us this far in light of a truly rotten set of alternatives from the "competition." Nothing is as great an indicator of how the world is full of sheep as the disparity in computer operating systems and fast food. I have to run both Windows and Mac. After 5 years of doing that I know what crap is. (Make a snide remark here, but you know too.)
This is it. Who do you trust to have your best interest at heart, day to day? I mean you get up in the morning, turn on the box, work on your work instead of the box, make a living, enjoy life... It ain't Gates and it sure as heck ain't Adobe.
The porn in SJ's remarks is also the epitome of the overall experience someone goes through when hitting the Android, Nexus, Flash, etc. road. You're very much left nowhere and all by yourself, and taken care by no one, as is case with so many so called 'porn stars'.
As a user of those platforms you fall prey of those who sell you sub-standard, lowest common denominator apps you have no idea what they do really, and who tests them beforehand. They say it's your best expression of total freedom, and their freedom too -- a total freedom of responsibility of what kind of cr*p they serve you. Because they don't care.
So "porn" in this case is both literal meaning (yes, your kids can go and buy porn apps on those platforms) and also a symbolic meaning, for as a user you got scre*ed up in so many ways you start believe that's the best choice and experience you can have.
You start to believe it's your freedom when everyone tries to scr*w you up and deliver nothing but lowest common denominator apps and treatment.
But for others Apple is very much like a decent girl, who does take care about herself and doesn't allow every slimy breath-monster come close. And many people actually fall in love with such a girl, for the first time in their life.
With this Apple also says it leaves others to do as they please, and if people want porn aps, they can buy Android based phones and load them in. Apple also doesn't limit freedom on the web or the way web is experienced -- there's tons of porn on web you can access through browsers. But in their own app store -- nope, they have a right to say what they'd like to have there. And porn is not a part of it.
For every normal person porn is not about broadening the choice, but on the contrary: it's a crude act that's savagely curtailing our freedom to view and experience our human relationships and sexuality beyond mere exploitation and quick gratification, whose only purpose is our money.
There's more to life than that, and exploring other options also means having better choices in life.
Gasp, look at how you've completely ignored everything I said about how things like PinkVisualPad are heavily disadvantaged by the iPhone - no ability to take video or photo uploads, no ability to cross compile cheap animations for eductional reasons, no ability to access advanced graphics capabilities, no ability to access
Sites that deal with anything Apple arbritarily decides to be "adult" (which can include sex education, medical awareness, gender councilling, heck, ever political satire - all things which Apple has already demonstrated it cannot be trusted with in the iTunes store acceptance system) are put back at a level of provision that predates iPhone OS2 - and why did OS2 have to change from OS1? Because that wasn't good enough.
Did you even read what I said?
[/QUOTE]Microsoft restricts content on its console. Sony - the same. Nintendo the same. Oh noes. Are they all evil censorious monopolies?
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I think you're the one who needs to educate yourself. An effective monopoly is defined as having more than 90% of a set market. Apple has 92.5% of the mobile application distribution market. Not just to iPhones, but to all mobile handsets.
Specifically, I suggest you educate yourself on article 82 of the EC treaty on the matter.
Microsoft does not have a 90%+ share of the videogame distribution market to all consoles. Nor does Sony. Nor do MacDonalds serve 90% of the world's hamburgers. If any of them did, they would also not be allowed to adopt their current position (I noted that Nintendo actually did suffer legal problems over monopoly provision to their consoles as far back as the 1980s in the EU as well, as their market share crept up).
Phazer
These tech bloggers are a joke. Are you kidding me? This guy is dropping f-bombs in an email exchange with the CEO of one of America's most important companies? The bloggers produce nothing but opinion, which is cheap.
Seriously, what does Steve Jobs owe anyone? If you don't like the product, don't buy it! Life isn't going to perfectly satisfy every person. It's like these unions guys who complain about management all the time while failing to acknowledge that this is America, and you are free to choose to work elsewhere.
Gawker should be ashamed.
Seriously, what does Steve Jobs owe anyone? If you don't like the product, don't buy it! Life isn't going to perfectly satisfy every person. It's like these unions guys who complain about management all the time while failing to acknowledge that this is America, and you are free to choose to work elsewhere.
Gawker should be ashamed.