Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
A moment silence please for the seven Macrumors members who will complain about being unable to hot-swap SIMs.
That would be much more than that. The esim might be convinient if you live in 1 country but I work in 3 of them have 2 phones and 6 or 7 sim cards. For me it would not be viable to have an esim. Its just way easier to swap card in 3 seconds than deal with esim.
 
The sooner this option appears, the better. I have two numbers that I have to switch between at the moment.
 
iPhone 15?

Really? If this was 90 days from now I would be calling April fools…
 
About time. Having physical SIM cards seem to be a relic of the past. Digital eSIMs appear the way to go.
I can move a physical SIM from my old phone to my new one, and avoid an activation fee from my carrier. Can you ensure that an eSim will allow me to bypass getting the carrier involved for activation? If not, then your argument doesn't bode well for everybody.
 
Sketchy is right. There are plenty of carriers in countries all over the world that don't support e-SIMs. Apple is already pushing services because device sales aren't increasing, so why would they now risk cutting sales unnecessarily?
I assume they want a cut of the SP fees, it's a bit sleezy a hidden extra cost.
Edit - Assuming the rumor is true.
 
I hope they keep the physical SIM. Make's it so much easier to hand down phones to family members and relatives. Without a physical SIM, you have to involve the carriers to provision a device, which I am sure they will be willing to separate you from some of your coin$

P.S. I'm waiting for Apple to become a MVNO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert and KeithBN
I believe this was rumored somewhere around three years ago and…..it didn’t happen. To me, this rumored ‘claim’ is a falsity.

However, I do believe that we will reach a point where Apple will eliminate all ports on the iPhone, with the physical SIM the first to go.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KeithBN
Finally! They should’ve done that for the mini too to add more battery space

Also they should remove the lower speaker
 
Lack of physical SIM card? Portless, Lightning or USB-C? Hole-Punch or notch? These are just cosmetic details to distract the audience.

I just want what really matters: an iPhone with M2X processor, 64GB of RAM, both iOS and macOS to choose from, 4K resolution ouput, so I can also use it as a Mac... OK, I just asked too much... Maybe just M1 with 16GB of RAM?
 
Having just spent three hours on the phone with Verizon last night trying to transfer my service from the eSIM on my old phone (12 Pro Max) to the eSIM on my new phone (13 Pro Max), and ultimately being unsuccessful and transferring the service back to the 12 just so that I can have a working phone over the Christmas weekend, this rumor does not exactly make me happy.
 
Courage!

But really, eSIMs are better in a lot of ways, the biggest problem is that the carriers support it HORRIBLY.

If the carriers supported it better this would be a non issue. So I sincerely hope this is an Apple maneuver to get the carriers to Do Better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jazz1
Just hope Apple doesn't ask us to buy sim tray separately, just like the charging brick! :D
 
Having just spent three hours on the phone with Verizon last night trying to transfer my service from the eSIM on my old phone (12 Pro Max) to the eSIM on my new phone (13 Pro Max), and ultimately being unsuccessful and transferring the service back to the 12 just so that I can have a working phone over the Christmas weekend, this rumor does not exactly make me happy.
I think you should be able to get eSIMs in an app provided by your telco. Also there seems to be a way to setup an iPhone and transfer the eSIM during setup (when the old iPhone and new iPhone both have eSIMs). In theory we should just be able to sign into an app and then click “get eSIM” somewhere in the app then it will be provided. I haven’t tried that out on my iPhones, but I did that on my iPad, actually through regular settings and not a specific app.

But there is one problem with all eSIM stuff is just that it needs a data connection (any WiFi connection is good enough) to get activated. I was getting an eSIM, it wouldn’t activate, we connect onto the store WiFi, boom finally activates. The store people should know about that in the first place. This was at AT&T.
 
  • Like
Reactions: polyphenol
I'm not so sure about only having a Digital SIM. Does the user have anyway of changing out a digital SIM, or is it in the full control of the cellphone service carrier? Granted I don't claim to fully understand Digital SIM, and what benefits it might have.

Maybe it is just my generally poor experience with AT&T service online and in store ?
eSIM is within control of the new carrier - a new eSIM can over-write an existing eSIM from another carrier (actually, the iPhone can store multiple eSIM data sets - only one of which can be loaded at a time). So, if I read your comment correctly... eSIM cannot be used by a carrier to prevent a user from switching to another carrier.

For clarity, eSIM stands for "embedded SIM" - the carrier configuration data that is stored in a SIM is stored in a memory chip built into the phone, rather than a separate memory chip in the SIM card.

Given the privacy issues of eSIM, I don’t think so. That’s the whole of point of why some countries don’t allow eSIM. But Apple gets a cut of eSIM carrier revenue, so it’s possible they’ll try to force it.
I'm not familiar with any privacy issues. Both physical and eSIM identify the phone as a subscriber to a particular cellular carrier. I'm not aware of any additional information contained in an eSIM that isn't present in a physical SIM.

I suppose loss of privacy could come into play because the registration of an eSIM will always involve the carrier in some way, with the registration process presumably requiring identification of the user. In the case of pre-paid physical SIMs purchased off a display in a shop (where the carrier never knows the identity of the user), this could eliminate user anonymity.

I'm also not aware of how/why Apple could demand a cut of carrier revenue simply for the use of eSIM. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a one-time fee - eSIM can save carriers a fair amount of money, so a "convenience fee" from Apple for accessing eSIM seem quite plausible. But "cut of eSIM carrier revenue" suggests an ongoing percentage of service revenue. Considering the one-time benefit of eSIM and the ease of opting out of using eSIM at all, I don't see carriers agreeing to pay Apple any kind of ongoing percentage for this capability.

-------
Overall, I do see the end of physical SIM at some point in the future - it adds cost and manufacturing complexity to a phone, and carriers save money and reduce handling (no need to insert their SIMs into carrier-sold phones, no need to purchase blank SIMS, program, package, and distribute SIMs to all their shops, etc.). I just don't see the physical SIM disappearing within the next two years - the current state of approval/acceptance by carriers and governments argues against it.

FWIW, Apple Watch is eSIM-only.

What I can see within two years is the ability to operate an iPhone with two active eSIMS. I'd guess that it would still have a physical SIM as well - a user would still have no more than two lines configured for active use, with the user choosing those from a menu of various eSIMs and the physical SIM.

Overall, I think carriers would embrace this vision - the more ongoing subscriptions a user might have loaded onto a phone, the better (like multiple streaming media subscriptions). Business, personal, private, international travel... Every carrier having a chance to provide one or more of those subscriptions (or even pre-paid plans), with much of the paid-for service going unused because, after all, there's only so much time in the day.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.