Finally, Apple is pushing the carriers to drop physical SIMs. There's absolutely no reason for this, we don't drop phones every other week like Mission Impossible.
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Sketchy Rumor Claims iPhone 15 Pro Won't Have Physical SIM Card Slot
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Some people like to take advantage of “new customers only!” prices and switch from carrier to carrier. Staying with a company out of “loyalty” is boomer nonsense.
With eSIM, consumers lose the option of remaining anonymous. There is no way to activate a service without providing personal info and payment info. With conventional SIM, you can purchase a SIM, activate it, and top it off using cash or vouchers purchased from a third-party.
Apple's eSIM implementation is proprietary, which is why you don't see global adoption three years after the launch of iPhone XS. Low-cost carriers can't afford to pay Apple an ongoing percentage. As a result, you'll notice low-cost carriers are unwilling to adopt eSIM. Under normal circumstances, prepaid carriers would be the first ones to push for eSIM because their customers are less loyal and far more willing to move.
It's a matter of bargaining power, if carriers want easy access to the hundreds of millions of eSIM-enabled iPhones, they have no choice but to pay Apple. When Apple was small, carriers had all the power, but now the tables have turned.
Removing feature is an upgrade these days.
and a moment of silence for those who thinks their opinion is the only valid one
Let’s not. I take it you’ve never had to do a DFU restore.
Yeah this is still far enough out that I'm not buying this rumor.
Nice. Who are you referring to?
I was trying to get my head around why the article speaks of just two eSIMs. Surely we all have enough storage for thousands? But if I read you right, it is just a matter of how many concurrently active eSIMs.
If you can choose any two from <as many as you have available>, and deactivate on one device, activate on another easily and quickly, I'd be happy.
Especially if iPads also get eSIMs. I'd love to be able to swap my sole SIM from iPhone to iPad, and back, whenever I want. And buy or borrow eSIMs as needed. (There are some places round my part of the world where it would be convenient to borrow partner's eSIM for a few hours. Or let her use my iPad with her eSIM.)
But let it be universal and let the eSIMs be transferred across devices from all manufacturers, all operating systems.
eSIMs can be wiped out unexpectedly. This happened to me while traveling in Italy. I was having network issues, so the "helpful" Vodaphone staff troubleshooted their physical SIM by first wiping out my US eSIM. eSIMs are useful for theft protection, but I have greater control with a physical SIM, which is what I have gone back to using.
Not all of them will have the PHYSICAL Sim card removed. Some markets do not offer eSim, especially the non-Pro and the markets it is focused on. Logic wise it will be removed from the iPhone, no need to be a leaker to predict this. They made the step with iPhone 13 implementing 2 eSim possibilities.
I can certainly see this happening in the future. I am not sure about other countries, but most (if not all) major carriers already support eSIM in the US. Perhaps if rumors continue to circulate, it will put fire under the smaller and foreign carriers to adopt to this. eSIM is a way of the future, but the timing has to be right on Apple's end. We cannot have a repeat of eliminating all USB-A ports and switching to USB-C exclusively.
To counter though, perhaps that drives for competitors to change and go with the current technology.
I'm a supporter 100%, if the timing is right.
To counter though, perhaps that drives for competitors to change and go with the current technology.
I'm a supporter 100%, if the timing is right.
Am I missing something here? The iPhone 13/Pro does have support for two eSIM.
Certainly don't have use for such often but when traveling it's always convenient to just grab a SIM from the local store and have phone access. Most don't offer an eSIM option currently.
I'm generally down for getting rid of stuff that most don't use often but this is one I do use on occasion.
I'm generally down for getting rid of stuff that most don't use often but this is one I do use on occasion.
That's correct. For instance, you can have both your work number and your personal number active on the same device. Or you can set a split. For instance, phone calls would go through one provider, while data goes through another.
Don’t all major carriers support eSIM in Canada? Perhaps the MVNOs don’t, but I’m sure that’s going to change real quick.
Anyone who’s had to run a dual boot configuration would tell you of how inconvenient this would be, we’re not going to see 64 GB of RAM on an iPhone anytime soon. Just no need for it with what we currently do on our phones.
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just wait for the iPhone 15 - problem solved, new display/touch capability, it will come as a rumor next years the time
That’s definitely one scenario where having a physical SIM card for your US account would’ve been better. I was thinking about removing my physical SIM card and activating my eSIM before I go to Europe next year in case I want to use a SIM card from a European carrier. Thanks for the warning.
Only when all global carriers get onboard with eSIMs. At the moment, that’s not the case. Unless Apple is okay with leaving some carriers and their subscribers behind when it comes to purchasing the first iPhone that does away with physical SIM cards.
Yeah, at the moment for many carriers located in far-flung and some not so far-flung destinations, eSIMs are still way off. Maybe in 5-10 years it will be a different story, but in 2023 the situation probably won’t be much different than today.