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Sketchy Rumor Points Towards October 26 Launch for Amazon Prime Video on Apple TV

batsabode said:
Who is saying its going to be scrapped! OMG Some of the people on here are the type wanting their Xmas presents on July 4th!
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Um... nobody? I said there would be a basis for a law suit "IF" the app were scrapped. Anyone who doesn't think Apple announced Amazon Video integration as a major part of its "why you need an Apple TV" presentation this year just wasn't paying attention: This and 4K video were essentially the only two items in the "new" category.
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DotCom2 said:
You've GOT to be kidding me! "PROMISED"? What contract did you sign with Apple guarantying the app would be available to you by the end of the year? SHEESH!
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I'm NOT saying Apple or Amazon has done anything wrong, but indeed, the US actually has laws against deceptive promotions and advertising that go beyond written contracts. If you tell consumers that a product will do X, it better be capable of doing X. Otherwise, the folks who bought the product for the purpose of X will have a right to recoup their loss.

webbuzz said:
Neither Apple or Amazon 'promised' a date.

Apple said "later this year."
Amazon said "this year."
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And the original commenter said he would return the item if the app were not released by Dec. 31 -- which would be the LAST date on which either of those statements could be true
 
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Mac 128 said:
It had better come out before Dec 31st, or my ATV4K goes back for a full refund under threat of a class action lawsuit for deceptive sales practices. They've already got me going through 10-14 steps every time I switch over to a 4K HDR movie and back to 1080p get the correct screen format for the best native picture. I'm pretty angry at myself for not sending it back over that within the return window.
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You obviously have no legal experience or real understanding of what is considered deceptive advertising. Apple made absolutely zero guarantees as to the release of an Amazon Prime Video app and is in no way responsible for such release.

There's nothing there for a class action suit to stand upon.
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VeryVito said:
And the original commenter said he would return the item if the app were not released by Dec. 31 -- which would be the LAST date on which either of those statements could be true
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Failure to meet a release date is not grounds for lawsuit (at least not one that will ever win or even be seen by a judge). There was no contract or legal guarantee that they would hit that release date. May want to brush up on your contract law before you take the bar exam.
 
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grayskyz said:
So why did you buy it for a feature that wasn't there at launch? Seems foolish to purchase it for the only feature you wanted and then let it sit there not doing anything right?
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Who me? I use my Apple TV app all the time -- love it.

But we're supposed to be OK with ANY company promising features that never materialize? This isn't Kickstarter.
 
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
There was no contract or legal guarantee that they would hit that release date. May want to brush up on your contract law before you take the bar exam.
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I don't pretend to be a lawyer. I'm actually in advertising, and I just hate to see consumers being misled (and no, there's no evidence either company has done so in this case).

Regardless, remind me not to buy whatever it is you sell in your day job.
 
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VeryVito said:
Who me? I use my Apple TV app all the time -- love it.

But we're supposed to be OK with ANY company promising features that never materialize? This isn't Kickstarter.
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Lol okay well that Kickstarter comment was pretty funny lol.

But, Tim Cook didn't promise Amazon would make an app, he said they said they'd make one and that Apple is welcoming of their app.

Here's Amazons tweet:

You asked (a lot). We listened. Amazon Prime Video is coming to the TV App and all Apple TVs this year.

— Amazon Video (@AmazonVideo) June 5, 2017
 
webbuzz said:
Neither Apple or Amazon 'promised' a date.

Apple said "later this year."


Amazon said "this year."

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I'm just speculating here... with Apple's big push into the Chinese market, could they have been referring to the Chinese year calendar? 2017 is the Year of the Rooster, which will last through February 15, 2018. Might we be waiting for a Valentine's Day surprise in 2017?

By switching to the Chinese calendar, Apple and Amazon both would be displaying a great sense of honor and commitment to China, which could help persuade their government to further open their market to these titans of industry.
 
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Mac 128 said:
It had better come out before Dec 31st, or my ATV4K goes back for a full refund under threat of a class action lawsuit for deceptive sales practices. They've already got me going through 10-14 steps every time I switch over to a 4K HDR movie and back to 1080p get the correct screen format for the best native picture. I'm pretty angry at myself for not sending it back over that within the return window.
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Can you explain this? What are the 10-14 steps?
 
Hyperbole notwithstanding (10-14 steps:rolleyes:), I think Mac 128 is referring to the ATV4K's habit of rendering 1080P SDR signal as an HDR signal automatically by default. It makes the colors of your content look really odd. You have to dig into the settings to manually correct this. Unfortunately, I think it has to be corrected/adjusted on a case by case basis.
nyctravis said:
That’s odd, mine switches over seemlessly. I wish I could tell you the fix but I’m not sure how it does it. But know that it’s possible so worth exploring.
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Your TV switches automatically or your ATV4K switches automatically? I don't think you and Mac 128 are talking about the same thing. The ATV4K defaulting to HDR on SDR content is a known complaint.

unobtainium said:
Can you explain this? What are the 10-14 steps?
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Hyperbole most likely. Adding "turnt up to 11" emphasis to a point. It's what we do.:)
 
One of the apps I am waiting for before upgrading my 3rd Gen Apple TV. This and Madden NFL. :)
 
Mac 128 said:
It had better come out before Dec 31st, or my ATV4K goes back for a full refund under threat of a class action lawsuit for deceptive sales practices.
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Ridiculousness aside, you fancy a pop at Apple's legal team / army? Good luck with that one!
 
Hey, at least it will support the TV App.....heres looking at your Netflix!
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
You obviously have no legal experience or real understanding of what is considered deceptive advertising. Apple made absolutely zero guarantees as to the release of an Amazon Prime Video app and is in no way responsible for such release.

There's nothing there for a class action suit to stand upon.
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Failure to meet a release date is not grounds for lawsuit (at least not one that will ever win or even be seen by a judge). There was no contract or legal guarantee that they would hit that release date. May want to brush up on your contract law before you take the bar exam.
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That and Amazon Prime Video wasn't a pillar point of the ATV4K launch. In fact, it probably isn't mentioned anywhere in any way, shape or form in relation to the ATV4K.
 
FoxMcCloud said:
That and Amazon Prime Video wasn't a pillar point of the ATV4K launch. In fact, it probably isn't mentioned anywhere in any way, shape or form in relation to the ATV4K.
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Prime Video has almost no 4K content. About 20 movies and almost all are unheard of titles. It certainly wasn't a selling point for the new Apple TV.
 
CaTOAGU said:
They're talking about whats coming to tvOS in that article though, which only applies to the ATV4 and ATV4K
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Maybe the article is, but I directly quoted Tim Cook from the video clip posted above the article.
 
unobtainium said:
Can you explain this? What are the 10-14 steps?
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Yup. There's up to 14 steps required to switch from one source to another and back again.

1) Let's say I'm watching CBS streaming programming in 1080p 60Hz SDR, and I want to watch a movie on iTunes. I press the mic button and ask Siri to take me to Settings.

2) For the sake of brevity, let's say I only go to Settings to change my video format. So it's already on the last mode I selected.** From there, I swipe down to get to the "Other" options, to take me to the second page of format settings.

3) On the second page, I scroll down to 4K 24Hz HDR.

4) Then it asks me to confirm the setting (in the event my TV does not support it).

5) Then I tell Siri to take me to iTunes, where I watch my 4K HDR movie.

6) After the movie I want to go back to CBS, so I ask Siri to go back to Settings.

7) Hopefully Settings is still open to my last selection.** If so, I have to hit the Menu button to take me back to the main video format page.

8) Then I scroll up to the 1080p 60Hz SDR setting and select it.

9) I confirm that setting.

10) I ask Siri to take me to CBS.

**if for some reason the Settings have reverted to the main Settings menu, as sometimes happens for no reason I can correlate, I have to add the following steps:

11) Navigate to the audio/video settings menu and select.

12) Navigate to the Format menu, and select. Then proceed from step 2 above.

13 & 14) Repeat steps 11 & 12 if necessary to revert, and proceed from step 7 above.

I would have to add many more steps without Siri.

There's a number of things Apple could do to speed this up and make it more convenient, short of automatic switching for a native source, as it should. For instance, there's no reason I can't just tell the ATV what resolutions my TV accepts after testing, so that they do not require confirmation after each selection. Moreover, I should just be able to tell Siri to: "switch picture format to 4K 25Hz HDR", and have it happen without even leaving the app I'm currently in, or worst case scenario, taking me there so I can visually confirm it. Even better would be to identify my common supported resolutions by category so I could just say "4K HDR movie", or "HD TV show", etc.

What I also discovered this weekend is that there's no 1080p 24Hz mode, which has to be the most popular format for all 1080p movies. So that's not even a choice to take 10-14 steps to switch to and from.
 
Why has it taken four months for this to happen?
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Mac 128 said:
Yup. There's up to 14 steps required to switch from one source to another and back again.

1) Let's say I'm watching CBS streaming programming in 1080p 60Hz SDR, and I want to watch a movie on iTunes. I press the mic button and ask Siri to take me to Settings.

2) For the sake of brevity, let's say I only go to Settings to change my video format. So it's already on the last mode I selected.** From there, I swipe down to get to the "Other" options, to take me to the second page of format settings.

3) On the second page, I scroll down to 4K 24Hz HDR.

4) Then it asks me to confirm the setting (in the event my TV does not support it).

5) Then I tell Siri to take me to iTunes, where I watch my 4K HDR movie.

6) After the movie I want to go back to CBS, so I ask Siri to go back to Settings.

7) Hopefully Settings is still open to my last selection.** If so, I have to hit the Menu button to take me back to the main video format page.

8) Then I scroll up to the 1080p 60Hz SDR setting and select it.

9) I confirm that setting.

10) I ask Siri to take me to CBS.

**if for some reason the Settings have reverted to the main Settings menu, as sometimes happens for no reason I can correlate, I have to add the following steps:

11) Navigate to the audio/video settings menu and select.

12) Navigate to the Format menu, and select. Then proceed from step 2 above.

13 & 14) Repeat steps 11 & 12 if necessary to revert, and proceed from step 7 above.

I would have to add many more steps without Siri.

There's a number of things Apple could do to speed this up and make it more convenient, short of automatic switching for a native source, as it should. For instance, there's no reason I can't just tell the ATV what resolutions my TV accepts after testing, so that they do not require confirmation after each selection. Moreover, I should just be able to tell Siri to: "switch picture format to 4K 25Hz HDR", and have it happen without even leaving the app I'm currently in, or worst case scenario, taking me there so I can visually confirm it. Even better would be to identify my common supported resolutions by category so I could just say "4K HDR movie", or "HD TV show", etc.

What I also discovered this weekend is that there's no 1080p 24Hz mode, which has to be the most popular format for all 1080p movies. So that's not even a choice to take 10-14 steps to switch to and from.
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24hz? Is that even watchable?
 
Mac 128 said:
Yup. There's up to 14 steps required to switch from one source to another and back again.

1) Let's say I'm watching CBS streaming programming in 1080p 60Hz SDR, and I want to watch a movie on iTunes. I press the mic button and ask Siri to take me to Settings.

2) For the sake of brevity, let's say I only go to Settings to change my video format. So it's already on the last mode I selected.** From there, I swipe down to get to the "Other" options, to take me to the second page of format settings.

3) On the second page, I scroll down to 4K 24Hz HDR.

4) Then it asks me to confirm the setting (in the event my TV does not support it).

5) Then I tell Siri to take me to iTunes, where I watch my 4K HDR movie.

6) After the movie I want to go back to CBS, so I ask Siri to go back to Settings.

7) Hopefully Settings is still open to my last selection.** If so, I have to hit the Menu button to take me back to the main video format page.

8) Then I scroll up to the 1080p 60Hz SDR setting and select it.

9) I confirm that setting.

10) I ask Siri to take me to CBS.

**if for some reason the Settings have reverted to the main Settings menu, as sometimes happens for no reason I can correlate, I have to add the following steps:

11) Navigate to the audio/video settings menu and select.

12) Navigate to the Format menu, and select. Then proceed from step 2 above.

13 & 14) Repeat steps 11 & 12 if necessary to revert, and proceed from step 7 above.

I would have to add many more steps without Siri.

There's a number of things Apple could do to speed this up and make it more convenient, short of automatic switching for a native source, as it should. For instance, there's no reason I can't just tell the ATV what resolutions my TV accepts after testing, so that they do not require confirmation after each selection. Moreover, I should just be able to tell Siri to: "switch picture format to 4K 25Hz HDR", and have it happen without even leaving the app I'm currently in, or worst case scenario, taking me there so I can visually confirm it. Even better would be to identify my common supported resolutions by category so I could just say "4K HDR movie", or "HD TV show", etc.

What I also discovered this weekend is that there's no 1080p 24Hz mode, which has to be the most popular format for all 1080p movies. So that's not even a choice to take 10-14 steps to switch to and from.
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Interesting. But 24 Hz isn’t likely to be the most popular format for any movie.
 
It won’t be Apple holding this up it will be Amazon. I’m guessing it will coincide with the launch of the Grand Tour season 2. I cant think of anything else as big coming from them this year.
 
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