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Sketchy Rumor Says Vision Pro Will Launch in Final Week of January
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Apple probably should have labeled it a hobby (that’s clearly what it is) and not tried to hype it as the next computing paradigm. Because that’s nonsense, over-promising, marketing.
Not even remotely similar. Headphones don’t cover your eyes.
Specifically, who are these people making that claim? AR/VR has existed for a long time.
As an aside... iPhone was very late to a huge market. I remember people claiming it would flop and couldn't compete with Moto, Ericsson, Nokia, etc.
Ditto with iPod.
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No, they cover our ears.
What's your point? You do know the AVP has pass through video so if you want to monitor your surroundings while watching a movie you can. It's not like you are wearing a blindfold. Others have accused you of moving the goal posts. You said essentially no one is interested in solo viewing experiences, I pointed out much of the planet already does.
And you want to talk about ears. lol.
I don't think Vision Pro will be successful if the market is AR/VR, though. I think it only works if it is targeted at ALL computing. That's why there's so much talk about Vision Pro "replacing the iPhone", etc. It has to in order to succeed. The goal with this product is to make phones, tablets, and laptops obsolete. Not right away, obviously, but eventually, yes, that is likely Apple's goal.
I completely agree. I don't believe we'll see a "cheap" Vision Pro for many years. It's very sophisticated. It won't be easy to bring those build costs down significantly.
I don't agree. I don't think Vision Pro is about disrupting the (rather inconsequential) AR/VR market, nor do I think it's about replacing the iPhone. It's about adding value to the overall Apple ecosystem. Was the iPhone's goal to replace the Mac? Was the iPad's goal to replace the Mac or the iPhone? They are all complementary products.
When it comes to "work", anytime I'm jumping between apps and have a lot going on, I use my Mac. My iPhone is for listening to music, looking things up quickly, saving something for later (to review on my Mac), etc. And my iPad is for kicking back, reading, shopping, taking notes with the Pencil, marking up a document, etc. Different tools for different tasks. From what I've seen, I wouldn't replace any of these devices with Vision Pro. I'd add Vision Pro to my toolkit if it offered a better way of accomplishing things I do already. TBD.
It makes for a great visual! That said, I think the jury is out on just how good the user experience will be. Sitting in the middle of one's notes, etc. might sound appealing, but will it really be a better experience...or will it feel like a lot of noise? I definitely agree that it changes the game and offers a whole new way or interacting with data.Another thing I'm really excited about with Freeform on the AVP is the fact that FreeForm is an infinite canvas. It won't just be a flat wall or a wrap around wall of ideas and notes...but can have depth too. I can sit inside my notes, completely immersed in the maps for my project. I just think this is game changing.
Part of me wants this product to fail just because the "supporters" can be so nasty and unpleasant, and I want them to get their comeuppance when their beloved OmniGogs enter the dustbin of tech failures.
I totally agree with you on that one!! It's kind of shocking how rude and nasty some of them are (and even more shocking how clueless they are about how others perceive them). But most interesting of all is how few supporters there are, even on an Apple fan forum.
I couldn't agree more. A lot of people sling the mud but can't seem to take it. I really hope once the product is released there can be real conversation on what it is and isn't and what the future may or may not hold.
It's kind of weird you want an Apple product to fail because you don't like some forum members' views.
Pass through video is not the same as looking at a thing with your eyes.
Your second comment is blatantly false.
Headphones don’t isolate in the same way. It isn’t analogous.
“Pro” in Apple marketing speak means “the expensive one,” not “for professionals.”
Being the same is not a requirement for being analogous. Headphones obstruct outside sounds. That's why there are warning labels on headphones about the proper use. The APV can obstruct outside vision (or it reportedly offers pass through) so no doubt it too with have warning labels about the proper use. But the point is people already accept in their lives, even embrace, isolating technology in the name of improved personal experience. So asserting the APV will fail because it's isolating is just not a given. Time will tell.
Of course its not the same. Nor is pass through audio in my AirPods, but it's useful to the extent it allows me to hear what the pilot is saying on an announcement. Before I used to have to take out my AirPods entirely. I won't rely on pass through video to be the same, just to give me whatever relevant information I need on my surroundings. If I want the same, with either my AirPods, or the APV, I take them off.
So very true. Good information and intelligent discussion don't seem to be sought after qualities anymore. One line expressions of hate are becoming the norm.
I have to disagree with you both there. How long have you been online? I remember very heated arguments 40 years ago on Compuserve and 35 years ago on Usenet (when I got to college). People have been arguing about tech products they don't intend to buy and companies they hate since computers were first connected. You must have missed all of the Apple/Microsoft flame wars of the 90s. There's no strange phenomenon happening. Just more of the same.
It's also disingenuous to label any criticism or skepticism of this device as "hatred".
They never explain why it matters that video passthrough isn't exactly the same thing as photons bouncing off an object directly into your eyes. They just state an obvious fact like it's an argument.
The fidelity of audio is much more important to in-person human communication than the fidelity of visuals (unless a person in the conversation is deaf).
I have fairly bad vision when I'm not wearing my contacts, but it has very little impact on my ability to converse with someone if I'm not wearing them.
That's not to say there isn't a psychological factor to it. VR headsets undeniably look goofy and may give an impression of isolation even if in practice there is no more isolation than someone looking at their phone/tablet or reading a book.
Many forum members would rather have a more adult/mature and nuanced exchange of ideas and possibilities without having to deal with inane juvenile comebacks, slams, and retorts.
There's no need for that. It degrades the forum. Don't like what's being discussed in a post, simply move on. Easy.
Put it this way, I joined MR in 2002
...and my first Mac was a Mac Classic.
That's around the same timeframe for me. And I also had an original Mac.
In fairness, no one on these forums is moving the needle one way or another. I see this forum pretty differently. I understand the critical voices a lot more than I understand the 24/7 cheerleaders. What I see is anyone who doesn't think Apple is right about everything all the time getting shouted down and treated in a very condescending manner. Some of the critics are abrasive, no doubt, but I routinely see measured posts getting hostile treatment from the Apple walks on water crowd. A lot of people here just seem to want an echo chamber, not a discussion.Put it this way, I joined MR in 2002
...and my first Mac was a Mac Classic.
...my first flame wars online were on BBS systems. Dial-in local chat boards.
It's not that I haven't experienced online conflice; of course I have. I just no longer have the patience for it when it's basically pointless. I want to discuss tech. One person above called this a "debate" as though there's any point to that. I can criticize the AVP, but I do so from a viewpoint of wanting to improve it. I simply don't understand the hours of time that many commenters spend on MR when it's obvious they hate Apple and hate the AVP. Why do that?
Sure, MR has always had its naysayers. But to what end? Have the naysayers ever been significantly right about Apple? Have the naysayers ever moved the needle in any important way relative to Apple? From my viewpoint, no.
There are plenty of companies and products that I dislike, some passionately. I have never once gone to a message board about those companies or products to even 1 time complain about them. I can't imagine taking up residence on such a message board and spending hours and days and years berating those who like the company and products.
Anyway, this is no different than fans arguing over sports teams or whatever weird things humans feel the need to lionize, defend, and attack. It's nothing new. You said this sort of thing was a strange phenomenon taking over MacRumors in the past few years, and I just don't agree. It's been baked into the cake since this forum went live.