If you really, honestly think that Apple is incapable of making more than 400k of these you’re being intentionally naive. Taking what their marketing department says at face value is a massive mistake.
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If you really, honestly think that Apple is incapable of making more than 400k of these you’re being intentionally naive. Taking what their marketing department says at face value is a massive mistake.
As my experience articulating this same criticism many times shows, there is a large faction of people who believe that Vision Pro is running what amounts to MacOS. If you dare to point out that VisionOS is a variant of iOS people become enflamed and hostile. But the fact is that you’re correct. The Vision Pro is a fancy iPad, not a computer. It’s an iPhone accessory, not a stand alone platform.
Just watch…
So first of all, thanks for your respectful and in depth analysis of how you see the AVP. I am not sure I agree with everything you say, but you make some good points and took the time to elaborate so I can at least understand where you are coming from.
Much better than the "it sucks. It's going to flop" type of comment which we see a lot of here.
And I do agree that I wish my iPad could run MacOS and the AVP as well. I suspect for the iPad thats mostly a marketing decision, for the AVP it might reflect how you interact with your eyes. MacOS really needs a very fine level of motor control. We will see when the AVP is actually released.
However, I do NOT know what you mean that the iPad has a tiny fraction of the Mac's Market sales. By unit volume the iPad outsells the Mac, 61 million iPads and 26 million Mac and MacBook units were sold in 2022, of course they are both dwarfed by the 232 million iPhones sold lol. (https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/). I don't know what that translates into revenue but certainly the iPad market is not a tiny fraction, and is likely larger than the Mac. This is a key point, because it does suggest a LOT of people do in fact accept the limitations of IOS. And certainly they accept that in their phones.
I certainly agree that I wish IOS and iPadOS would improve on the file management system. To me thats where it really pales in comparison to MacOS, but I know people also want multiple accounts as well. I do see things improving on the file management system. The whole design philosophy of the iPad is to make it as simple as possible and I do see why Apple may want to continue that in the AVP.
btw, while we are dreaming and stating preferences. My ideal has long been my only computer is my phone running a competent OS (MacOS?) that takes advantage of whatever external hardware is available, keyboards, mice, displays and adapts accordingly. The more capable the external hardware, the more functions provided by the OS. In that environment I can see a headset working perfectly, especially with simplified controls.
But thats not the AVP. Like you say the AVP is for people with the money (I do know what to do with it) and who like to play with the future.
What has Apple's marketing department been saying? A linked direct quote would be good.
Give me data that says otherwise, because I am not into conspiracy theories and otherwise you are asking me to take your opinion at face value, and eh, I will place my bets Apple has some idea what it's doing. There have been plenty of people who make this their business to know that suggest Apple is indeed restrained by the display capability. https://www.uploadvr.com/apple-vision-pro-production-severely-constrained/
In other words you take their marketing at face value.
What I said is not a “conspiracy theory,” so feel free not to accuse me of such nonsense.
I fully accept on face value because thats what Apple has said, that VisionOS is a variant of IOS. I havent seen any (though I allow I might have missed some) saying otherwise. Sure a year ago we all hoped it was a variant of MacOS, but Apple was clear that it was not. That does not make the AVP a fancy iPad. Shrugs. Nor can you say the iPad is not a computer itself. And clearly it's not a phone accessory (yet) as it does have its own M2 chip. Those type of statements is what some will disagree with
Who are these large factions of people becoming enflamed and hostile that believe AVP is running MacOS?
This is accurate. As stated, what you said is merely a "theory." In order to qualify as a conspiracy theory you'd have to actually explain your reasoning instead of just insulting people who don't agree with you.
Your posts are bereft of details in a way that disqualifies them from being actual conspiracy theories.
In other words, I accept what is logical. Right now it's a niche product with niche availability of very specialized components. Did I say you were spreading a conspiracy theory? No. I said I am not into them (I am not) and a separate thought, that you have given no data for me to judge for myself what is or isnt true about the production capabilities for the AVP, and without data, its just your opinion. Don't keep telling us who we should believe or not believe. Give us data.
I fully accept on face value because thats what Apple has said, that VisionOS is a variant of IOS. I havent seen any (though I allow I might have missed some) saying otherwise. Sure a year ago we all hoped it was a variant of MacOS, but Apple was clear that it was not. That does not make the AVP a fancy iPad. Shrugs. Nor can you say the iPad is not a computer itself. And clearly it's not a phone accessory (yet) as it does have its own M2 chip. Those type of statements is what some will disagree with
It’s a variant of iOS. Inside Apple’s walled garden. Incapable of running MacOS software. Incapable (by design) of running software not found in Apple’s App Store.
iPad has an M series chip. That means nothing so long as it’s running iOS. Apple retains a stranglehold on what users can and can’t run on iOS based systems.
Let’s not pretend that iOS = MacOS in any realistic and significant way, because that just isn’t accurate and we all know it.
Also incorrect, but not an unexpected reply given the general cultural context of the moment.
My reasoning has already been explained, by me, many times over. Your accusations are blankly false.
What is the general cultural context of the moment? What does that even mean?
You linked to the article to back up your assertion that:
The article says nothing of the sort. It even says that Apple asked Sony to make more and were rejected.
So again, where’s your source to back up that statement?
No you haven’t.
We? The pet mouse in your jacket pocket is in agreement with you on this matter?
Feel free to use my “pet mouse” response in your project. I’m just joking.
I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Please elaborate.
I do genuinely prefer working on iPadOS over macOS, even though I still have to go back to my Mac to complete certain tasks that can’t be done on my iPad.
I do genuinely prefer working on iPadOS over macOS, even though I still have to go back to my Mac to complete certain tasks that can’t be done on my iPad.
sincerely curious what work you prefer to do on the iPad… I absolutely prefer content consumption on my iPad but the only work I have done on it is reviewing documents and reading email. I still prefer to use Lightroom on my Mac.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-as-a-laptop-replacement.1937134/ has 225 pages (and growing) on this exact question and can surely quench any curiosity on the subject. It includes posts from Abazigal, as recently as Saturday ( #5,595 ).
As a teacher, my work is split between a fair amount of word-processing involving the office suite (which I prefer to do on either my Mac or my work-issued windows laptop), and reviewing teaching material and other documents (which I can do on both a PC and an iPad).
What I like about the iPad is still its form factor, because it makes reading on the couch or bed fairly comfortable. It's thin and light and I can quickly rotate it to portrait mode when I want more vertical screen space. I have created shortcuts to quickly open selected apps in split-screen mode. For example, opening 2 notability apps side-by-side when I want to read the teacher's guide and reference the textbook at the same time.
I remember typing meeting minutes using MS Word on my iPad (back when I still had a Smart Keyboard) and it was quite convenient to immediately send it to my superior to clearance using the share sheet extension.
During the pandemic, it was handy being able to use screen recording to record screencasts on my iPad of me solving maths assignments to post online for my students to view. I made some light edits in Lumafusion before uploading directly to YouTube. And annotating on pdfs is just not feasible on the Mac because of the lack of touchscreen support.
Just yesterday, I had to send in my work laptop to my school's IT dept because it was having a blue screen of death. In the meantime, I hooked up my iPad to my 4k monitor (I maintain a docking station at my desk) and was still able to prepare some simple slides for an upcoming lesson (it's an older 2018 iPad Pro, so no real stage manager support).
Then in class, I teach with my iPad mirrored to a 2013 Apple TV.
At its heart, I feel like this whole content creation vs consumption debate just feels like an artificial distinction. Like for me, reading up on what I need to do for next week as part of my lesson preparation does fall under content consumption. And if I am not working on hefty spreadsheets or massive videos, I am not doing "real work".
How this ties back to the Vision Pro is that I believe it will open up new use cases by virtue of its form factor, not at all unlike the iPad. It will be better than the iPad or the Mac (or any other PC form factor) at certain tasks that was maybe more cumbersome to carry out because the design of the product just wasn't suited for it, just as it will likely be worse at other tasks, and I think that's where Apple is going for. They are not going to release a device that cleanly obviates the need to own any other Apple device (eg: replacing the Mac).
Many people are skeptical as to whether Apple will be able to justify its $4k price tag (possibly more, once you factor in AppleCare, lens, additional accessories and peripherals), and I guess we will just have to wait and see.
That’s way too much rationalization to take very seriously, actually.