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Skip the updated 15" MBP and wait for Skylake

Kulfon said:
Why do you think so? Intel will massively replace all chips in the second quarter of 2015
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Desktop, yes. But mobile always lags behind the desktop variants because of the additional engineering and testing involved to keep TDP and heat to a minimum.
 
cookies! said:
I think you are losing out on a year of utilizing significant performance gains in Adobe applications, and doing so in exchange for a minor CPU bump in the future. But hey, can't argue with the logic of excitement versus that of basic arithmetic, and you asked for opinions. 😉
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There are different opinions. This is one of them:

"The 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro hasn’t changed much since my impulse buy in 2012. Today, Apple updated them, but it’s a very minor update — the aging Haswell CPUs are unchanged from last year and barely changed since 2013, held back by Intel’s Broadwell delays, and the current base model is only 11% faster than the one I bought in 2012. Even today’s highest-end CPU is only 24% faster than my 2012 base model. There’s still no USB-C, no LCD improvements since 2012, and nearly the same battery life as last year’s model.2 They now have Force Touch trackpads, but I consider that a downgrade."

I have to say I agree with it. Personally I am disappointed to see such a minor update, but I can still make sense for some people. In my case, I would love to see a bigger update to justify the purchase. Just personal opinion.

I talked to a couple of friends that have been on the fence and they are thinking the same way.
 
I would skip it and wait for Skylake if I already owned a 15" rMBP. However, I don't, so I'm buying one.
 
Im waiting for Skylake since i think theres a good chance they may redesign the retina mbp like the new macbook.

A space gray retina with Skylake is worth waiting for imo, just dont know when it'll come
 
I think getting this model would probably be a mistake as I think the next one will get a chassis redesign, 4K panel and USB Type-C. I also think it'll receive Skylake although that to me isn't important.

My main complaint with the Retinas for the past three years has been the screen. Asus now offer a 15.4" laptop for $1,500 with a 4K IPS panel, 512GB PCIe SSD, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 960m. And of course it comes with 802.11ac and Bluetooth 4.0.

It looks good, it has the hardware features I want but it doesn't have OS X. It's frustrating for me that Apple makes my favorite operating system but has such a limited range of hardware.

Had it received a 4K panel I'd have already ordered one. I need that 1920x1200 desktop and I don't want to use scaling, things look blurry scaled.
 
I don't get why people are saying that Skylake isn't that special.

When people say wait for Skylake they're not solely referring to the cpu.
They're also referring to the changes that will come with or accompany that cpu.

Redesign/all metal 15"
USB-C
Thunderbolt 3
displayport 1.3
WiGig/Wifi 802.11ad
Wireless charging en wireless connection to displays
Graphic improvements

As a platform. Skylake has a lot to offer. Intel has time after time reiterated that Skylake will be one of the greatest innovations of the last decade.

But hey if you want to buy 2013 processor by all means..

However I would advise you to wait at least until Computex 2015 (June 2-6).
That way you may see for yourself that Skylake is already here.
 
I've been on the fence of what to replace my 2012 rMBP. I have a few choices in front of me.
A new rMBP, iMac or a PC.

Right now since apple updated the 15" model with a haswell chipset, I refuse to buy a 2,000 computer on a chipset that is being replaced within the next month. I'm very disappointed with this move, so I either hold off until the fall or next year for skylake if I want a new MBP.

Similarly the iMac is in the same boat. Do I spend more money on a comptuer that I really ought too on an what is turning out to be an obsolete chipset. I love the screen of the iMac, but I think given the high cost, it doesn't make sense for me to buy.

PC - I have a SP3 so I suppose I could make the jump with an AIO computer that is a fraction of the iMac. When the summer rolls around, I'll revisit this decision.
 
No guarantee of Broadwell-H

maflynn said:
Right now since apple updated the 15" model with a haswell chipset, I refuse to buy a 2,000 computer on a chipset that is being replaced within the next month.
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We don't actually yet know whether there will be a Broadwell-H release next month or later.

I think if Apple knew about impending Broadwell-H CPUs, they would have delayed the recent upgrade. I wonder if they got some warning from Intel that Broadwell-H ain't happening....

However, if were Intel, it might be worth launching Broadwell-H for 6 months until Skylake-H production ramps up and takes over.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

In any case, I already have a Haswell rMBP15, and I'm not convinced that a Broadwell version, even with new SSD, GPU and touchpad is worth the price of admission. No need for an upgrade until Skylake or beyond for me.
 
Quu said:
I think getting this model would probably be a mistake as I think the next one will get a chassis redesign, 4K panel and USB Type-C. I also think it'll receive Skylake although that to me isn't important.

My main complaint with the Retinas for the past three years has been the screen. Asus now offer a 15.4" laptop for $1,500 with a 4K IPS panel, 512GB PCIe SSD, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 960m. And of course it comes with 802.11ac and Bluetooth 4.0.

It looks good, it has the hardware features I want but it doesn't have OS X. It's frustrating for me that Apple makes my favorite operating system but has such a limited range of hardware.

Had it received a 4K panel I'd have already ordered one. I need that 1920x1200 desktop and I don't want to use scaling, things look blurry scaled.
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1920x1200 looks miniature on a 15 inch display, i see the use for some people but no way this is going to be the standard resolution on a rMBP15.

Thank god.
 
Quu said:
Time for glasses grandad! 😀
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Have you ever tried 1920x1200 on a rMBP15? You cant tell me that its the optimal resolution for that size. I use it on mine from time to time and im glad that the option is available when im working on some project on the go with the internal display, but its just not optimal for daily usage.
 
Skika said:
Have you ever tried 1920x1200 on a rMBP15? You cant tell me that its the optimal resolution for that size. I use it on mine from time to time and im glad that the option is available when im working on some project on the go with the internal display, but its just not optimal for daily usage.
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I did yes. I owned the 2013 Haswell model on and off over two months. I had to keep exchanging it due to defects.

During that time I ran it 99.9% of the time at the "like 1920x1200" desktop size.

I had zero problem with it at all where size comes in to it. By the way if you look at any 15.6" notebook from any other manufacturer. Asus, Dell whatever. They either come with 1920x1200 displays right out of the gate or a 3.2K-4K panel.

Before this "retina" stuff came about it was pretty standard to get a 1920x1200 resolution notebook from every manufacturer in a £1,000 15" notebook. Unless of course you were buying from Apple.

For me 1920x1200 desktop size is a must but I don't want the non-pixel perfect scaling, I want it to be 4:1 (4 pixels representing 1) like it is on the Dell, Asus and Lenovo 4K panel 15.6" notebooks.
 
Quu said:
I did yes. I owned the 2013 Haswell model on and off over two months. I had to keep exchanging it due to defects.

During that time I ran it 99.9% of the time at the "like 1920x1200" desktop size.

I had zero problem with it at all where size comes in to it. By the way if you look at any 15.6" notebook from any other manufacturer. Asus, Dell whatever. They either come with 1920x1200 displays right out of the gate or a 3.2K-4K panel.

Before this "retina" stuff came about it was pretty standard to get a 1920x1200 resolution notebook from every manufacturer in a £1,000 15" notebook. Unless of course you were buying from Apple.

For me 1920x1200 desktop size is a must but I don't want the non-pixel perfect scaling, I want it to be 4:1 (4 pixels representing 1) like it is on the Dell, Asus and Lenovo 4K panel 15.6" notebooks.
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Well then we just have to agree to disagree. And im glad Apple is not playing the numbers game and actually thinks about what is usable for most people. And i believe 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen is not a good experience outside of rare situations.
 
Skika said:
Well then we just have to agree to disagree. And im glad Apple is not playing the numbers game and actually thinks about what is usable for most people. And i believe 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen is not a good experience outside of rare situations.
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Yep we will have to disagree on this one. And Apple isn't playing the game, yet. I'm pretty sure we'll see a 4K panel in the 15" when they next redesign the chassis.
 
I will.

This seems like a minor update (They're probably making a loss on this, in terms of production) to stall the eventual massive release of the Skylake redesigned MacBook Pro.

They stalled in 2014, by keeping the GPU and only upgrading the CPU.

They stalled in 2015, by keeping the CPU and only upgrading the GPU.

Skylake will be a big update.
 
These new 15's are a waste of everyone's time. So overpriced for what you are getting. I'll wait for Skylake.
 
I would really like a retina version of the old "hires-antiglare" 15".
A 3360*2100 display with no reflections.

C´mon :apple: you can do it!
 
This is very similar to other interim updates Apple has done in the past. If you need it now, buy it. If you don't, wait.
 
The updates are disappointing

I was expecting an entirely new MBP this year. After seeing the new design and technology of the new Macbook, I was expected all of this technology, and more, in a new MBP. It should have the latest screen, the latest keyboard, the latest trackpad, the latest shell, and Skylake. I really think Apple stumbled on this one - they should have created an entirely new MBP based on the new Macbook - and then released it later this year.

I'll continue to wait - I still use my 2008 MBP.
 
eastamherstbias said:
We say this every time. The next version will be better.... it never ends.
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Agree 1000%
For sure Skylake will offer some great updates, but I imagine what will happen is Apple won't further update the SSD, dGPU, or Track Pad tech next refresh and people will probably say something like:

"seriously Apple?!? only Skylake was updated? The dGPU is a year old, same with the SSD and Trackpad... what a waste, worst update we've seen in years."

*note... I'm paraphrasing what many post's 'might' be like, (no offense intended.) 😉

No matter what IS updated... people will complain about something else for no reason other than it isn't what THEY were hoping for.
I agree with the posters who said if you need a computer now, this update is great, for those wanting the newer processor and iGPU... wait until Q4 (Nov. or Dec.) or next Spring. I think it's that simple.


*last note: this update is still leaps and bounds better than that joke from last year IMO... just sayin, it could be worse. 😉


Kal.

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One other thing... these updates of the MBPs (from 2012-now) are very similar to the iPhone and iPad updates from 2010-2013 (incrimental and not much better than the last in specs or design.) I know these are much more expensive products, but at the same time i feel the upgrades have been pretty nice, (except 2014, ha ha.) 😉


Kal.
 
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