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I just saw the comments on The Times' website. There is a lot of hostility towards this thing. People find it under-specced and overpriced.
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I wonder how long it will take for the software update 3.2 for the iPhone to come out. Will it be launched the same day for iPHone users? Will will finally be able to change the background on our iPhone in smilier fashion to the iPad?
Nah, Steve said that iPhone OS 3.2 was only for the iPad. Nothing else will ever run iPhone OS 3.2.

Most likely, the iPhone and iPod touch might gain another iPhone OS 3.1.x update with the next major release to be iPhone OS 4.0 for all devices (including presumably the next gen iPhone) sometime this summer.
 
Most good companies realize that if they don't have a product for you when you want one, you might not ever buy it. Companies don't create artificial shortages if they actually want to sell a product.

Are you serious? Ever heard of a company named Nintendo? The Wii supply has been artificially controlled for three years now. Companies can and do create artificial shortages to increase demand.
 
Are you serious? Ever heard of a company named Nintendo? The Wii supply has been artificially controlled for three years now. Companies can and do create artificial shortages to increase demand.

The Wii hasn't be controlled to artificially inflate demand. It's been done to even out their manufacturing levels and costs over time. It wastes money to initially ramp up for a huge demand rather than produce a steady stream of product based on projections of sustained demand.
 
Software huh? Yeah, whatever. For all we know, some FNG running a forklift knocked over a couple stacks of iPad LCD screens that were for the first shipment.
 
This makes no sense.

The iPad has presumably been in a manufacturing ramp for a month.

Presumably doesn't make it true. Second, doesn't mean the fix wasn't completed earlier this month. The notion that Apple was cranking away after their dog and pony show was whacked. (most folks who got a hands on said the software wasn't ready. )


That means there are shipping containers full of built iPads.

No. Again you presume that these, even if built, are boxed. Not sure if would want to secure a boatload of iPad at the factory in shipping containers. That seems like a security nightmare. However, can make but not finish final software flash and boxing if wanted to go that route. [ although will have to double final manufacturing QA time (test unit with beta software and then again with final version... which seems wasteful. ]

The other simplistic solution is to just start the manufacturing line a week later. Securing shipping containers of parts (rather than fully assembled models ) is less of a security nightmare. No need for some special hack updater for "pre-release" software . ( which is something *else* that would need to be tested and released. ) If you have a software delay you don't create MORE software to release if you can help it.
 
I think they're testing it against the latest revisions of blackra1n and QuickPwn.

Lock it down, Apple! I double-dog-dare you!
 
The Wii hasn't be controlled to artificially inflate demand. It's been done to even out their manufacturing levels and costs over time. It wastes money to initially ramp up for a huge demand rather than produce a steady stream of product based on projections of sustained demand.

You make a valid point. But you have to admit that the supply shortages of the Wii have influenced demand, whether intentional or not. There are still shortages today of a product that is many years old. If you want one, I suggest you call Wal-Mart or Best Buy to check their stock levels before heading to the store.
 
If it's just the software release that was delayed by a few weeks, why dit the shipping date go from end of march to "we have no clue when it will ship" in certain countries outside the US ?
 
The Wii hasn't be controlled to artificially inflate demand. It's been done to even out their manufacturing levels and costs over time. It wastes money to initially ramp up for a huge demand rather than produce a steady stream of product based on projections of sustained demand.

...except that there were significant lost sales while they were doing this, especially during the Christmas seasons in the West, and this impacted game sales. Ramping up the supply chain wouldn't have been an issue. Nintendo was constraining supplies for the buzz.

Now that the PS3 slim is out, Nintendo sales are weak compared to the previous year. No plans for a Wii 2 anytime soon either.


http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/wii-expected-to-slip-in-2010/1391452
 
BS

best way to build up hype is to have a "shortage". suddenly people that didn't want one, decide they want one.

i bid on some real estate two months ago and same story. place is on sale for months and no one wants it. as soon as my wife and I bid, someone else decided they wanted it as well

Is it completely impossible that they are just delayed a little bit? Must everything be a conspiracy?
 
I just saw the comments on The Times' website. There is a lot of hostility towards this thing. People find it under-specced and overpriced.

Sure, like that is a reliable survey method. :rolleyes:

Look, preening comments from a forum is fine & dandy as entertainment, but it's hardly data than can be used as-if it was a scientifically conducted survey. For starters: 1) the posters are self-selected, 2) you can't ween out poster's ulterior motives, 3) they can post similar messages under multiple pseudonyms.

If it's just the software release that was delayed by a few weeks, why dit the shipping date go from end of march to "we have no clue when it will ship" in certain countries outside the US ?

Possibly because they delayed production working on the s/w glitch. They can only make so many units per 24 hour period. So if they got a late start in production it makes sense that all production has to be pushed to one market or there won't be enough for any market.
 
Guys, take a breath. The iPod Touch was released, eventually we all got it. The iPhone was released, eventually we all got it. The iPad will be released, and eventually it'll be available everywhere as well. Just be patient, and if you can't wait that's something for you to deal with personally.
 
Guys, take a breath. The iPod Touch was released, eventually we all got it. The iPhone was released, eventually we all got it. The iPad will be released, and eventually it'll be available everywhere as well.(...)
Sure, and who's paying for the time and effort invested by people trying to get an app ready for release date, only to hear the release has been basically cancelled ? What about non-US developers who can't get their hands on the actual hardware and have a huge disadvantage compared to their USian competitors who can test and refine their apps on an actual device ?

I'm typing this standing up, it's quite painful to sit right now because us non-US developers just got effed in the A by Apple.
 
Sure, and who's paying for the time and effort invested by people trying to get an app ready for release date, only to hear the release has been basically cancelled ? What about non-US developers who can't get their hands on the actual hardware and have a huge disadvantage compared to their USian competitors who can test and refine their apps on an actual device ?

I'm typing this standing up, it's quite painful to sit right now because us non-US developers just got effed in the A by Apple.

You should probably wait and see when Apple is actually going to allow anyone to submit apps before getting too worked up about it. For all we know, they might not start accepting them for quite a while after the iPad launches.
 
He yall have you been to Engadget today? The site has over 600 comments about that non existent MS courier pad. And about 100% of the comments are praising that thing and saying how it will kill the ipad. Funny think though, the courier doesn't exist. I fell they are trying to take the thunder away from the ipad. It has corporate shenanigans written all over it.
 
Sure, and who's paying for the time and effort invested by people trying to get an app ready for release date, only to hear the release has been basically cancelled ? What about non-US developers who can't get their hands on the actual hardware and have a huge disadvantage compared to their USian competitors who can test and refine their apps on an actual device ?

I'm typing this standing up, it's quite painful to sit right now because us non-US developers just got effed in the A by Apple.

Then developers need to pace themselves. It's their problem. Don't like it, go do something else or develop for Android. And then kick yourself when the iPad storm finally hits. Whiny developers are just as bad whiny users.

Who the hell said anything about the release being cancelled? If it's moved up a little, it's moved up a little. Besides, wait for an official announcement before you get artificially angry.


He yall have you been to Engadget today? The site has over 600 comments about that non existent MS courier pad. And about 100% of the comments are praising that thing and saying how it will kill the ipad. Funny think though, the courier doesn't exist. I fell they are trying to take the thunder away from the ipad. It has corporate shenanigans written all over it.

engadget has no influence beyond its registered domain, nor do those who comment in their forums.

The *actual* world outside of tech fansites will determine success or failure. The signs are looking pretty rosy right now.

The reason Courier CGI mockups are awesome . . . is because you and I can make them too.
 
...except that there were significant lost sales while they were doing this, ......

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/wii-expected-to-slip-in-2010/1391452

How that link even remotely supports your claims is beyond mysterious. The story points out that the Wii has likely saturated the market. Meaning the vast majority of people who want one have one now. It also points out that Wii has been the leader the last couple of years. (so much for lost sales.... )

Nintendo never overflooded the market were there was a glut of inventory that had to be heavily discounted to more product. How that is a "failure" is a puzzler. This article points out they set record as recently as this past December:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/wii-and-ds-thrash-competition-in-us

[the Christmas season was chronic because folks wait too long to buy. After that first Christmas if just bought/order a Wii 3-4 months in advance you'd have one for Xmas morning.]

It also would make no sense to rush out a Wii2 if perhaps the market is drifting more toward mobile game play. Nor when still have some steam left in the tank of what they are currently offering.

If Nintendo had pushed around the dates of where they sold the devices (more in the earlier years versus later years ) doesn't really help in long term lifecycle. It would just mean you burn out the product earlier.

(likewise if Apple flooded the world wide market with iPads on day one ... not really going to help or best for long term product. A controlled rolled out is better even if it leaves a number of impatient folks unhappy.

Wii is in stronger position because it was the least expensive of the major 3. To substitute meant more money in addition to different games/play.

For better or worse Apple most likely believes there isn't a substitutable product for the vast majority of folks they are targeting. Those highly drawn to a netbook were likely to buy one anyway. Those who are highly drawn to the iPad don't want a netbook and substituting a Mac laptop is much more expensive. ) By releasing in April Apple is likely to get through the initial wave roll out's mismatches between weekly units produced and those ordered and still have time to recover/restock for Xmas season.
 
He yall have you been to Engadget today? The site has over 600 comments about that non existent MS courier pad. And about 100% of the comments are praising that thing and saying how it will kill the ipad. Funny think though, the courier doesn't exist. I fell they are trying to take the thunder away from the ipad. It has corporate shenanigans written all over it.

That's typical of engadget though, they have a fairly pro Apple stance and a lot of people who comment there seem to resent that for reasons only they know, so you end up with hundreds of senseless and idiot commenters who hate anything related to Apple with a passion.

This all came to the fore during their iPad coverage where they had to turn comments off because of the hostility. Now they offer a version of engadget with all Apple news removed, how pathetic is that!?

Seriously, that courier video is nice...but it doesn't exist! For all we know this is MS vapourware, and as much as I would love the courier to exist MS have a habit of consistently disappointing me. I'll believe it when I see it.

Hating Apple and sticking up for MS is just the cool thing to do these days...
 
Exactly...software delays...I am 100% sure that Apple has been working 24x7 since the iFad announcement to stuff more features/bells and whistles/stability/ease of use into the iFad.

Apple wants to release the iFad by April before more and more companies jump on the netbook/tablet/e-reader bandwagon and steal the thunder and/or develop relationships with media providers.

If Apple wasn't able to release the iFad till Sep or later, it would very likely have been too little, too late. I think the iFad was 80% baked when it was showcased...which is fine...many product announcements physically showcasing are 80% baked.

-Eric

iFad. Clever. ........ Did you think of that one yourself too?
 
Hating Apple and sticking up for MS is just the cool thing to do these days...

Not sure what MS has been doing over the past decade that's really worth sticking up for, though. Apple's been the one redefining entire markets and creating new ones. It's pretty clear where the praise should go. Apple "hate" is mostly a manifestation of the frustration caused by jealousy and envy. It's a hard, hard road for Apple-haters.
 
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