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Slimmer 13" Retina MacBook Pro, Dual Mic MacBook Air Expected at WWDC

bedifferent said:
Yeah, have a CalDigit PCIe USB 3.0 card. No Thunderbolt? Wow. That would floor me. I know quite a few in film and other professions who could use Thunderbolt connections for displays and external HDD's, etc. If Apple releases a new top line system as the only Mac without Thunderbolt, well, I'll be speechless.
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Intel's LGA2011 workstation platform lacks an integrated IGP to work with on the processor. I have discussed it over the years with Aidenshaw and others about other solutions by sharing video card resources and bandwidth or a "data-only" version of Thunderbolt. The video component always ends up being the requirement that kills it on the Mac Pro.

skaertus said:
The models I've seen are the following:

Core i7-4930MX (57W)
Core i7-4900MQ (47W)
Core i7-4800MQ (47W)
Core i7-4702MQ (37W)
Core i7-4702HQ (37W)
Core i7-4700MQ (47W)
Core i7-4700HQ (47W)

They are all quad-core, and their TDP range from 37W to 57W. All these models are equipped with HD 4600 (GT2) and not with GT3 (Iris), which will bring the most significant boost to graphics power. My question is: will Apple put these processors, even being quad-core and equipped with GT2, inside the upcoming 13" and 15" rMBP so they get released next week during WWDC? Or is there something else Intel will launch this week?
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Apple already rides the edge when it comes to thermals. I can imagine anything with a quad core currently just being replaced with the next available SKU at said price point under the Haswell line. It gets murky when it comes to the 13" models.

I will be hoping for updates next week. My laptop really needs to be replaced. As much as I hate to buy a Mac.
 
Eidorian said:
Intel's LGA2011 workstation platform lacks an integrated IGP to work with on the processor. I have discussed it over the years with Aidenshaw and others about other solutions by sharing video card resources and bandwidth or a "data-only" version of Thunderbolt. The video component always ends up being the requirement that kills it on the Mac Pro.
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Wow. I've been following its development since "Light Peak" stages back to 07/08. I was hoping that Thunderbolt would allow for a smaller form factor Mac Pro, with the ability to run a bidirectional Thunderbolt cable to a workstation for displays, HID's, etc. while allowing HDD expansion via thunderbolt and SATA III internal bays. Forgive my ignorance, why is the video component a deal breaker with the Ivy Bridge-E processors? Thunderbolt would not have the necessary bandwidth to support video/audio and data? I assumed that was common, I didn't realize its more dependent on other components.
 
Eidorian said:
Intel's LGA2011 workstation platform lacks an integrated IGP to work with on the processor. I have discussed it over the years with Aidenshaw and others about other solutions by sharing video card resources and bandwidth or a "data-only" version of Thunderbolt. The video component always ends up being the requirement that kills it on the Mac Pro.

Apple already rides the edge when it comes to thermals. I can imagine anything with a quad core currently just being replaced with the next available SKU at said price point under the Haswell line. It gets murky when it comes to the 13" models.

I will be hoping for updates next week. My laptop really needs to be replaced. As much as I hate to buy a Mac.
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Yes, I see that.

I am willing to buy the 13" rMBP, but I want the one equipped with Haswell due to the improvements in battery life and in graphics performance. The thing is, I live in Brazil, and the prices here are out of this world. I'll be in the US in the next two weeks, and I intend to buy a rMBP there if it gets launched in time. If it isn't released during WWDC, is it worth to buy the Ivy Bridge rMBP in the US for some US$ 1,700 or wait to get the Haswell version when I'm back here in Brazil, and pay some US$ 3,000-US$ 3,500 for it?
 
skaertus said:
The models I've seen are the following:

Core i7-4930MX (57W)
Core i7-4900MQ (47W)
Core i7-4800MQ (47W)
Core i7-4702MQ (37W)
Core i7-4702HQ (37W)
Core i7-4700MQ (47W)
Core i7-4700HQ (47W)

They are all quad-core, and their TDP range from 37W to 57W. All these models are equipped with HD 4600 (GT2) and not with GT3 (Iris), which will bring the most significant boost to graphics power. My question is: will Apple put these processors, even being quad-core and equipped with GT2, inside the upcoming 13" and 15" rMBP so they get released next week during WWDC? Or is there something else Intel will launch this week?
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We discussed this in the other thread, we are missing 6 MQ chips and some of these may be quad core or dual core. I wouldn't be surprised to see an i5 MQ chip with Iris GT3 (5000/5100). (Don't get confused with GT3e Iris Pro)

That will most likely be the candidate. I wouldn't be surprise if the 15 inch ships with a GT2 quad core and pack a 750M.

- L
 
Lunfai said:
We discussed this in the other thread, we are missing 6 MQ chips and some of these may be quad core or dual core. I wouldn't be surprised to see an i5 MQ chip with Iris GT3 (5000/5100). (Don't get confused with GT3e Iris Pro)

That will most likely be the candidate. I wouldn't be surprise if the 15 inch ships with a GT2 quad core and pack a 750M.

- L
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Yes, I know it's been already discussed, but Intel has already released the processors, and I don't see any ultra-low voltage nor any Iris graphics on the line-up. Are there any more Haswell mobile processors to be launched this week?
 
skaertus said:
Yes, I see that.

I am willing to buy the 13" rMBP, but I want the one equipped with Haswell due to the improvements in battery life and in graphics performance. The thing is, I live in Brazil, and the prices here are out of this world. I'll be in the US in the next two weeks, and I intend to buy a rMBP there if it gets launched in time. If it isn't released during WWDC, is it worth to buy the Ivy Bridge rMBP in the US for some US$ 1,700 or wait to get the Haswell version when I'm back here in Brazil, and pay some US$ 3,000-US$ 3,500 for it?
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Does it sound idiotic that, I recommend you could get a flight to US and then buy one there in a later date and it'll still be cheaper? Hopefully the stars will align and you can buy one in the coming weeks.
 
Lunfai said:
Does it sound idiotic that, I recommend you could get a flight to US and then buy one there in a later date and it'll still be cheaper? Hopefully the stars will align and you can buy one in the coming weeks.
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Well, it will be about the same price if I get a plane to the US just to buy it. I won't do that just for the laptop... I will either buy one in the US when I'm there, or buy here in Brazil. In that case, I guess an Ivy Bridge model for US$ 1,700 would be more worth than the Haswell for over US$ 3,000, right?

I sincerely hope Apple releases it next week during WWDC. And that's the reason why I want it...
 
skaertus said:
Well, it will be about the same price if I get a plane to the US just to buy it. I won't do that just for the laptop... I will either buy one in the US when I'm there, or buy here in Brazil. In that case, I guess an Ivy Bridge model for US$ 1,700 would be more worth than the Haswell for over US$ 3,000, right?

I sincerely hope Apple releases it next week during WWDC. And that's the reason why I want it...
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pardon if its off topic, but you could always use proxy shipping?
 
I really need the 500 gb drive since a new rMBP would slowly replace my aging 2008 iMac 24".
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skaertus said:
Yes, I see that.

I am willing to buy the 13" rMBP, but I want the one equipped with Haswell due to the improvements in battery life and in graphics performance. The thing is, I live in Brazil, and the prices here are out of this world. I'll be in the US in the next two weeks, and I intend to buy a rMBP there if it gets launched in time. If it isn't released during WWDC, is it worth to buy the Ivy Bridge rMBP in the US for some US$ 1,700 or wait to get the Haswell version when I'm back here in Brazil, and pay some US$ 3,000-US$ 3,500 for it?
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It is possible that Intel might have a special stock of GT3e mobile processors for Apple for WWDC. Anything can happen. Otherwise you are looking at waiting until the Autumn.
 
skaertus said:
Yes, I know it's been already discussed, but Intel has already released the processors, and I don't see any ultra-low voltage nor any Iris graphics on the line-up. Are there any more Haswell mobile processors to be launched this week?
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Yepp they are announcing some more chips at computex, which is happening right now in Taipai. (And is why some of the slides were probably marked embargo until 3rd June). Check TheVerge for other product announcements from acer (example) which should unveil some chips, but ofcourse intel will announce their own.

Here's the SKU of some of the ULV chips: http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Intel-Mobile-Roadmap.jpg
 
devilcm3 said:
pardon if its off topic, but you could always use proxy shipping?
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Thank you for the advice, but, actually, that's not a possibility. The laptop is very expensive here due to the incredibly high taxes charged by the government. If I buy a laptop abroad and have it delivered here to me, I'll have to pay taxes that will equal or even supersede its price. I'll end up paying 60% of import taxes and 18% of VAT, plus 6% of tax over the currency exchange, at least (I guess there are also some other taxes such as IPI and PIS/COFINS which will apply). And the taxes apply over the price of product plus shipping. So, it's just not feasible, and the prices will be outrageous anyway...

The options would be either to buy the laptop while I am there or to buy it when I'm back here in Brazil.
 
Eidorian said:
It is possible that Intel might have a special stock of GT3e mobile processors for Apple for WWDC. Anything can happen. Otherwise you are looking at waiting until the Autumn.
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I'm not sure, it's really looking unlikely that we can expect a GT3e in the next rMBP. The prices were expensive on the chart that ARCtechnica posted, and presumably work out more expensive then a GT2/3 with a dGPU.
 
Lunfai said:
Yepp they are announcing some more chips at computex, which is happening right now in Taipai. (And is why some of the slides were probably marked embargo until 3rd June). Check TheVerge for other product announcements from acer (example) which should unveil some chips, but ofcourse intel will announce their own.

Here's the SKU of some of the ULV chips: http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Intel-Mobile-Roadmap.jpg
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Wow, that's really happening! Acer has just announced an updated Aspire S7 ultrabook with Haswell and an optional 2560x1440 display. It is certainly an ULV processor, but Asus didn't reveal it before Intel keynote. This laptop was amazing and a true contender to the MBA, but the battery life was lacking. This should not be a concern with Haswell. Apple should have something up its sleeve as well.
 
Lunfai said:
I'm not sure, it's really looking unlikely that we can expect a GT3e in the next rMBP. The prices were expensive on the chart that ARCtechnica posted, and presumably work out more expensive then a GT2/3 with a dGPU.
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The prices fall well in line with Intel's existing brackets.
 

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DamoTheBrave said:
Don't know re the air but the mbp can handle 16 can't it?? The non retina mbp can.
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Has nothing to do with whether the CPU package can handle/address more memory. It is everything to do with space inefficiencies of soldering the RAM to the motherboard. It takes up substantialy more horizontal board surface space just to trim off that extra fraction of an inch. The system design trade-off for that kind of thinness is capping the RAM capacity. At least until RAM chip density goes up and can put more memory in the same horizontal space.

so-DIMM cards don't go in vertically, but it is enough of an angle not to blow away so much horizontal footprint space (two sided cards and one card slides in partially under the other). The 15"rMBP just has more horizontal footprint to blow away on this RAM placement scheme.
 
Lunfai said:
I'm just unsure what processors will be packed into them. Hopefully we will find out once intel announces them officially. We should see some though. :)
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I am just going to wait for Computex and WWDC to finish so I can make a purchase decision then. Speculation can only go so far.
 
skaertus said:
Wow, that's really happening! Acer has just announced an updated Aspire S7 ultrabook with Haswell and an optional 2560x1440 display. It is certainly an ULV processor, but Asus didn't reveal it before Intel keynote. This laptop was amazing and a true contender to the MBA, but the battery life was lacking. This should not be a concern with Haswell. Apple should have something up its sleeve as well.
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Yepp. I have prices for those machines too. €999 for s3, €1450 for s7. Although the screen is an upgrade. Eek. I'm going off topic.

I think they will announce them tomorrow, and we'll see final information on Tuesday. However, the laptop is slated to ship in July, but they never release laptops straight off the bat.

(Nope never mind they won't let them thurn the laptop on.....)
 
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Eidorian said:
Perhaps they meant Haswell-E.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/long-li...-a-midterm-refresh-is-on-the-cards/33920.html

SATA Express comes out next year on Z9x.
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Possibly, but imac's were mentioned and that would not be e's.

Sager, some have haswell's now:

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8230-clevo-p151sm1-p-5840.html?wconfigure=yes

Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4700MQ (2.4GHz - 3.4GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache) (SKU – SPU201)

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8230-clevo-p151sm1-p-5840.html
 
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skaertus said:
Thank you for the advice, but, actually, that's not a possibility.
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Excuse my ignorance, but how does this work via eBay? I assume anything purchased on eBay falls under the same tax law as anything shipped outside Brazil, no? I don't even know what taxes are applicable within the U.S. (and internet state tax laws may be changing with Amazon and other online retailers). As eBay constitutes private sales/auctions, I thought perhaps it may be exempt from certain tax codes.
 
bedifferent said:
Excuse my ignorance, but how does this work via eBay? I assume anything purchased on eBay falls under the same tax law as anything shipped outside Brazil, no? I don't even know what taxes are applicable within the U.S. (and internet state tax laws may be changing with Amazon and other online retailers). As eBay constitutes private sales/auctions, I thought perhaps it may be exempt from certain tax codes.
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Perhaps I could get rid of ICMS if I bought through eBay, but I'll certainly have to pay the 60% imports tax. If there was an easy way out, people would certainly use it. The government is aware that people try to bring consumer electronics into the country without paying taxes, and makes every attempt to prevent that from happening.

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Toltepeceno said:
Possibly, but imac's were mentioned and that would not be e's.

Sager, some have haswell's now:

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8230-clevo-p151sm1-p-5840.html?wconfigure=yes

Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4700MQ (2.4GHz - 3.4GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache) (SKU – SPU201)

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8230-clevo-p151sm1-p-5840.html
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Wow, Sager already have them! Haswell is definitely making a splash. It took so long to launch that now everybody wants to put their hands into it as soon as possible.
 
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