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I think the non-retina MBP will continue - even the base cMBP has a 500 gb drive at $1199, and to match that in Retina you would pay $1999 or so.

I would love to get a retina but I really need the 500 gb drive since a new rMBP would slowly replace my aging 2008 iMac 24".

I'm surprised they don't offer the "fusion drive" option on the plain MacBook Pro. Solder 128GB of storage to the motherboard for the OS, and let the internal HDD be entirely optional, along with upgradable RAM. Everybody that knows better adds their own Ram and HDD to the 13" anyway because its almost half Apple's price around the corner at the big box store. It would let Apple keep the price of the plain MacBook lower as well.
 
I hope this is true and the rMBP from last year will get a price drop similar to the current prices of the non retina MBP
 
IIRC the same thing happened on the Sandy Bridge launch, apple actually gets ahead of everybody; shipping 2011 macbook pros even before the official release date. so i guess it COULD happened on the Haswell.

- Both rMBP and MBA lines will be upgraded at WWDC. I have some doubt on that, but everybody seems to take it for granted that Apple will update these two lines of laptops. I'm still not convinced on the availability of specific Haswell processors which are due for each of these laptops, but people (including Kuo) seem to simply ignore this issue, as if all Haswell processors would be readily available the day after Intel launches them. I hope I am wrong and everybody else is right. Let's see..
 
I hope for the good of sales point for apple..they get at least 1080p resolution for Macbook Air and let the Pros have the retina. Or the only model who will make sense will be the 11" for his portability because the 13" air is almost the same with the retina but retina has too much over the air. Last year the Air still got his portability and the better screen than the 13 pro
 
Not saying the retina display isn't nice just that I would rather have 15 hours of battery life than retina and 10 hours
I understand. Personally I'd rather see the form factor of the Retina MBP stay the same and see a bigger battery put in it. But Apple seems to value thinness over such function, as evident by the iPhone 5. :rolleyes:
 
I hope for the good of sales point for apple..they get at least 1080p resolution for Macbook Air and let the Pros have the retina. Or the only model who will make sense will be the 11" for his portability because the 13" air is almost the same with the retina but retina has too much over the air. Last year the Air still got his portability and the better screen than the 13 pro

1080p on a 13" Air would make text, menus, etc. really small.

Apple can't really increase the pixel density without going all the way to retina because of how the scaling works in OSX.

Now a 1440x900 high quality IPS display would be a nice improvement. Resolution aside the Air displays look really washed out and have obviously poor viewing angles when you look at them side by side with the other notebooks.
 
Here's what I'd love to see... kill the current Macbook Pro, have the retina Macbook Pro replace it and just call it Macbook Pro (we know about the retina by now). Rename the air to Macbook (we know its thin by now), and give it retina. Done. From 3 models to 2, a slimmer line-up, and names that are simpler.
 
I'm still rocking my early-2011 15" QCi7 MBP because the 15" retinas don't offer a compelling reason to upgrade. The 13" MBPs - retina or classic - sacrifice too much raw processing power.

I realize I'm a distinct minority ... I keep my MBP tethered to a Thunderbolt display. Except on those rare occasions when it leaves my desk, a retina display isn't of much use to me.

What I would buy - in a heartbeat! - would be a sort of "super-pro" 13" rMBP with a QC i7 processor and discrete graphics capability. I could then replace my 2011 MBP and my 11" MBA, which I use for travel.

I remember years ago when new hardware was something to lust after. As Apple's focus continues to shift to iOS, I imagine lust-worthy hardware upgrades will be few and far between.

To be fair Intel hardware really has been plain for 5-6 years. That's why Core 2 Duo lasted so long (still sold under different names) Intel 3d is absolutely dismal, so any advantage of having "3d worlds" got killed 5 years ago as well. Intel has such a deathgrip on what PC laptops look like there is really no deviation from the "team playbook" unless you go with AMD solutions begging to break out of the box.

A little faster, and a little cheaper is really all they have planned. There's not enough money in the consumer PC game for things most if us have ALREADY used.. Media center never really took off, 3D PC gaming center died with Xbox, thing like built-in "Kinect" or "Siri" that PC has bumbled around with for 20 years really is stuck a decade in the past outside some toy applications. PC is a homogenized appliance, like a fancy calculator... Nobody is willing to put any real effort ($$$) into changing that direction because most buyers aren't using the features included already.
All the exciting stuff is on tablets because there is profit there.
 
13" MBA: Flash storage, i5/i7 processor, Intel HD 4000, 7 hour battery
13" rMBP: Flash storage, i5/i7 processor, Intel HD 4000, 7 hour battery

Aside from small differences in processor clock speeds and the retina display, they are essentially the same laptop.

2x the RAM
 
God damn why can't they make it paper thin. :confused:

Maybe I could get excited; but personally I would rather have a laptop that is 1" thick and can actually act a real workstation on the road; oh my mistake they discontinued the 17", so never mind.

Apple used to be a computer company. They suck donkey balls now. Reverse halo effect for graphic professionals - just wait and see.

-mark
 
Interesting that no one is mentioning the retina display problems that have plagued the rMBP lines. Hopefully, Apple, Samsung and LG will have worked out the kinks that the first gen displays have seen.
 
13" MBA: Flash storage, i5/i7 processor, Intel HD 4000, 7 hour battery
13" rMBP: Flash storage, i5/i7 processor, Intel HD 4000, 7 hour battery

Aside from small differences in processor clock speeds and the retina display, they are essentially the same laptop.

Right, "small differences". Double the RAM; the processors rMBP use optimize performance (M) while the MBA uses the (U) version which sacrifices performance in order to get some more portability.

Don't forget that the integrated graphic card have different benchmarks depending on the processor the computer has. An Intel HD 4000 on a MacBookPro Retina is going to be much more reliable than the same graphics card on a MBA.

Add that to the clock speeds, the retina, as you said and you get a much better computer.


And the deal-breaker for me: the rMBP does not have that horrible basel the MBA has :D
 
Even with a slimmer design? WTF? How could the public ignore such innovation?

Because machines that people have bought 1-2 years ago are more than sufficient for their needs. It's a expensive purchase and I think with the debut of the rMBP, many who wanted the sleek, thin, and gorgeous display have already jumped onto it and upgraded a year go.

I used to upgrade every year/revision but my current mbp I've kept for over 2 years now and haven't seen the need to upgrade because it still benchmarks similarly with what is on the market today. The upgrade would be barley noticeable.
 
I don't understand the dislike for the retina display. I personally think it's gorgeous and worth a few extra bucks. And after looking at it, I can't ever see myself going back to a non-retina screen. :eek:

Its resolving power and colour gamut are indeed highly desirable. The reflective glossy coating however remains a big turnoff for many (myself included).
 
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IIRC the same thing happened on the Sandy Bridge launch, apple actually gets ahead of everybody; shipping 2011 macbook pros even before the official release date. so i guess it COULD happened on the Haswell.

When did that happen?

Sandy Bridge was released in January 2011, and MBPs were released in February, about one month after.
 
no one cares about thinner

Thats why they buy the 13 "air". What they care about is SSD prices and the fact that they need to drop by half at least.
 
Apple has left the cMBP case exactly the same since 2008.

Not quite. In 2009 they changed the original 2008 unibody design for both the 13" and 15" models. 13" became a MacBook Pro (had been just a MacBook) and gained an SD slot and FW 800 and dropped the audio in port, and the 15" traded the ExpressCard slot for an SD slot.
 
When did that happen?

Sandy Bridge was released in January 2011, and MBPs were released in February, about one month after.

I'm not entirely sure, but maybe the mobile chips weren't released at the same time as desktop? Yes I think the Air got the ULV chips a week before official release.
 

Yes, Haswell is out. It's been available since May 27, I guess. Some manufacturers are already announcing machines with Haswell (such as Razer and Asus). However, it has not yet been officially launched by Intel, and that will occur only on Tuesday. Sales of PCs are probably so low that manufacturers can't wait until the official launch...
 
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