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Assume you mean the SB app? Or are you saying this will require an OS update? I assumed it was the app that was disabling it. I thought/think this because I recalled something about the EyeTV app initially allowing 3g streaming.

btw- just asking for clarification- not at all intending to being confrontational.
Yes, the original EyeTV app had an Easter egg that allowed streaming video over 3G (and I can still use it since I've retained the 1.0 version of the app). In fact, EyeTV currently has a website that allows video streaming from your Mac to your iPhone over 3G.
 
If they can't do it ... someone else will. There are a lot of reports that ATT invested last over the last year than their competitors.

What was the point of ATT fighting to be the exclusive carrier if they weren't going to invest in infrastructure to support the device... I guess people underestimated what these devices would do and how fast. So should we allow Comcast and other large providers squelch streaming content because their systems can't handle it?

The point is the ATT attempted to provide a perception that Sling did something to support their current network. Not the case. ATT should have never gone that route if that's not true.

I'll assume you meant to say less not last, and that's a fact I'm well aware of. They where adding 3g to the added spectrum's which wasn't expensive but time consuming. It's not doubt they need extra manpower nation wide.

I guess people expect investing in a wireless infrastructure something that happens over night. I guess it depends on what your talking about. Adding 3g to more markets? Increasing capacity to the denser markets? They all have their own hurdles that have to be overcome and it's one far to fall to discuss off topic in this thread.

Not sure if your last point was directed at me, which was what I already said in several of my earlier post if you had actually read the entire thread.

Fine, if a company holds off data because they can't handle it. JUST SAY IT. AT&T continues to make excuses and blame the app dev's or anyone but themselves. They then try to take credit like they helped Slingmedia develop a proper app?? gtfo AT&T need to focus on building out their network and less time trying to "spin" positive PR, which in this case is 100% lie and then retract it to look like the idiots they are.

As paying customers I don't care what their challenges are, they are making Billions... they can afford to upgrade and expand, they simply don't so they can suck up as much profit while providing "just enough" service not to have a mass exit of customers. AT&T is the only carrier in the world not allowing tethering of the iPhone to my knowledge. This being 8 or 9 months after the announcement by Apple? "Coming soon"? ya right. AT&T will learn pretty quickly why people rate them so low when/if Apple drops the iPhone and iPad on another carrier.

Not sure why you quoted me. Maybe you didn't read this thread, but I already said all that.

Last consumer rating show the big 3 a few point apart, they were all low. Yes, they make billions and it doesn't cost them anything to operate. People need to look at the bigger picture. In your denser markets you have HOA that try to block the adding of towers. In rural areas reception and service is great but the time and money it take to upgrade 100,000 towers takes time. I'm not saying they shouldn't add the manpower to speed up the process, we know people need the work, but I also understand that it will take a number of years because the work isn't easy or quick while not being cheap.
 
Before everyone gets all happy about this change (allowing SlingPlayer over 3G) you better check on your ISP's upstream speed because most cable and DSL services cap upload pretty low in comparison to their download speeds. For example, my Road Runner cable service has well over 10Mbps download but only 350Kbps upload. Thus, the video stream that will be uploading from my SlingBox needs to be well under 350Kbps and that means pretty low-quality video (considering that a high-quality stereo audio feed can be up to 128Kbps by itself). Even EDGE can run faster than 350Kbps so it's little wonder that AT&T has finally realized that SlingPlayer shouldn't be much of a burden on their 3G network (for many if not most of their customers).

AMEN! This so called "news" for most users is moot. At 350kbps its useless.


More interestingly,

I'd like to find out the root answer to these questions... if AT&T killed the sling app early on. It's because of BW at the time. Now they say that they worked with Sling... Sling says that they didn't.... and so on....

Any one remember Google Voice app? Google, AT&T, & Apple... There really seems to be too much he said she said...

So with all this BW issues and BS going on... Still, again as of today I still get crappy connections and dropped calls. for what its worth, I'm just outside of LAX.

How is this going to help in T-minus 90days... that AT&T is up to the task of the iPad? Can anyone answer. No BS replies, hope somebody from AT&T tech Staff can answer. My bet is call quality or 3G service will suffer.
 
AMEN! This so called "news" for most users is moot. At 350kbps its useless.


More interestingly,

I'd like to find out the root answer to these questions... if AT&T killed the sling app early on. It's because of BW at the time. Now they say that they worked with Sling... Sling says that they didn't.... and so on....

Any one remember Google Voice app? Google, AT&T, & Apple... There really seems to be too much he said she said...

So with all this BW issues and BS going on... Still, again as of today I still get crappy connections and dropped calls. for what its worth, I'm just outside of LAX.

How is this going to help in T-minus 90days... that AT&T is up to the task of the iPad? Can anyone answer. No BS replies, hope somebody from AT&T tech Staff can answer. My bet is call quality or 3G service will suffer.

It is unlikely that enough iPads will be activated in any particular location at first to have any effect. The bandwidth used by iPads in the first year will be a tiny fraction of that used by all the other existing iPhones, other smartphones, aircards and netbooks already in any geographic region.
 
Chinese version is still gsm. It just doesn't have wi-fi.... so no they will not build a CDMA version of this phone. just not worth it. Please people drop this subject. It's dead and over. I'm really tired of you folks re-hashing this same pipe dream because whiny Verizon people can't get an iphone. You don't hear anyone saying anything about the exclusivity of other phones to providers like Verizon and Sprint and even T-Mobile. The only reason why people are crying is because they want an iphone. If you dont like AT&T's service and how they do business, don't buy it. Come on people really gotta get a life here!!

Again how much do they stand to gain with making antiquated techonology like CDMA which makes up only 18 percent of the Global market. The other 82% is GSM.

Verizon themeslves are just as bad as AT&T by their blatant false depictions of AT&T's 3g coverage area. It shows poor taste on all sides of this battle to "rule the world". The simultaneous voice and data is annoying and you can say "well i dont care to do that" uhhhh....cause you can't....duh!!!!

Sure AT&T has coverage issues, but they are better than Sprint and T-Mobile and they are obviously scrambling to get their network up to par by the time 4th gen iphone hits also....


Let's just figure when LTE hits all carriers will have the iphone. Then we can all stop complaining.

Again, let me say this so it's clear:

LTE doesn't solve the CDMA problem. CDMA is not going away for at least another 10 maybe 15 years. Why do you ask?

Because phones have to be backwards compatible. So, even when LTE is rolled out under VZW, any phone would STILL need to be CDMA compatible.

That being said, qualcomm and other companies ALREADY have CDMA/GSM chips that do both. Apple would not need to develop 2 types of phones anymore once these are rolled out. Are you saying that Apple would *never* consider going with VZW even with this chipset available?

Apple is not going to wait 10-15 years just to hop on board the LARGEST WIRELESS CARRIER in the UNITED STATES.

Apple going with VZW is an EVENTUALITY. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? Why does it have to be a fanboi battle for everything Apple? Do you really love AT&T that much? Really?

Remember, Apple is in the business of SELLING HARDWARE. Denying going with the LARGEST CARRIER IN THE US prevents them from fully achieving that goal. You can BET that EVENTUALLY VZW (and other U.S. Carriers) will be able to carry the iPhone.

w00master
 
HuH?

What happen to AT&T having no part in the approval process of the an app store item?????

I wonder if the FCC has scene this story.
 
Before everyone gets all happy about this change (allowing SlingPlayer over 3G) you better check on your ISP's upstream speed because most cable and DSL services cap upload pretty low in comparison to their download speeds. For example, my Road Runner cable service has well over 10Mbps download but only 350Kbps upload. Thus, the video stream that will be uploading from my SlingBox needs to be well under 350Kbps and that means pretty low-quality video (considering that a high-quality stereo audio feed can be up to 128Kbps by itself). Even EDGE can run faster than 350Kbps so it's little wonder that AT&T has finally realized that SlingPlayer shouldn't be much of a burden on their 3G network (for many if not most of their customers).

Most cable services? My rural cable is 10/1Mbps or 20/2 for the tiers. They are rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 now with 50/5 in 25% of their market and in a few others 105/10. Basic FIOS is 15/5 up to 50/20. Most people who are interested in sling have more then basic DSL.
 
Apple is not going to wait 10-15 years just to hop on board the LARGEST WIRELESS CARRIER in the UNITED STATES.


w00master

Stop buying into the commercials. Both companies are on equal footing in the size of networks and within a few million in subscribers. If you have $5 in your pocket and I have $6, I'm richer then you, just not by much..
 
Stop buying into the commercials. Both companies are on equal footing in the size of networks and within a few million in subscribers. If you have $5 in your pocket and I have $6, I'm richer then you, just not by much..

I don't need to "buy in the commercials." I've experienced reality, which is that I travel to SF and NYC often. At least 3 or 4 times bi-monthly (or is it bi-weekly? Never get that straight). AT&T service in these 2 cities are truly horrifying.

Now, I will state that I'm from Atlanta. So, I do get the best of AT&T as well. Atlanta is AT&T country, so 3G service is super solid for me. However, seeing it from other city's perspectives, you would think that AT&T would try it's hardest in the largest city in the US with the highest profile: NYC.

w00master
 
Stop buying into the commercials. Both companies are on equal footing in the size of networks and within a few million in subscribers. If you have $5 in your pocket and I have $6, I'm richer then you, just not by much..

By the way, VZW *is* the largest wireless carrier in the U.S. They have the most subscribers - that is what wireless carriers refer to when they use that phrase "largest wireless carrier." AT&T *used* to be the largest until Jan '09 when VZW acquired AllTel.

I wasn't necessarily talkin' about coverage. That's a separate topic.

w00master
 
I don't need to "buy in the commercials." I've experienced reality, which is that I travel to SF and NYC often. At least 3 or 4 times bi-monthly (or is it bi-weekly? Never get that straight). AT&T service in these 2 cities are truly horrifying.

Now, I will state that I'm from Atlanta. So, I do get the best of AT&T as well. Atlanta is AT&T country, so 3G service is super solid for me. However, seeing it from other city's perspectives, you would think that AT&T would try it's hardest in the largest city in the US with the highest profile: NYC.

w00master

By the way, VZW *is* the largest wireless carrier in the U.S. They have the most subscribers - that is what wireless carriers refer to when they use that phrase "largest wireless carrier." AT&T *used* to be the largest until Jan '09 when VZW acquired AllTel.

I wasn't necessarily talkin' about coverage. That's a separate topic.

w00master

A few millions in the almost 200 million between them. Like I said 6 is larger then 5 but 6 isn't hugely bigger then (I was going to use one and two but I'm sure someone would point out that it's twice as big!). I just find it silly to claim to be larger when your just slightly larger.
 
A few millions in the almost 200 million between them. Like I said 6 is larger then 5 but 6 isn't hugely bigger then (I was going to use one and two but I'm sure someone would point out that it's twice as big!). I just find it silly to claim to be larger when your just slightly larger.

So, what you're saying then is when AT&T was larger than VZW, they shouldn't have bothered advertising this? or, the wireless industry to acknowledge this?

It's just a fact, VZW is the largest. No need to get bothered by it. It's just reality.

w00master
 
Most cable services? My rural cable is 10/1Mbps or 20/2 for the tiers. They are rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 now with 50/5 in 25% of their market and in a few others 105/10. Basic FIOS is 15/5 up to 50/20. Most people who are interested in sling have more then basic DSL.
Shall we take a poll? Users just need to try a benchmark site like the following:

http://www.speedtest.net/

I'm sure some or even quite a few users will see upload speeds over my quoted 350Kbps, but there will also be many who have never even considered the fact that uploads will generally run much slower than downloads and with the SlingBox the upload speed is the key.

Here is the breakdown for national Road Runner service (from Wikipedia):

Lite - 768 Kbps/128 Kbps
Basic - 1.5 Mbps/384 Kbps
Standard with Power Boost - 7 Mbps/512 Kbps (bursts: 10 Mbps/512 Kbps)
Turbo with Power Boost - 15 Mbps/756 Kbps (bursts: 25 Mbps/1 Mbps)
Extreme - 30 Mbps/5 Mbps (bursts: 50 Mbps/5 Mbps)
Thus, you'd need Turbo with Power Boost or perhaps even Extreme to even begin to make use of 3G speeds (upload).
 
Before everyone gets all happy about this change (allowing SlingPlayer over 3G) you better check on your ISP's upstream speed because most cable and DSL services cap upload pretty low in comparison to their download speeds.

Just used Speakeasy.net/speedtest and got great results
16997kbps Down and 4225kbps UP

Love Verizon FIOS

Chris
 
are you guys seriously ragging on Sling for this?

Imagine you built an App 1 year ago and spent a bunch of money making it good and making it work for the App Store.

Then AT&T blocks your App because it doesn't meet their network "guidelines" that aren't published anywhere.

Then a year later AT&T finally decides to allow your App to function as intended, and instead of saying "we are going to allow Sling now" they say "Sling changed their software to work better with our network".

If I were Sling, I'd be setting the record straight, too.
 
It is unlikely that enough iPads will be activated in any particular location at first to have any effect. The bandwidth used by iPads in the first year will be a tiny fraction of that used by all the other existing iPhones, other smartphones, aircards and netbooks already in any geographic region.

iPad's- true 1st year adoption. but you missed both points.

#1 its a he said she said topic per sling vs apple. google vs at&t vs apple.

#2 its already a taxed system, with the addition of bw demand from sling and iPad, how can at&t step up to the already taxed system?
 
From Engadget. Seems that AT&T wasn't exactly making things up. I'm not sure what Slings motive here was to be honest. Who cares if you did or didn't make changes with or without ATT. What matters is that your app(Sling's) app got much more appealing to some number of people.

Update: Sling just called us to clarify the above statements -- while it didn't make any specific changes to iPhone SlingPlayer, its engineers did work with AT&T to make sure the app didn't interfere with other customers and clog up the network. Sling says that once AT&T was involved in the testing process and "saw how the app worked," things went smoothly, and that the app was "refined" to meet AT&T network requirements -- refinements we were told would come to other platforms over time. Sounds good to us, although we're still wondering why this wasn't the party line in the first place.
 
Shall we take a poll? Users just need to try a benchmark site like the following:

http://www.speedtest.net/

I'm sure some or even quite a few users will see upload speeds over my quoted 350Kbps, but there will also be many who have never even considered the fact that uploads will generally run much slower than downloads and with the SlingBox the upload speed is the key.

Here is the breakdown for national Road Runner service (from Wikipedia):


Thus, you'd need Turbo with Power Boost or perhaps even Extreme to even begin to make use of 3G speeds (upload).

I'm not sure what type of quality you are looking for. It's not HD, not 720P, it's viewable. You keep talking about upload, which is important, however do you even know the Kbps needed for slinging? I could be mistaken but if I remember its 500. Video looks fine at lower than 350. Do you even own a sling 'cause from the way your talking you sound like a theorist, not a user.
 
So, what you're saying then is when AT&T was larger than VZW, they shouldn't have bothered advertising this? or, the wireless industry to acknowledge this?

It's just a fact, VZW is the largest. No need to get bothered by it. It's just reality.

w00master

I believe it was silly when both did it. So your saying if for a second that AT&T could gain one more sub then VZ that they should claim to be the biggest?

Shall we take a poll? Users just need to try a benchmark site like the following:

http://www.speedtest.net/

I'm sure some or even quite a few users will see upload speeds over my quoted 350Kbps, but there will also be many who have never even considered the fact that uploads will generally run much slower than downloads and with the SlingBox the upload speed is the key.

Here is the breakdown for national Road Runner service (from Wikipedia):


Thus, you'd need Turbo with Power Boost or perhaps even Extreme to even begin to make use of 3G speeds (upload).

Yes, I know what speedtest.net is. Most people how are really into sling don't go cheap on their internet connection. The question for AT&T was never how much of our bandwidth we can use it, it was how much of theirs we would use up. Your point is moot if we cap our uploads we would be adding to AT&T total needed capacity. Yes, some would not be pulling 3g's full speed because their uploads at home are low, it's still content that was having to go over AT&T's before.
 
iPad's- true 1st year adoption. but you missed both points.

#1 its a he said she said topic per sling vs apple. google vs at&t vs apple.

#2 its already a taxed system, with the addition of bw demand from sling and iPad, how can at&t step up to the already taxed system?

I don't know what you're saying - the words make no sense.

In any event I was responding to:

How is this going to help in T-minus 90days... that AT&T is up to the task of the iPad? Can anyone answer. No BS replies, hope somebody from AT&T tech Staff can answer. My bet is call quality or 3G service will suffer.

This clearly asks if the release of iPad with 3G in 3 months will cause AT&T's service to further degrade. My answer, which I maintain is correct, is no it won't.
 
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