Snow Leopard - massive anti-climax and proof Apple are faultering

[NT1440]

I have hugely enjoyed this thread, i have not laughed so much in ages. But one thing is disturbing me fanboys......Not one of you complained about what I said about Steve Jobs not wanting to kiss you.......I really thought that was a masterpiece

Did you really just quote yourself to give yourself praise?

 

[benlee]

i wanted to get the 2g when it first came out... but it was not available where i was at that time.

i held out on the 3g as well and am now with a 3gs (we have something in common then!) which was why i said the 3gs outsold the 3g (obviously not the only reason).

I guess as apple people we do want apple to give us something special everytime. I know thats not realistic at all but its good to know we can depend on apple for that to a certain extent.

I really only wished that the iphone 3gs had a front facing camera so i could vblog and upload/video journals. That would have been great. No doubt be it 2g, 3g or the 3gs, it being a software platform is by far one of the best phones out there. Its just that the jumps that apple took to get from one to the other was bit frustrating for us holding out for a new phone.

You're one of the few rational posters in this thread. Thanks for that.

I only appear rational.

I see that you are a newbie to the forum and I don't know how long you may have been lurking before you signed up, but after you are here for a while you will notice that after every new product announcement there are a slew of threads like this, which complain about the product and then swear off Apple products. However, they do so on this forum, where honestly we pretty much know what is going to be released before it is released. Yet there is always the disappointment.

These same people expect so much from Apple (which is probably partly Apple's fault) and then when the exact or perfect product they were expecting isn't released, they get all pissed off and post a thread like this one. Then the comments follow a similar path as this thread.

My posts in this thread have mostly been to point out that those defending Apple, or more so putting down the OP for his post, are not really being fanboys as others sticking up for the OP are suggesting. Its just that we are sick of posts that complain about a product, especially one like SL whose features were available before the product was, and then say it is the "last straw, etc." These posters are more likely fanboys. Why not take each product on its own and if you want it, buy it, and if not, then don't buy it. It is simple as that.

Now specific complaints about bugs or opinions about what should have been done are more accepted. And this forum is great for help with specific problems. But what was the OP trying to do with his thread, other than stir up some commotion?

Anyways, off subject a bit, do you think you will be compelled to buy the 4th generation iPhone, assuming it will be a "more significant" update?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Did you really just quote yourself to give yourself praise?

This thread is full of fail and masturbation (not the sexy kind, just ego stroking).


You can almost hear the fap...

 

[cjmillsnun]

I have to admit I for one am disappointed with SL at the moment.

The problem being that there is virtually nothing ready right now that uses the new technologies (specifically GCD and OpenCL), meaning right now it is difficult to see any advantage. In about 6 months there will be a massive advantage as programs start to come online that are re-coded to take advantage of what SL offers, and then I suspect my disappointment will fade away.

That said, however this isn't a service pack and Mr Frosty who comments that MS wouldn't get away with it forgot about the monstrosity that was Windows ME. Or indeed Windows '98. Neither were enough of an improvement over Windows '95 to be more than a "service pack". Windows 7 is in fact pretty much Vista with a lot of bugs ironed out. It appears a bigger jump because the foundation being sured up has brought Windows up to the standard it should have been.

So this time I think both Apple and MS are offering an incremental improvement on their platforms. It's less noticeable on Apple's side because Leopard was so good to begin with.

 

[mrfrosty]

We don't need to comment or complain about what you are writing. It's amusing enough for us to watch you trying to make out with yourself what with resurrecting crap you wrote a day ago to try to get more attention.

Stop being so serious.

 

[sidewinder]

The problem being that there is virtually nothing ready right now that uses the new technologies (specifically GCD and OpenCL), meaning right now it is difficult to see any advantage. In about 6 months there will be a massive advantage as programs start to come online that are re-coded to take advantage of what SL offers, and then I suspect my disappointment will fade away.

People forget that often technologies have to be present in release software BEFORE developers find the time or justification to put effort into writing apps that take advantage of those technologies.

S-

 

[cmaier]

People forget that often technologies have to be present in release software BEFORE developers find the time or justification to put effort into writing apps that take advantage of those technologies.

S-

It's not their falt! Fault? One of those. Sorry I'm falt-fault-ering.

 

[sonspot]

I don't know what in my post was "almighty ignorant slob," but its sad that you can't have a discussion on a forum without personally insulting the other individual.

I'm not attacking your opinion and I never called the OP a troll. My only point is that you do not have to spend that $9 or $129. You knew or should have known that there were no visual enhancements. So if it wasn't worth more than $9 or whatever to you, then you shouldn't have spent your hard earned money.

I don't think SL is an amazing new OS, but I knew what I was buying and thought, and still think, it was worth the $29. Of course, I'm an ignorant slob so take what I say with a grain of salt, but really good pretentious, almighty salt.

dont take it personal, didnt mean to go after you personally, truthfully i dont really care, am new to mac and wont see any advantage with the new OS that i still think should have been a SP but thats just my opinion, doesnt mean am right.. truthfully am tired of companies not delivering, thats were the i work hard for my comes in.

am not complaining about SL itself, just people picking on someone having a complaint, guess i should have separated them..

 

[Richard1028]

I have a problem with the comment about antivirus. I don't care what operating system you are using you need a good antivirus program if you are going to be online. OS X is not immune to viruses,

Can I see a show of hands from all those OSX users who have ever been inflicted with a "virus"?

<crickets chirping>

<owls hooting>

<tumbleweeds blowing>

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Don't waste your time Ed. Just use your mac.

 

[Wotan31]

Add this to the fact that this year I've also bought a MBP with a glossy screen that I didn't want (but had no choice)

Right, I'm sure Steve Jobs put a gun to your head and forced you to buy it. Quit yer whining. If you're so tired of Apple, go buy something else. What makes you think anyone gives a crap about your pissing and moaning?

 

[After G]

Don't waste your time Ed. Just use your mac.

Don't think it's a waste of time to protect other users ... just saying.

 

[muttonhead411]

I only appear rational.


Anyways, off subject a bit, do you think you will be compelled to buy the 4th generation iPhone, assuming it will be a "more significant" update?

i would be tempted, definitely. But i have a feeling i'm gonna also feel that the 4th gen iphone should have been the 3gs.

 

[damian001]

Jeez, there sure is a huge list of fanboys up in here. I agree with some of the OP's points. But come on, he isn't trolling. His points are actually legit.

1. He didn't mention anything about Linux or Windows, so don't tell him to "go back to his PC."
2. I agree on his criticism on the glossy screen. Last year, all the regulars at MacRumors were pretty upset that they stopped offering the "matte" option. Atleast Apple brought it back, the only downside is that you have to pay $50 extra and its only available on the 15" and 17" models.
3. Snow Leopard was a bit overhyped. I like a few of the features, but I really hate what they did with Expose and I wish there was a way to get the previous performance back in 10.5.x
4. His views on the iPod line are agreeable. They're really just adding a camera. Other iPod revisions in the past were more heavily involved in making a completely redesigned model.
5. Vista > 7 seems much more heavily redesigned than Leopard > Snow Leopard. (But then again, Vista wasn't much to begin with )

 

[elppa]

Jeez, there sure is a huge list of fanboys up in here. I agree with some of the OP's points. But come on, he isn't trolling. His points are actually legit.

3. Snow Leopard was a bit overhyped. I like a few of the features, but I really hate what they did with Expose and I wish there was a way to get the previous performance back in 10.5.x

I'm not too sure about this, obviously it may vary on use case, but to me Snow Leopard seems faster and more responsive. I actually like the new Exposé. There are at least eight benefits over the previous version, which I have posted on another thread.

4. His views on the iPod line are agreeable. They're really just adding a camera. Other iPod revisions in the past were more heavily involved in making a completely redesigned model.

If they only add a camera… It's a big if. As we all know, Apple is very good at secrecy, keeping things under wraps and not showing their hand.

 

[sonspot]

If they only add a camera… It's a big if. As we all know, Apple is very good at secrecy, keeping things under wraps and not showing their hand.

hopefully SL is not a example, no secret goodies there, anyhow its about time we put this thread to rest..

 

[mixel]

People's obsession with "visual improvement" is frustrating.

SL is not like any service pack I'm aware of..

How are a complete rearrangement and upgrade to Spaces/Expose, a totally new look for Quicktime, a load of additions to how icons are handled/previewed, a massive clear-up of the "services" functionality and changes to the Dock etc not "visual improvement" - you're asking for changes to the persistent elements of the UI? The only things ON the screen are the menubar and dock.. And Apps! The apps aren't tied to osX's release cycle.

What could they possibly do? Completely reskinning would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater at this stage, building a good foundation is much more important. I cant understand anyone being disappointed with SL tbh unless they're looking for problems. What is there not to like? It looks and functions near identically to the previously best looking operating system on the market*, just shinier? THE HUMANITY! Why do you need to completely redesign something that's great already?

* obviously debatable.

 

[benlee]

Jeez, there sure is a huge list of fanboys up in here. I agree with some of the OP's points. But come on, he isn't trolling. His points are actually legit.

He may not be trolling, but his points aren't really that legit and don't particularly warrant an entire thread, although it has brought a lengthy discussion. I understand they are his opinion, but did he expect people to just agree with him? Not sure if he was trolling or not, but he had to expect some disagreement, which is fun.

1. He didn't mention anything about Linux or Windows, so don't tell him to "go back to his PC."

He said this was the last straw for him with Apple, so not sure what else he would use.

3. Snow Leopard was a bit overhyped. I like a few of the features, but I really hate what they did with Expose and I wish there was a way to get the previous performance back in 10.5.x

Not sure who overhyped it. Apple sure didn't. They announced the release date a week before availability with no release party. Are you surprised people on a Mac forum were excited about a new OS release?

4. His views on the iPod line are agreeable. They're really just adding a camera. Other iPod revisions in the past were more heavily involved in making a completely redesigned model.

This we don't know for sure. Besides, even if they only add a camera, what else do you want?

5. Vista > 7 seems much more heavily redesigned than Leopard > Snow Leopard. (But then again, Vista wasn't much to begin with )

Go buy Vista then

I didn't address #2 (Matte Screens) because I couldn't come up with anything to challenge it.

 

[cmaier]

4. His views on the iPod line are agreeable. They're really just adding a camera. Other iPod revisions in the past were more heavily involved in making a completely redesigned model.

I seem to remember several times when all that changed was the shape and the choice of colors. Adding a camera would be quite a change.

 

[Sun Baked]

Hey, who gives a crap about boot times.

Since I boot at most a couple times a month, a 10-20 second savings here or there every month is meaningless.

I care more about important things, like stability, nominal improvements in application speed, and savings on drive space.

Really, this isn't Windows, where boot times actually factor into the time it takes to finish a project.

 

[cmaier]

Hey, who gives a crap about boot times.

Since I boot at most a couple times a month, a 10-20 second savings here or there every month is meaningless.

I care more about important things, like stability, nominal improvements in application speed, and savings on drive space.

Really, this isn't Windows, where boot times actually factor into the time it takes to finish a project.

Except owners of dual graphics macbook pros have to reboot whenever they switch from the 9600 to the 9400M and back. Which, by the way, is dumb.

 

[bartzilla]

Get a PC. Get Windows. Enjoy. The rest of us will happily continue with Apple and OS X.

Oh. Don't forget to install a really good Antivirus on Windows - or you will get some nasty surprises. Hope you also enjoy Windows Updates - you'll get a healthy dose of those each and every month.



Also. It's 'faltering' and not 'faultering'

The comments that anyone who criticises Apple in the slightest should "get a PC" and enjoy the antivirus stuff is one of the most attractive traits of the macmac fanbois on any Apple forum.

Humour me for a moment, please, and explain why Windows Update is bad but Apple Software Update is somehow better? I've seen updates on that monthly for one thing or another for some time now, just as I have on Windows Update.

I'm not sure I agree with what the OP is saying, I think they're under-rating the 3GS considerably for example, but they're entitled to their opinion.

 

[mixel]

Except owners of dual graphics macbook pros have to reboot whenever they switch from the 9600 to the 9400M and back. Which, by the way, is dumb.

I thought we only had to log out/in, not a full reboot..? Shows how much I use that feature. XD

 

[cmaier]

I thought we only had to log out/in, not a full reboot..? Shows how much I use that feature. XD

Actually - beats me. Now that I think about it, I've never even done it since my wife has the MBP with the dual graphics. I don't even know what it defaults to. Since she's not a gamer, I guess it doesn't much matter.

 

[Maury]

You have a way of making generalized statements based on information pulled out of thin air, I must say.

Clearly the loads of people asking for XP downgrades, asking for extended XP support and all the netbooks still running XP are a proof that you are the few people who don't either know what they are talking about or don't know how to run a computer? No?

Huh? I said "OS X is generally more stable than XP". You said "Well people like XP better than Vista". What exactly are you trying to get across here? I can't figure it out.

Maury