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Super, those of us that need security in an OS and are stuck with the fundamental insecurity of Versions can just use FileVaul... Oh, wait.

Phazer

You would have the exact same problem had you used Truecrypt or BitLocker, as the article clearly states the $1000 tool works on those as well.
 
Please look at ads on Craigslist where people are selling computers at inflated prices just because there is expensive software on them.

On Snow Leopard, only your home folder is encrypted, so the Applications folder isn't affected.

Besides, do you really think a common thief can set up cracking software, hook your Mac up to it, use it properly, then actually know what to do with the encryption key? Please. They're more likely to wipe the HD so the police wouldn't know it was stolen.
 
What PPC apps are people still running that can't be upgraded (serious question, not meant to be sarcastic)?

It seems to me that all main stream consumer apps have a Lion compatible version (e.g. Office). Also, if you're hardware-limited, can't install Lion, and absolutely must use a program (e.g. business apps) it's time to buy new hardware and migrate to newer software anyways. Maybe there are some scenarios I'm missing.
As mentioned above, Quicken 2007 is one of those applications.

There's a newer application called Quicken Essentials for Mac, but it only has a subset of the functionality of Quicken 2007 so it's not a valid upgrade path for most users.

Quicken 2007 users are stuck indefinitely booting Snow Leopard until A.) Intuit improves Quicken Essentials to the point where migrating makes sense, B.) Mint.com is improved to the point where desktop software is no longer necessary, or C.) a third-party desktop application is good enough to migrate to.
 
This is a tragedy. Apple is destroying the wealth of data and applications that came before. The modern computers have the hardware processing capacity to continue emulating PPC, 68K, OS9, etc. Even the oldest iPhone or iPodTouch has the power to handle this in emulation. There are a tremendous number of applications for those in the educational and small business fields as well as games. These were never ported to OSX or iOS. Apple should work hard to support this older software. It would expand their market and benefit consumers.

Speak it preacher!
 
What PPC apps are people still running that can't be upgraded (serious question, not meant to be sarcastic)?

It seems to me that all main stream consumer apps have a Lion compatible version (e.g. Office). Also, if you're hardware-limited, can't install Lion, and absolutely must use a program (e.g. business apps) it's time to buy new hardware and migrate to newer software anyways. Maybe there are some scenarios I'm missing.

All that just to give Apple free pass for crappy QA? A tiny bit unreasonable don't you think? :rolleyes:
 
You know what else is a band-aid? Still using PowerPC apps on your Intel Mac.

Holy cow, people (who still do this.) It's time to upgrade. Actually, it was time to upgrade several years ago. We're talking 5+ years with Intel-only now.

I understand if the PowerPC app doesn't have an Intel version. That sucks, but so does the developer of the software. ButI if you're running an old version of Photoshop, upgrade.

With all that said– Apple should really make sure things like this don't occur. People who have a need for Rosetta stick with Snow Leopard because they HAVE to. So, regardless of why they do it, it still shouldn't break for them.
 
Apple should just draw a line in the sand, already. Any powerPC software will no longer be supported. I don't want to see them follow Redmond's policy of supporting all legacy apps. Stay nimble.

This isn't a matter of supporting or not supporting. It is a matter of breaking working applications. First, it is quite bizarre why a security update would do such a thing in the first place. Second, it should be quite obvious that a large number of people running Snow Leopard today do so because they _need_ Rosetta. There will be people who bought a new Mac and keep an old one around just for Rosetta apps. And third, _if_ a security update breaks Rosetta, then Snow Leopard users _should be told_ about it _before_ they install the update. Just like users were told that Lion would break Rosetta.


What PPC apps are people still running that can't be upgraded (serious question, not meant to be sarcastic)?

I'll give you an extreme example: In 1984, I wrote a highly specialised application for some company. It ran on a Mac with 128 KB of RAM with a floppy disk drive; the computer cost more than a high end MacPro would cost today. It had a very limited function. However, that very limited function reduced one task that one person in that company was doing from about 4 hours every day to 1 hour, so they saved 3/8ths of one persons salary, year after year. If their Mac kept running (which I doubt, it is almost 30 years), that application would still do exactly the same job and would still save one person 3 hours every day; more if the company has been growing in those 28 years.

If they wanted to upgrade the software, they have the source code, so they would have to hire someone and pay them to upgrade. But that would be much more expensive, and it wouldn't actually gain them anything.
 
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My dad's in this boat right now. I can't think of any reason he needs Lion EXCEPT for iCloud. So I'm trying to find suitable replacements for the PPC apps he uses all so he can move from MobileMe to iCloud. Lame.

I'm in the same position as your dad.
 
I need Rosetta too. I'm glad I read this. I will definitely wait before applying any updates.

I sure wish Apple would make Rosetta work in Lion so I could upgrade.
 
Yeah, it doesn't work if your database has anything more than the basics.

That's pretty much what we're doing, but it requires massive, massive fixing. Basically, not much better than just manually copy-pasting everything.

I've never understood why this sort of translation is so hard, but apparently it is.

Bento and Appleworks were most likely independently written internally and probably have pretty different feature sets given that they were written at very different times.

I'd actually think that it's more likely that you could migrate from Appleworks Databases to Filemaker Pro databases easier because both were in development in the same time frame.

(I've used FMPro and Bento before, and used to use Appleworks for a word processor and spreadsheet, but not a database. So I'm unfamiliar with the Appleworks database feature.)

EDIT: I just tried making a Appleworks DB and it does seem a lot like an ancient version of FMPro. Although I'm not quite sure what kind of fixing you have to do if you import the data into a more modern app? Layouts I presume?
 
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This is why I run Lion on my newer MBP and Leopard on my Mirror-Drive G4.

I can still play Age of Empires.
 
Oh Dear Apple...

Well Apple, you have done it again. Once again pissed over your customers. Just add that to the list of things they have done over past couple years to piss off Mac OSX users.

Me and a lot of users were having a very heated discussion about this sort of attitude Apple have taken recently in the forum about Airport 6 update downgrade.

Well i better update the Open Letter to Tim Cook to include this now...
Probably more signatures as well...
 
This is a tragedy. Apple is destroying the wealth of data and applications that came before.


Oh please, stop acting like a damn victim. Yes, this bug is bad and Apple's QC should have caught it, but sensationalist posts like yours just piss me off. A "tragedy"? Really? The holocaust was a tragedy. This is just business and progress.

The modern computers have the hardware processing capacity to continue emulating PPC, 68K, OS9, etc.

Right, let's go ahead and forget development costs to maintain all that old emulation. Things don't just magically work. You can't just develop it once and call it good. And who honestly uses 68K or OS 9 anymore? Hell, even PPC Macs are a dinosaur at this point. The Intel transition began a long time ago. Stop acting like it's something new that Apple just threw on poor helpless developers. Just because hardware CAN do something doesn't mean it should. A modern PC can run Windows 95, 98, 2K, XP, but should they? No, because they're old outdated dinosaurs.

There are a tremendous number of applications for those in the educational and small business fields as well as games. These were never ported to OSX or iOS. Apple should work hard to support this older software. It would expand their market and benefit consumers.

When was it ever Apple's job to maintain those applications? Yes, there are a tremendous amount of old applications for OS 9 and PPC. But, again, OS 9 got killed off a very long time ago and even PPC Macs are ancient. You really want these old applications to continue? Then bitch at the developers who either were too lazy to bother porting their stuff to work with Intel-based Macs or just didn't feel like continuing it for whatever reason.

Again, Apple made it extremely clear in 2006 (around the time the first Intel Macs came about) that they were moving away from PPC. 2006. That is a long time in the computer world. Apple was very lenient with old applications and gave developers plenty of time to make the transition.
 
AppleWorks fixed

The patch fixed the AppleWorks issue on my Mac (Core i7, 10.6.8, AppleWorks 6.2.9). It was crashing when I attempted to save. Now the problem is resolved.
 
This is a tragedy. Apple is destroying the wealth of data and applications that came before.

Most of which have been replaced. Not sure what you mean by "data", though. Most of which can be saved and/or transferred to more modern applications. Apple hasn't "destroyed" my old documents.

All this sentimentality is getting me real misty-eyed, guys. Oh, woe is me . . . I can't run ClarisWorks 2 anymore.

In any event, Apple will fix this, and you can have your dinosaurs back. "Tragedy" averted. LOL

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Well Apple, you have done it again. Once again pissed over your customers. Just add that to the list of things they have done over past couple years to piss off Mac OSX users.

The ones still clinging to Rosetta? You could probably fit them all into a single cruise-ship lifeboat.
 
Most of which have been replaced. Not sure what you mean by "data", though. Most of which can be saved and/or transferred to more modern applications. Apple hasn't "destroyed" my old documents.

All this sentimentality is getting me real misty-eyed, guys. Oh, woe is me . . . I can't run ClarisWorks 2 anymore.

In any event, Apple will fix this, and you can have your dinosaurs back. "Tragedy" averted. LOL

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The ones still clinging to Rosetta? You could probably fit them all into a single cruise-ship lifeboat.

To be honest mate, i would put it out there that Lion upgrade and the discontinued support of Rosetta is probably the largest split in the OSX User base.

Apple has been (until recently) very good at keeping at least 90% of users on the latest OS. Probably higher.

Lion certainly isn't all that great compared to SL to be honest. As a developer nothing has really changed. Now breaking Rosetta in SL, will probably mean people won't upgrade, leaving them even further behind.

And don't through a lame excuse like "partition to run it". Apple preach coherent practicality and usability and they are totally ****ing it up. Having to partition a Mac to run 2 versions of the OSX system to run certain applications... who would of thought it right?

Apple on this and other subjects are just being dicks for the sake of it now. Pissing customers off. Simple.

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Apple on this and other subjects are just being dicks for the sake of it now. Pissing customers off. Simple.

Look, I'm all for saying Apple Q&A failed to catch this one and it deserves a good flaming, but to call Apple dicks over an obvious bug is ludicrous.

Really people, this is obviously not something that happened on purpose.
 
Also...

The ones still clinging to Rosetta? You could probably fit them all into a single cruise-ship lifeboat.

On this note. Your notion would be to shoot anyone holding you back?

They are clinging, because they need to, can't afford to restructure and waiting for software developers to get to grips and update.

Shooting those who are "clinging" is a SURE way to piss these customers off and create the sort of sentiment against Apple your seeing over past few months.

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Look, I'm all for saying Apple Q&A failed to catch this one and it deserves a good flaming, but to call Apple dicks over an obvious bug is ludicrous.

Really people, this is obviously not something that happened on purpose.

Haha, they have shown they don't care about Rosetta. Otherwise it would be in Lion. Or give people the "Option" (That would be the day).

They are clearly sniping people off SL.
 
On this note. Your notion would be to shoot anyone holding you back?

They are clinging, because they need to, can't afford to restructure and waiting for software developers to get to grips and update.

Fear not, your ancient copy of Quicken or whatever will be up and running in no time.

Shooting those who are "clinging" is a SURE way to piss these customers off and create the sort of sentiment against Apple your seeing over past few months.


You mean *this* sentiment?

http://mashable.com/2012/01/24/apple-quarter-by-the-numbers/

Record sales in virtually everything. Again. And this isn't the Wintel model. No universal licensing served here.

So who exactly is pissed off again?

Evolve, already. I'm surprised you haven't kept your old PowerMacs to run all that memorabilia on.
 
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ACT 6.0 which is ancient still runs on Windows 7 btw. Your problem your problems are from your change of software versions and not the OS.

I was comparing the transitions of moving from one system to another system and the difficluty doing so. The only mentions of OS transitions was XP to & (which we are not engaging in solely because of the amount of workload involved). I was not talking about software versions at all - I was talking about different products. Overall my point was that migrating to a new system or program can be tough - even if it within the same software vendor.
 
Photoshop CS2 & Dreamweaver 8 can't save

I noticed Photoshop CS2 and Dreamweaver 8 are crashing since the update.
When I try to save in Photoshop or save for web the application crashes.
Dreamweaver 8 crashes when I try to insert an image in a document.
I realize this programs are a bit old but Apple should have warned people that the update would crash and cause problems with applications that run on Rosetta.

I would love to upgrade to newer versions and even Lion except that the programs worked fine but were just slow to launch. The new version of Photoshop is roughly $500, Dreamweaver is roughly $400. Quicken 7 - there is no really suitable upgrade for Lion.

Does anyone know if Apple is really going to issue an update to fix this or should I reinstall Mac OS X 10.6 and skip installing the latest patch?
 
I run the original Adobe CS and upgrading to Lion would ruin that. I don't see paying $200 for the academic edition and waiting several years for it to download worth the upgrade to Lion.

If all you do is make "funny pictures," there are plenty of options, from the free Seashore to Pixelmator. Upgrading is sometimes painful, but it's doable.

Whoa. Thats really consumer friendly.

Since when has Apple cared about backward compatibility? They didn't have to support Power PC software at all, but they created Rosetta to ease the transition, just as they had created Classic mode to ease the transition to OSX. They allow people a certain length of time to adjust. But at some point, they have to leave it behind if they want to move forward.
 
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