Seconded; what are they talking about? The UI is already unified, the whole system already looks like iTunes and Aqua, with the exception of scrollbars and some buttons, has been dead since October 2007. So.. huh?
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Snow Leopard to Bring Unifying 'Marble' User Interface?
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Seconded; what are they talking about? The UI is already unified, the whole system already looks like iTunes and Aqua, with the exception of scrollbars and some buttons, has been dead since October 2007. So.. huh?
I suspect one day scroll bars as we know them won't even be needed as more contextual gestures make their way in to the system. I haven't used them in ages, I use mouse ball or fingers on a track pad.
Windows NT 4 and Mac OS 9 had "quiet" interfaces in that widgets weren't pointlessly and distractingly decorated. OS X has been gaudy since the last decent-looking pre-Aqua release around DR2.
As for Leopard, black text on medium/dark grey is simply hard to read. And why are my already obscured window titles and Safari tab text even harder to discern when they belong to the foreground window?
Agreed. I never use them, they take up space. Get rid of them or at least let us turn them off.
Since when has any OS X release been a "complete revamp" ? They are re-writing a lot of stuff in Cocoa, optimising it and adding new functionality (i.e. OpenCL).
It isn't Leopard 2.0 either.
I guess that is why Apple is updating the GUI - for the simple minded people who only buy an OS upgrade if it has some new "eye candy"
Illuminous
Sounds like the "Illuminous" rumor that was discussed before the Leopard release all over again.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/259825/
Let's hope that this time it will happen...
Sounds like the "Illuminous" rumor that was discussed before the Leopard release all over again.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/259825/
Let's hope that this time it will happen...
How the heck would you know how long a webpage is then? I say "keep 'em" but, change their appearance... they still look like 10.0. They haven't changed at ALL since 10.0!
Snow Leopard makes even more sense with this news. Think about it. A leopard in a different color? It'll even be faster, oh my.
Ditch the scrollbars thirded
totally agree.... they're only good to tell you how far down a screen you are. This could be optimized and made more useful at the same time. I'm thinking of an arrow like slider thumb that sits off the edge of the window and disappears when you're not scrolling the screen (autohide). Put a ratio using text on it ie: 15/34 to indicate what screen you are on with an option to show what 'page' you are on for page based applications.
For the diehard scroll-draggers who like to zip up and down a screen, they can still click-hold to drag the thumb.
totally agree.... they're only good to tell you how far down a screen you are. This could be optimized and made more useful at the same time. I'm thinking of an arrow like slider thumb that sits off the edge of the window and disappears when you're not scrolling the screen (autohide). Put a ratio using text on it ie: 15/34 to indicate what screen you are on with an option to show what 'page' you are on for page based applications.
For the diehard scroll-draggers who like to zip up and down a screen, they can still click-hold to drag the thumb.
I don't use them much directly, but that doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose. They're an indicator of position as well as the ability to scroll in the first place. I could see them becoming smaller or replaced by a different indicator, but not completely removed in concept.
I suppose the iPhone does a pretty good job of indicating these things without a constantly visible scrollbar, but discoverability is better on iPhone due to limited controls on the screen to begin with.
The same way you do on Safari for the iPhone. When you scroll (or hover your mouse near the side of the screen) a thin rounded rectangle will overlay over the side of the screen.
Okay, going from Tiger to Leopard.
We got a new Dock, slight UI change and Spaces along with Time Machine. That's the main features (out of the "300"). Time Machine was a huge addition - but to warrant an upgrade?
Going with your logic, Leopard should be called Javan Tiger (or any other type of Tiger for that matter).
I guess people would much rather have "eye candy" rather than security, performance enhances and efficiency.
A new look and feel would be nice, but ultimately I like the idea behind Snow Leopard. Rather than cramming bells and whistles into the code, just spend some time to refine, optimize and squash long standing bugs.
I'll buy it.
Right after the rest of you early adopters suffer the pain of the early bugs!
I'll buy it.
Right after the rest of you early adopters suffer the pain of the early bugs!
iPhone scrollbars anyone?
How about like on the iPhone? They only show up as a small line when scrolling and automagically resize as you scroll to give a sense of distance and length of the page. Non-intrusive, useful, and don't waste space.
How about like on the iPhone? They only show up as a small line when scrolling and automagically resize as you scroll to give a sense of distance and length of the page. Non-intrusive, useful, and don't waste space.
I've been thinking somewhat along those lines myself. From the start, Apple said 10.6 would be a "behind the scenes" tweaking of 10.5, which in my mind is not a "full upgrade," just as a Windows SP2 or 3 is not.
That said, I suspect Apple will (have to) charge at least a nominal fee to 10.5 users since they did not announce 10.6 as a service pack or 10.5 update. It's advertised as an "upgrade." $130 would be crazy and if they did charge that then no one can rightfully moan about Windows upgrade pricing. My hope is that Apple will price it under $30 for existing 10.5 users. If not I suspect most people will just wait until they buy a new machine.
Do you really want it to go back to OS 9 style? Really?
I'm thinking it'll look more quicklook
There were no UI changes the last time I checked and there definitely isn't a beta easily available as you suggest.
I didn't read the last two pages of posts because that's a lot of reading...so maybe someone already brought this up but...
I don't really care about the "look" of aqua or the dated feel of theme or any of that. How about they just fix the part where it's slow? Vista uses the graphics card and everything is smooth, compiz uses the graphics card and everything is mostly smooth, yet no matter how fast your mac is (mac pro with 8800gt) osx's ui gets terrible fps if you open more than a few windows.
If I have like 10 or 15 iTerm windows with a little bit of transparency just dragging the windows around is like 10fps or so...why? Minimizing is the same way, switching spaces gets really jerky if you *ACTUALLY HAVE APPLICATIONS ON THE SPACES*.
That's just lame...
I don't really care about the "look" of aqua or the dated feel of theme or any of that. How about they just fix the part where it's slow? Vista uses the graphics card and everything is smooth, compiz uses the graphics card and everything is mostly smooth, yet no matter how fast your mac is (mac pro with 8800gt) osx's ui gets terrible fps if you open more than a few windows.
If I have like 10 or 15 iTerm windows with a little bit of transparency just dragging the windows around is like 10fps or so...why? Minimizing is the same way, switching spaces gets really jerky if you *ACTUALLY HAVE APPLICATIONS ON THE SPACES*.
That's just lame...
i agree that if the update is mostly streamlining then it should be more of a service pack priced accordingly. However, if whatever it is is called 10.6 expect to pay $129.
also for those saying the interface is boring... it's not supposed to be exciting or a video game (that's what video games are for). it's supposed to be functional and allow the programs to be star.
it shouldn't overshadow the actual programs.
also for those saying the interface is boring... it's not supposed to be exciting or a video game (that's what video games are for). it's supposed to be functional and allow the programs to be star.
it shouldn't overshadow the actual programs.
No, we wouldn't be calling Leopard Javan Tiger. Although I'm not ruling out the awesomeness of that.
People want features + eye candy for one simple reason. They want to feel like they are getting something for their money. Security updates, while vital, don't offer this. Same is true with backdoor updates. However, speed increases will be noticeable for most.
I personally wouldn't mind a UI update. Not that there's anything wrong with leopard but I mean, come on $130 for performance enhancements and fine-tuning?
At least make me FEEL like i'm getting a brand spanking new OS. I don't mind deluding myself...
At least make me FEEL like i'm getting a brand spanking new OS. I don't mind deluding myself...