I know it's an under the hood upgrade but I'd like to see Marble and other themes implemented. Wasn't this promised in OS 8?
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Snow Leopard to Bring Unifying 'Marble' User Interface?
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I was actually hoping Apple would drop the whole Aqua thing. It was cool back in 2001, but they need a more professional, updated look. I was wondering why some UI elements had the marble effect while others did not. The biggest clues and reinforcement IMO that make this rumor possible is that all of Apples latest app updates have included this marble look. Especially mobile-me stuff. I tend to think that a solid grey button instead a pulsating aqua one would run faster too 
Why? 10.5 is still ahead of Windows 7 which is only Vista "do over." 10.6 will be a better OS than Win 7 from the little I've played w/ the Win 7 beta. At the end of the day it's still Windows and still fairly clunky on the backend.
Form follows function ... I hope they don't sacrifice usability for UI responsiveness and ease of reading/finding information. I find those transparent black dialog boxes awful to navigate, and they seem to be increasing in number more than decreasing ....
How do you figure? It is NOT unified at all! Look at iWork and iLife apps and their buttons, hardly any of them are aqua.
I understand that people want to see a difference, and new features. But they come at a price. Stability. Look how awful the Leopard release was - Time Machine wasn't working properly, other issues with AirPort etc. They packed in way too many features.
Now, instead of getting more features - I mean what Leopard offers right now is perfect; Time Machine, Dock etc - I'd rather see these all filed down and perfected along with the over all OS getting efficient and have a much smaller foot print.
To be, that is much more worthy than just some extra features - and it isn't really something that can be done via OS X updates.
IMO I think Leopard's UI is a way better than any Windows, including 7. UI improvements are always welcome, repating: improvements.
It sounds weird to me when people starts to say that Windows 7 UI is better/good looking. Personally I think Windows UI's are always something trying to reach something else never doing it the better way de facto. Maybe it's just me, since I'm a recent mac owner, and I'm tired of Windows' UI the same not happening about Leopard. I prefer the minimalistic, sober but better looking Mac OS X UI. The side by side windows 7 feature is very nice though and would be great to have something like that on Mac OS X but it's not a priority to me.
Just my 2 cents...
It sounds weird to me when people starts to say that Windows 7 UI is better/good looking. Personally I think Windows UI's are always something trying to reach something else never doing it the better way de facto. Maybe it's just me, since I'm a recent mac owner, and I'm tired of Windows' UI the same not happening about Leopard. I prefer the minimalistic, sober but better looking Mac OS X UI. The side by side windows 7 feature is very nice though and would be great to have something like that on Mac OS X but it's not a priority to me.
Just my 2 cents...
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If Theophany is anything like me, only the ones made from the delicious heavy elements.
Theophany said:
Uranium 235? 238? Both?
This just goes in the books under the Black Glass look that Leopard supposedly was going to feature. Out of that we got a Black Apple in the corner and a translucent Finder Bar.......
Yeah, it just works so well. Let's change it!
It sounds like a perfect way to introduce more bugs into a release that's supposed to be about stability and optimization, as well as more reasons to delay it.
Well I won't care as long as they include a "classic mode" option, so I can revert if I don't like it.
And so much for the argument that PPC users won't be missing out on anything.
I wish Apple would just give us a System Preference panel for this sort of thing. Why haven't they allowed me to Adjust or easily change the default OS theme, to another? Or let us users select past themes from older OS X versions, that us users might like to still use.
Just make it an option, but have it set by default in the installer.
Just make it an option, but have it set by default in the installer.
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I agree with you but I'll probably pick it up at the Apple store after the initial rush. Say a month later. The only unfortunate thing is that it won't run on my G5.
chameleon said:A new look and feel would be nice, but ultimately I like the idea behind Snow Leopard. Rather than cramming bells and whistles into the code, just spend some time to refine, optimize and squash long standing bugs.
I'll buy it.
Right after the rest of you early adopters suffer the pain of the early bugs!
I agree with you but I'll probably pick it up at the Apple store after the initial rush. Say a month later. The only unfortunate thing is that it won't run on my G5.
I understand that people want to see a difference, and new features. But they come at a price. Stability. Look how awful the Leopard release was - Time Machine wasn't working properly, other issues with AirPort etc. They packed in way too many features.
Now, instead of getting more features - I mean what Leopard offers right now is perfect; Time Machine, Dock etc - I'd rather see these all filed down and perfected along with the over all OS getting efficient and have a much smaller foot print.
To be, that is much more worthy than just some extra features - and it isn't really something that can be done via OS X updates.
I understand your point and fully think it's valid. I do however want to make one counterpoint. With Vista and Leopard's initial release, we were taught that bad things happen when the UI is tweaked. I don't think it needs to be this way. If things are properly tested, then you should be able to add UI "features" without hurting stability/speed. If you know where the holes are before you build a house, you can fill them and avoid the sink holes.
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The scrollbar is only there when you "need it" already. Has been for quit a while.
Let me reword that.. The scrollbar is only there when a "window or page" is taller than the actual window/page.
UI changes
Personally I would love a refresh in the UI as long as it is consistent in all apps and all aspects of the OS.
I wouldn't mind this new UI to be a "monotone" UI, such as iTunes, Aperture and in general Apple's pro apps do have.
I don't like Windows Vista or Windows 7 (as far as I have seen) UI. Too bright, too many colors at once. Apple had to tone down the transparency on the menu bar because people asked for it.
I like Apple's hardware design. Maybe "Jony" should have a look into the UI as well But then we wouldn't have ANY buttons... And that could be a problem.
Jokes aside. I welcome a CONSISTENT OVERALL UI change. And if it goes in the direction of gray or in general "monotone" I would favor it.
Snow Leopard will bring changes under the hood. I don't mind if it doesn't, besides the rumored UI updates, bring any further changes. People buying the new Macs will have Snow Leopard by default, whereas people who have Leopard can choose whether to upgrade for performance or not. I don't see anything wrong for it.
I would like Apple to set the foundation for OS XI with Snow Leopard as the last OSX release. The improvements that might come with Snow Leopard are much in the direction of OS XI...
What I miss from Apple is a home server... Regardless of what they decide to put in it.
Personally I would love a refresh in the UI as long as it is consistent in all apps and all aspects of the OS.
I wouldn't mind this new UI to be a "monotone" UI, such as iTunes, Aperture and in general Apple's pro apps do have.
I don't like Windows Vista or Windows 7 (as far as I have seen) UI. Too bright, too many colors at once. Apple had to tone down the transparency on the menu bar because people asked for it.
I like Apple's hardware design. Maybe "Jony" should have a look into the UI as well
But then we wouldn't have ANY buttons... And that could be a problem.Jokes aside. I welcome a CONSISTENT OVERALL UI change. And if it goes in the direction of gray or in general "monotone" I would favor it.
Snow Leopard will bring changes under the hood. I don't mind if it doesn't, besides the rumored UI updates, bring any further changes. People buying the new Macs will have Snow Leopard by default, whereas people who have Leopard can choose whether to upgrade for performance or not. I don't see anything wrong for it.
I would like Apple to set the foundation for OS XI with Snow Leopard as the last OSX release. The improvements that might come with Snow Leopard are much in the direction of OS XI...
What I miss from Apple is a home server... Regardless of what they decide to put in it.
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Except fir the fact that Apple has released 4 or 5 major OS updates since XP and Microsoft has only released 1.
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Except fir the fact that Apple has released 4 or 5 major OS updates since XP and Microsoft has only released 1.
Exactly right!
Exactly. Thats exactly the idea behind the naming. It reflects Apple's desire to make "under the hood" - or less noticeably visible - changes instead of adding a plethora of visually catchy and creative new features to an OS that is in dire need of a reworking.
Exactly. Thats exactly the idea behind the naming. It reflects Apple's desire to make "under the hood" - or less noticeably visible - changes instead of adding a plethora of visually catchy and creative new features to an OS that is in dire need of a reworking.
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