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The fact is most operating systems are secure by design, and it's usually the end users that tend to screw things up.

If you had an ounce of knowledge about operating systems you would realise that Windows is not secure by design.

Christ, you are allowed to modify the memory of another running process under Windows. Hardly secure is it?
 
If you had an ounce of knowledge about operating systems you would realise that Windows is not secure by design.

Christ, you are allowed to modify the memory of another running process under Windows. Hardly secure is it?

i think all of us should at least remember that it was microsoft that have brought us here today as far as computer technology is concern? it was not apple and their os, but microsoft that opens the door of possibilities..

Note: i am not a microsoft fanboy, i am getting a mac soon.. but i think we should all be aware how much microsoft have contributed to the computer scene.. i still appreciate my PC very much, instead of condemning their os like some other people in this forum does..
 
i think all of us should at least remember that it was microsoft that have brought us here today as far as computer technology is concern? it was not apple and their os, but microsoft that opens the door of possibilities..

Note: i am not a microsoft fanboy, i am getting a mac soon.. but i think we should all be aware how much microsoft have contributed to the computer scene.. i still appreciate my PC very much, instead of condemning their os like some other people in this forum does..

In what way? I can't think of a single real innovation that was not done previously in Unix or Mac OS that Microsoft made.

MS-DOS was bought from another company. The only thing that they did that had a huge impact on the computing world was to get the original OS deal with IBM.

Sure, I quite like Windows and some of the things it does. But I would never claim it was a revolutionary OS. That title goes to Unix.
 
If you had an ounce of knowledge about operating systems you would realise that Windows is not secure by design.

Out of the box, Vista is pretty secure by design. Windows 95 wasn't.

Like OSX, there are some security holes being found and fixed, but it's hardly "insecure by design".


Christ, you are allowed to modify the memory of another running process under Windows. Hardly secure is it?

Please explain how to modify the memory space of another process on any NT-based system. NT has had protected memory since long before OSX was dropped on y'all.

And, please, don't call me Christ.
 
I agree. If they had made it a stand-alone application and called it iTube and taken care of a few bugs in iMovie, that would have been fine. But you missed my point regarding screwing Plugin companies and those that invested heavily in these plugins.

I myself have no problem with FinalCut, since I have it. However, it has a steep learning curve and iMovie was fantastic for a quick edit or the average Prosumer.

In regard to your edit, yes, you can still download iMovie HD, but that is like downloading OS9. Without improvement and abandoned by Apple, what's the use? It's a dead application that just happens to still work.

Ok, I see what you're saying. The release of '08 certainly killed the plug-in market you talked about, however, my point is that there is not as much room to complain about "those who invested in these plug-ins and were screwed by '08" kind of thing, when your plug-ins are still completely functional on '06.

Also, your point about iMovie '06 being like downloading OS9... come on dude. Please tell me you aren't that fixated with being the newest and coolest that you knock '06 down that many pegs. A more accurate analogy would be like downloading Tiger when you have Leopard.
 
Out of the box, Vista is pretty secure by design. Windows 95 wasn't.

Like OSX, there are some security holes being found and fixed, but it's hardly "insecure by design".




Please explain how to modify the memory space of another process on any NT-based system. NT has had protected memory since long before OSX was dropped on y'all.

And, please, don't call me Christ.

Oh yes it sure is insecure by design.

The entire NT kernel is merely Open VMS cannibalized (or stolen, depending on your viewpoint) by Microsoft and stripped of all it's security layers. They have been slowly adding security features back in with 2000, XP, and Vista, but they still are yet to get it fully right...
 
Mass Udpate

SL seems to be integrating many new OpenSolaris tech into leopard. The image packaging capability seems to be like opensolaris, and a Finder Cocoa rewrite would allow for end user modification, and ZFS! From what I have heard from friends who have messed with the binaries, ZFS is virtually done being ported with 119. They just have to integrate it with the system, and cannot do that in any further in 10.5! ZFS will be the ****! hopefully, the new finder will be similar to Google Chrome, with the tabs. Same with iTunes. Simplicity and security... those are key and why I switched in 2000. Apple has gone as far as they can with Carbon APIs and their OS general look and feel. A new one is needed.
 
i think all of us should at least remember that it was microsoft that have brought us here today as far as computer technology is concern? it was not apple and their os, but microsoft that opens the door of possibilities..

Note: i am not a microsoft fanboy, i am getting a mac soon.. but i think we should all be aware how much microsoft have contributed to the computer scene.. i still appreciate my PC very much, instead of condemning their os like some other people in this forum does..

haha not condemning PC's for their very existence? You're on the wrong forum man :rolleyes:
You are right that MS has driven the computer world forward, however, that is mostly because of a few things (that don't talk too well about them)
1) DOS, which is one of those questionably acquired pieces of code.
2) NT, which is Open VMS - Security, again, very questionable...
3) Piss-poor management at :apple: when SJ was kicked out, leading to Macs going by the wayside in the business world because they were simply god-awful (to the business consumer) back then.

They are more or less the winners by default I think. So yes, I do not renounce and hate on my Pc's like other do, but then, I don't really give them as much credit as you do...
 
so Snow Leopard being such a big update, does that mean that apple will charge money to the update?? and i haven't been the OSX scene for a long time. traditionally, how much do they normally charge you for??

i am thinking of getting the new MacBook, but i really don't want to pay for another update in the near future?? and could it be that, when they release the new Snow Leopard, they might release another revision of the current MacBook(specs-wise)?

When will you guys get it out of your head that this will NOT be a free update? Anyone who thinks this will be free from the company that charges $19 for a cheap-ass remote is lying to themselves. It will most likely be $129. They are doing a massive re-write of many applications as well as implementing various other security/speed improvements. This is no different than if they were simply focusing on adding additional features.

So yes, you should probably wait if you don't want to pay for Snow Leopard separately.
 
Out of the box, Vista is pretty secure by design. Windows 95 wasn't.

Like OSX, there are some security holes being found and fixed, but it's hardly "insecure by design".

Please explain how to modify the memory space of another process on any NT-based system. NT has had protected memory since long before OSX was dropped on y'all.

It has to be in order to maintain backwards compatibility. For instance the win32 function WriteProcessMemory() is still available under Vista.
 
Does anyone else think that Apple needs to do something about the fact that I can play a video/DVD in:

• Quicktime
• DVD Player
• Front Row
• Quick Look
• iTunes
<edit>• and now sort of iMovie '08</edit>

All now offer full screen (does iMovie?), and the same general features.

Kill DVD Player (use Quicktime!). Turn Front Row into an iTunes feature (don't cripple it, just include a Front Row button in iTunes and market it as an iTunes feature). Somewhat cripple Quick Look to only play 2 minute clips of videos unless you skim, in which case it only plays the next 2 minutes; and (very debatable) kill Quick Look full screen and replace it with "Watch fullscreen in Quicktime" or something. I've absent-mindedly tried to Quick Look 2GB Movies plenty of times. It's not pretty.

This way we have a DVD/Blu-ray/Video player (Quicktime), a media Library/player (iTunes), and a simple (literally) quick look feature (Quick Look).

Now, I just thought of all this as I was typing, so feel free to stomp it into the ground if you have reason. I'm sure there are much better ways to simplify Video/DVD watching, this is just my quick idea on how to do so.

I don't see the problem. DVD Player has to support CSS encryption (even if it is incredibly weak, Apple still can't lose their CSS license), which means crippling the app when you want to do something like take a screen shot of a video, easier to keep that separate from Quicktime Player.

Quicktime Player is just a wrapper around the Quicktime APIs.

iTunes is a media player and database that uses the Quicktime APIs for A/V playback, and it's a rather bloated one at that.

Front Row is just a shell, it uses DVD Player for DVDs, iTunes for anything in your iTunes database, Quicktime for individual videos in your file system, and iPhoto for photo viewing. Building it into iTunes would just make it more bloated and wouldn't make an ounce of sense.

iMovie, dunno why you even thought to put that on the list, is just a video editor.

Quick Look or rather the plug-in that enables Quicktime videos to be played in Quick Look is also just a wrapper around the Quicktime APIs when it comes to video playback, and when in "Quick Look" you're still in the Finder so hitting the arrow keys goes to the next file, it would be a waste of resources to cripple it, especially since someone isn't likely to watch a full video in it unless it's really short since any keyboard shortcuts you might try will just affect the Finder.

Snow Leopard will not be free, and I wouldn't be surprised if it also sold for $129.

And I'm not surprised by Apple's childish behavior, again. Remember how they criticized Microsoft for giving Vista "many names?" (Despite the fact that Leopard, too, had a code name and a final name.) Or how they criticized Microsoft for delaying Vista, and then Apple also delayed Leopard not once, but twice?

Leopard's final name does not include Leopard Home Basic, Leopard Home Premium, Leopard Business, Leopard Enterprise, Leopard Ultimate, or their 64-bit editions. It's just "Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard" instead, Mac OS X being the brand, 10.5 the version number, and Leopard being the codename due to the fact that people usually just refer to it's codename for shorthand anyway, also becoming part of the brand.

Also it was only delayed once, any other "delays" you may be talking about were rumors and nothing more. Also keep in mind Apple didn't stop halfway in the development cycle to drop everything and rewrite it again (though if they had the end result probably would be Snow Leopard minus Grand Central and OpenCL, the 2 most important "features" of Snow Leopard) and branded as Leopard. They also didn't drop their most important features and APIs to get a release out sooner (they did drop a couple of trivial features though).

Sebastian
 
"Print Selection" PLEASE!

Is there a place you can post feature requests to the devs? For the love of God, please give me "print selection". Windows has had this feature forever and I would love to see this finally come to OSX via Snow Leopard. I know I can't be alone on this.
 
Is there a place you can post feature requests to the devs? For the love of God, please give me "print selection". Windows has had this feature forever and I would love to see this finally come to OSX via Snow Leopard. I know I can't be alone on this.

Never even heard of this feature until you mentioned it, and when I looked I found this. Just installed it, will probably test it later.

Sebastian
 
I believe I looked at this before but it didn't support Leopard. Looks like they may have fixed that. Thanks for the link!! :)

EDIT: Install failed :(
 
I believe I looked at this before but it didn't support Leopard. Looks like they may have fixed that. Thanks for the link!! :)

EDIT: Install failed :(

The install didn't fail, but it doesn't show up my Services menu like I thought it would, nothing in the print dialog either, and it's no longer even listed on the developer website so I guess it's no longer supported. :(

Sebastian
 
Mine failed with the error "Can't write to /Library/Services". If you had a successful install you should see it in services after a reboot. It was funny because the installer did not prompt me for an admin password which I guess is why it couldn't install to the directory. :confused:
 
Mine failed with the error "Can't write to /Library/Services". If you had a successful install you should see it in services after a reboot. It was funny because the installer did not prompt me for an admin password which I guess is why it couldn't install to the directory. :confused:

Ah, I didn't see the part about needing a reboot, but I did several reboots tonight and it's there now. Trying to print some selected text in NetNewsWire didn't work though, the app wouldn't respond.

Sebastian
 
Personally, I think Tiger - Leopard was a lackluster update, and did not include many real OS features other than Time Machine support + Quick Look. Coverflow on Finder & Spaces? I don't think so. It was mainly a marketing push to get a new version out the door when Vista launched, with some visual pizazz. I am really looking forward to Snow Leopard now... a leaner and faster leopard with real under the hood changes.

Yeah that's how I feel too. I hope that SL is more slicker and tidier without all the bells and whistles. Sure Leopard has its benefits, but they are not a huge benefit from Tiger (imo). Get back to basics and make things better without all the eye candy gadgets.
 
Is there a place you can post feature requests to the devs? For the love of God, please give me "print selection". Windows has had this feature forever and I would love to see this finally come to OSX via Snow Leopard. I know I can't be alone on this.

I just highlight the portion I want to print and then print. Only the highlighted portion prints then. Have you tried this?
 
Really excited about 10.6!

Someone wanted to call it more a 10.5.x update than a real new 10.6... :confused: ARE YOU NUTS???
Snow Leopard seems a HUGE new OS. Open CL, Grand Central, Cocoa Finder, "Real" Exchange support, QuickTime X....

The Exchange licensing costs will probably require this to be a paid update. I'd also like to see Apple build Cisco VPN right in to the OS.
 
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