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And not exactly graphically impressive, like Vista's/7's translucent windows, not that I like them.

Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.
 
Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.
The sterile, clean, and utilitarian interface of OS X is very pleasant for its lack of clutter.

Until you're surprised by a bouncing Finder icon in the Dock. (Finder won't even be the application that needs attention.) Even the poof when removing a Dock item is getting a little old.
 
The sterile, clean, and utilitarian interface of OS X is very pleasant for its lack of clutter.

Until you're surprised by a bouncing Finder icon in the Dock. (Finder won't even be the application that needs attention.) Even the poof when removing a Dock item is getting a little old.

Amen! :D

And perhaps they could bring a more modern looking font? No hard feelings towards Lucida Grande but I'm tired of seeing it. Helvetica is ok, is doesn't have to be a 'new' font...
 
Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.

The sterile, clean, and utilitarian interface of OS X is very pleasant for its lack of clutter.

Until you're surprised by a bouncing Finder icon in the Dock. (Finder won't even be the application that needs attention.) Even the poof when removing a Dock item is getting a little old.

Yeah, I love the simplicity of the operating system. I can't really comment on the "poof," I don't find that it hinders my productivity in any way, nor is it very "flashy." Just sorta a funny little whimsical quirk I guess...

The bouncing CAN get really old if the program is set to have a continuous bounce and not just a single bounce to get your attention. They should change it so that the icon just pulsates between full and partial opacity... That might be a little more elegant.
 
One thing I really want to see is Finder Windows sorted by "Date Added". For instance, the Downloads stack is sorted that way when you click it on the dock but once you open the folder in the Finder, there is no "Date Added" column to sort by.
 
Looks like Apple legal threw the hammer down. The videos have been pulled.

At least it's nice to see that MacMagazine is back in active duty after some attacks by script kiddies and stupid hackers back in the early 2000s...I used to be one of the forum admins there, and we had some great discussions about the Mac market in Brazil...good luck, guys!
 
Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.
The "flashy" setup (which I disagree with) is a default setting. You can turn off what you want, or you can even use the Windows Classic theme, which is about as non-flashy as you can get.

With Windows, you get a choice. With Mac OS X, you get one theme by default, and that's it.
 
That would be four videos about Snow Leopard, btw, if anyone was wondering. And there virus free :p


So is the new QuickTime an example of what the 'Marble' interface is going to look like?
I'm not sure how keen I'd be on that if it is, it'd look pretty dark over the whole system? And not exactly graphically impressive, like Vista's/7's translucent windows, not that I like them.
There is no proof or evidence that any kind of new user interface is coming in Snow Leopard. All that you should realistically expect are minor fit and finishes on Aqua. Even with Leopard, Aqua still wasn't truly unified.
 
Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.

Alot of windowss 7's "flashiness" is incredibly useful. Granted, the window borders are a bit much, but i like being able to resize windows by dragging them to the edge of the screen, i love window previews on the taskbar, i love that when i hover over one of these window previews the other windows turn transparent so i can see an app without switching focus to it.
My OSX install broke on my hac (my fault really, i cant help but mess with things i shouldnt) so i've been using windows 7 since then and i cant help but love the hell out of it. When i use a computer with OSX now it just feels like everything is floating around all willy nilly. The simplicity of OSX gets in the way once you are used to having more/better window management features.
 
Thats the point. OSX is stunning because Apple realized that the operating system shouldnt be distracting. Windows just tries to be flashy now and it gets old REALLY quick.
I would agree with you on Vista, but 7 is slick as hell and the effects are really pleasant and nice. It amazes me how much faster Windows 7 is on my Macbook than OS X. It not only boots much much faster, but is usable much quicker. I can open a web browser as soon as I can see the task bar. With OS X I have to wait _forever_ for Firefox to quit bouncing in the dock and even longer for a single window to open.
 
You can customize Spotlight.

Can you customize Spotlight to exclude those damn dictionary definitions? This drives me nuts!

I tried to exclude the dictionary files from the dictionaries folder from system. Unfortunately that didn't work.
 
Hey quit whining about the past.... Put back was redundant.... its called undo.... but glad its back.

Hey all I want to see is GrandCentral and Open CL actually do something ... actually speed things up. So far there has been no mention of all this speed which Snow Leopard is SUPPOSED to have. So far I have yet to see it working Faster. Actually I'm really surprised at how far Microsoft has come with windows 7. It does have some great new interface features that blow away OS X. So will someone do some benchmarks.... bet they are the same as current the current OS...

GC API was finalized in the last developer seed (10A355). It's mainly for Mac Software developers, not just for SL. Imagine Safari taking advantage of Grand Central to make each tab a process and taking advantage of OpenCL to power most of the HTML5/CSS animations.

I am not sure how much of the kernel has changed for the performance gains, which is not the same as changing it for the features like GC/SL. Don’t forget the brand new 64bit kernel for SL, we don’t know how big of a change it is from 32bit Leopard. Is Apple just simply taking the 32 bit kernel from Leopard and converting it to 64bit on the fly or are they really taking their time to make it pure 64bit and optimize the crap out of it?

I also don't think Apple has started the optimization process for SL yet, I do believe that if Apple has frozen the APIs, they might freeze all the features as well soon and will begin the refactoring/optimizing which make take another 3-5 months to complete, that all depends on how much optimization Apple want to do. They may take the risk of rushing this and put 10.6 out and do all the serious optimization for the 10.6.x updates.

I agree with you about W7, but remember that MS has a lot of stuff to improve (W7 is based on Vista). I think it is far easier to see the major improvements from a crappy OS to a better OS than from a good OS to a great OS (which is what Leopard to Snow Leopard is going to be like). This will hurt Apple in a big way if Apple doesn’t take W7 seriously, they should do everything possible to make Snow Leopard into what they said SL would be, a fast slim OS. Leopard was fast compared to the first original release of Vista. Now it is no longer viewed as such when compared to W7, many people are saying Leopard is chunky and a bit slower than W7, even on same hardware. Apple needs to thin their OS, make it much lighter, faster, slicker and just smooth. They can do this but will it be in 10.6?

Removing PPC and Carbon APIs, will go a long way and in some way, drop the Intel 32bit support as well. Make the MAC OSX 64bit Intels only. I think it would seriously drop a lot of code and make the OS clean. This is my opinion on what Apple should do for 10.7/10.8. But who knows.

Didn't you use Mac OS 9? There was a lot of things they left out in 10.0 when it was released. 99% of them have made their way back into OS X though over the period of time since the first version of OS X. 10.0.0 was incapable of DVD viewing, or any kind of CD burning. They added Audio CD burning frameworks to iTunes to let users of 10.0.2 burn music, but you couldn't burn a Data CD til 10.1. OS 9 could do all these things.

No, my first short experience with Mac (Apple II I believe) was in OS System 7 when I was a kid and that was in school. I remember playing chess that required a lot of 5" floppy swapping.

The real first experience with Mac was when i bought my first mac that ran 10.1. I wonder if there are any System 7/8/9 Virtual images laying around that could be run in Fusion or Parallels, that would be fun to play with.
 
No, my first short experience with Mac (Apple II I believe) was in OS System 7 when I was a kid and that was in school. I remember playing chess that required a lot of 5" floppy swapping.

You mean System 7 on the Mac? I don't recall anything like that on the Apple II; it ran something called Apple DOS, which never got higher than version 3 or so.

The real first experience with Mac was when i bought my first mac that ran 10.1. I wonder if there are any System 7/8/9 Virtual images laying around that could be run in Fusion or Parallels, that would be fun to play with.

There is SheepShaver for Intel Macs. I looked into it but thought it was a little too much of a hack. If you really need Classic apps on Intel it's workable though.
 
You mean System 7 on the Mac? I don't recall anything like that on the Apple II; it ran something called Apple DOS, which never got higher than version 3 or so.




There is SheepShaver for Intel Macs. I looked into it but thought it was a little too much of a hack. If you really need Classic apps on Intel it's workable though.

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP193
Ran up to OS 7.5.

Thanks for telling me about SheepShaver. I have to try it out when I have time.
 
Cool

Those videos look very cool! I mean Mac OS looks cool! I started using a Mac only recently, to be able to write iPhone apps, but I never got into reading any Mac OS manuals or help... I guess I will read something to do all those cool thing when the next version comes out :D
 
I would agree with you on Vista, but 7 is slick as hell and the effects are really pleasant and nice. It amazes me how much faster Windows 7 is on my Macbook than OS X. It not only boots much much faster, but is usable much quicker. I can open a web browser as soon as I can see the task bar. With OS X I have to wait _forever_ for Firefox to quit bouncing in the dock and even longer for a single window to open.

Well, if your Mac is anything like mine, you have OS X loaded with programs. And not just regular programs, programs that have to start up along with OS X (like Connect360, Little Snitch, etc.) not to mention loading up all the extra widgets......AND many of the programs try to load up their auto-updaters (which run in the background) right at startup as well. So, not only is OS X booting, but so are a LOT of extra programs.

Now, comparing a loaded-down OS X to a fresh, un-messed-with version of Windows 7 that has no extra programs, background apps, etc. booting along side it........well, that seems a bit unfair to me.

I would recommend comparing a fresh install of Windows 7 to a fresh install of OS X........and I'm almost 99.9% positive that you'll find OS X being amazingly quick, if not quicker than Windows 7.
 
Oops. Forgot there was a different non-mac series of Apple II. My bad.



There was never a Mac-series of Apple II
Apple II was a completely other platform...

Would be like calling the Newton an iPhone...really nothing more in common than it was the same company that made both of them :p
 
Guys!!! Are you upgrading to 10.6 or skip it? Just interested in your opinion. I may buy it but I will wait maybe couple of months.

I'll probably purchase it right off the bat. I've been upgrading each time since Pather and have never been disappointed, much less encountering a problem. I'm sure that Snow Leopard is going to be a huge leap forward in performance and stability.
 
There was never a Mac-series of Apple II
Apple II was a completely other platform...

Would be like calling the Newton an iPhone...really nothing more in common than it was the same company that made both of them :p

That's not what I meant.

There was Apple II and there was Apple Machintosh II. It is easy to confuse those two different platforms due to the fact that it only differs by one word, Mac.
 
Are you trying to start an argument?

I find the finder the most dreadful piece of software on my Mac.
I have the desperate hope that with the cocoa-rewrite of the finder, Apple also fixes theses annoyances. This would be my #1 selling point for SnowLeopard...

The WINDOZ method of handling files is downright rude. It's like wave-your-hand-and-see-what-happens when I need to transfer/copy files. It makes me wonder what is happening. In Mac OS X I can SEE where my files are located and where they are going.

Hmm ... wonder how much free space remains on my hard drive ... Mac: it's on the bottom; WINDOZ: hmm ...:eek:
 
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