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Snow Leopard Videos Demonstrating Several New Features Surface

PCFan said:
If Apple thinks Put Back is a cool feature and they put it in their nest OS, this means that they've taken an idea from Windows, which proves that in this case, Windows was more advanced. That's ok. It's just that Apple claim their OS is more advanced, and the Put Back feature they've added proves the opposite. I know there are features that OSX has that Windows doesn't but Windows doesn't claim it's more advanced.
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Here's a screenshot of version 1.0 of the Mac OS (System 1.0), from 1984:

FileMenu.png


Notice the "Put Back" command? Yeah...

This feature was in the Mac OS all the way until Mac OS 9 (it was renamed "Put Away" starting with System 7.0), and then Apple neglected to put it in OS X, they're just putting it back in Snow Leopard.
 
Casiotone said:
Here's a screenshot of version 1.0 of the Mac OS (System 1.0), from 1984:

filemenu.gif


Notice the "Put Back" command? Yeah...

This feature was in the Mac OS all the way until Mac OS 9 (it was renamed "Put Away" starting with System 7.0), and then Apple neglected to put it in OS X, they're just putting it back in Snow Leopard.
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I wonder if there's anything else that they neglected to put in OS X? It would be interesting to go back to history of Mac and see if there are any more useful things that could be used in OS X.
 
ipoppy said:
Guys!!! Are you upgrading to 10.6 or skip it? Just interested in your opinion. I may buy it but I will wait maybe couple of months.
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I'm skipping it. Leopard is running perfectly for me. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

Besides why do I want to pay $129 for Leopard's big brother? Sorry, but I just don't.
 
Well the Apple menu used to be more useful, for a start.

I would really like to see changes to Finder and its proxy in open/save dialogs. Vista's file browser is imo miles ahead, with:
a) a sensible default window size;
b) built-in 'get info' information at the bottom, and with a lot more detail;
c) tile view (really the only decent option in Vista);
d) better by type sorting with folders always at the top; ... and more.

In open/save dialogs, THE most likely way you want to sort is by type, but OS X does not allow this in any of the view modes available, not even in the really well hidden view options; Vista essentially offers just the same as the normal Explorer browser, which really just makes sense, and 'just works'.
 
Stupid little things I want.
> PRINT SELECTION! For the love of #$*! I have to use Firefox just for that purpose.
> An easier way to move files between folders on the same partition. I can't get two Finder windows open to do it. At least give me a directory drop down on the left so I can move files between folders.
> The finder needs to be more responsive when other folders are off screen and it needs to move down and allow me to move a file. It hangs up unless you baby the edge to make it go up or down.
> Tell me how large a folder is in finder. Why do I have to click on 'get info' to find out? If it's some setting I missed, I'm sure someone will point it out to me, why isn't it set to on by defalt?


If speed and response, along with little functional add ons, are the focus and continue to be that way with Snow Leopard then I'm all over it. I want to see a clean, smooth and praised upgrade from Apple. A successful launch of Snow Leopard, strong benchmarks to show significant improvements with just a software update will garner the extra praise from the media and draw attention away from Win 7. Win 7 will get a lot of positive talk because it's well.... not Vista so that alone to folks means it's better. Snow Leopard needs to be even better than that. And I think it will be.
 
MartiNZ said:
Well the Apple menu used to be more useful, for a start.

I would really like to see changes to Finder and its proxy in open/save dialogs. Vista's file browser is imo miles ahead, with:
a) a sensible default window size;
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What are you missing from the old Apple menu that you can't do with the Dock? (You can put a folder in the Dock that will behave just like the old Apple menu).

a) the default window size (and view type) is set by the user, though I admit it's not an intuitive way:

1. Close all finder windows (option-close to make it faster)
2. Open a new Finder window.
3. Set the size and view to whatever you want as default.
4. Close the window.

Note: this works in many other apps such as Safari.


Drag'nGT said:
> An easier way to move files between folders on the same partition. I can't get two Finder windows open to do it. At least give me a directory drop down on the left so I can move files between folders.
> Tell me how large a folder is in finder. Why do I have to click on 'get info' to find out? If it's some setting I missed, I'm sure someone will point it out to me, why isn't it set to on by defalt?
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Why can't you open a second Finder window? Also, you could use spring-loaded folders to get to your destination.

To get folder sizes, chose "Show View Option" on a list view (cmd-J) and click on "Calculate All Sizes". Make that the default if you want.

It's not on by default because it could slow down the Finder with large folders.
 
MartiNZ said:
Alex voice (decent but rarely useful
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Hey, speak for yourself. I'm nonverbal and I use Alex as my voice. It's great!

Alex is one of the main reasons why I got Leopard in the first place.

I'm a guy but Apple really needs to improve their woman voice too.
 
PCFan said:
If Apple thinks Put Back is a cool feature and they put it in their nest OS, this means that they've taken an idea from Windows, which proves that in this case, Windows was more advanced. That's ok. It's just that Apple claim their OS is more advanced, and the Put Back feature they've added proves the opposite. I know there are features that OSX has that Windows doesn't but Windows doesn't claim it's more advanced.
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It must be really hard for you, only seeing the world in black and white. Sounds like quite the condition -- I'd see an ophthalmologist about that, if I were you.
 
Casiotone said:
What are you missing from the old Apple menu that you can't do with the Dock? (You can put a folder in the Dock that will behave just like the old Apple menu).

a) the default window size (and view type) is set by the user, though I admit it's not an intuitive way:

1. Close all finder windows (option-close to make it faster)
2. Open a new Finder window.
3. Set the size and view to whatever you want as default.
4. Close the window.

Note: this works in many other apps such as Safari.
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Yes that works per window, but to get it truly to be a default, I would need to do it hundreds of thousands of times from each starting point. Thanks for the suggestion :).

Automator offers to change settings for 'all' folders (which I'm sure isn't really all anyway), all settings that is except for window size and position. Dock spring-loaded folders also interfere with size and position, so even the per window default setting is not necessarily permanent.

Re the Apple menu I was really just pointing to something would be useful if different in OS X. At the moment the only useful thing in the Apple menu is About this Mac (not sure how to access that otherwise though I'm sure one can); everything else is more easily accessed elsewhere at least on a laptop with the power button.

Storing a flat list of apps and later having the ability to browse folders was a good use of the Apple menu, and come to think of it, together with the Application menu it kept things very much in one place, the menubar, rather than the split we have now that takes up a lot more vertical pixels (Dock on perma-show bottom here) ironically on the now 'shorter' widescreen displays.
 
Why can't people use other less known video streaming sites. :mad: Did anybody manage to save the videos?
 
MartiNZ said:
Well the Apple menu used to be more useful, for a start.

I would really like to see changes to Finder and its proxy in open/save dialogs. Vista's file browser is imo miles ahead, with:
a) a sensible default window size;
b) built-in 'get info' information at the bottom, and with a lot more detail;
c) tile view (really the only decent option in Vista);
d) better by type sorting with folders always at the top; ... and more.

In open/save dialogs, THE most likely way you want to sort is by type, but OS X does not allow this in any of the view modes available, not even in the really well hidden view options; Vista essentially offers just the same as the normal Explorer browser, which really just makes sense, and 'just works'.
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I find the finder the most dreadful piece of software on my Mac.
I have the desperate hope that with the cocoa-rewrite of the finder, Apple also fixes theses annoyances. This would be my #1 selling point for SnowLeopard...
 
Detektiv-Pinky said:
I find the finder the most dreadful piece of software on my Mac.
I have the desperate hope that with the cocoa-rewrite of the finder, Apple also fixes theses annoyances. This would be my #1 selling point for SnowLeopard...
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Agreed. The finder is embarrassing - both as a file browser and as an open/save window. I much prefer the windows counterpart.
 
I wonder how they are going to sell Snow Leopard to masses if it doesn't include major new features. I think for most users "improved performance" isn't worth the price tag.
 
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@Martinez

>I would really like to see changes to Finder and its proxy in open/save >dialogs. Vista's file browser is imo miles ahead, with:
>a) a sensible default window size;
>b) built-in 'get info' information at the bottom, and with a lot more detail;
>c) tile view (really the only decent option in Vista);
>d) better by type sorting with folders always at the top; ... and more.

I agree that Finder could be a lot more versatile and that Explorer (Finder's equivalent) in Windows, since XP, has been a better file manager, particularly in dealing with large numbers of files. If I try and copy, move, delete or empty the Trash with thousands or tens of thousands of files, the Finder chokes. I've resorted to using third party utilities to force delete the Trash instead of using Finder. In Vista, the process is virtually instantaneous.

With regard to your desired additions, some can be achieved under Leopard. You can manually adjust the default window size in the plist files for the Finder. You can right click any Finder window header and select "customize" to add a get info button for easy access. You can also insure that folders are always at the top by inserting a blank space at the beginning of the folder name. In fact, you can even sort folders into groups by adding additional spaces, i.e. a label that starts with two spaces will precede a folder title with one space which will come out above all folder titles beginning with a letter. It would be preferable, though, to have this function without having to "hand code" folder behavior. Unfortunately, the new and improved Finder, and new GUI, has not made it into any of the developer releases yet, so we'll have to wait and see. What I can say is that the Finder in the releases so far is much snappier, which is probably due to all the other refinements under the hood.
 
Wow Apple Way To Go

I hate when videos get pulled, Apple in their lets keep it a secret till it comes out surprise it looks like crap thanks apple.
No but seriously if someone captured the video using SNAPZ or FRAPS I'm sure they'll upload it on some torrent site.:mad::apple:
 
So snow Leopard will be able to substitution spelling correct emails and forum posts system wide? That woudl be awesome... :D
 
hamis92 said:
I was going to say the same thing. This is one of the only downsides for me in Leopard compared to Tiger.

Sometimes I find it frustrating to find anything with Spotlight in Finder, because all I see is endless amount of Safari's browsing history items and the files I am looking for are hiding somewhere among them. (In Tiger Spotlight used those handy categories to display search results)
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You can customize Spotlight.
 

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Detektiv-Pinky said:
I find the finder the most dreadful piece of software on my Mac.
I have the desperate hope that with the cocoa-rewrite of the finder, Apple also fixes theses annoyances. This would be my #1 selling point for SnowLeopard...
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I kinda agree. The Finder has gotten better little by little, but I still need to do a "killall Finder" from Terminal when it decides to stall and eat up all CPU cycles (well, actually it's the NetAtuh process). This mostly happens when I'm connecting to my Mac Mini and the shared external hard drive is still spinning up. Or try this, add a shared folder of another Mac to the Finder's "Places" (the favorites thingie on the left), and click on it when the network share is not connected. It's only after watching the beachball go for half a minute that it responds again and tells you the share is not connected. This kind of thing should not stall the GUI but run in the background, maybe with the spinning "loading" indicator where the listing would normally be in finder. Same goes for Safari 4, lot's of GUI stalling.

Sometimes I think it's intentional, you can't even minimize iDVD or iMovie when they're encoding video (which typically takes hours). Even Logic 8 does that and that's a pro app (Pro Tools LE rig is on the way, hope it's not as bug ridden as Logic, time will tell).
 
havent read the entire thread.

if thats the extent of the quicktime trim/edit functions and export then it seems to be a step down. hopefully mpeg streamclip keeps on going
 
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