Awesome! Sounds promising! I'll give it a shot when I get home later tonight and post back. Thanks so much.
omg it works perfectly now! I think I can finally start enjoying this macbook
thanks again.
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So... about that Macbook screen wash-out
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omg it works perfectly now! I think I can finally start enjoying this macbook
thanks again.
Apple Insider Article on Macbook Screens Pulled?
I watch Apple Insiders RSS Feed and the following article popped up:
"MacBook buyers sound off against questionable screen quality
from *AppleInsider* | *Apple Insider* News and Analysis
For all its structural and performance improvements, the new MacBook and Apple are facing sharp criticism from some owners and would-be buyers who say the LCD appears to have a blue tint and doesn't solve some problems with earlier generation designs."
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._off_against_questionable_screen_quality.html
When I tried to access the article it seems to be empty...anyone else notice this? Maybe the article will be up in a few days.
I watch Apple Insiders RSS Feed and the following article popped up:
"MacBook buyers sound off against questionable screen quality
from *AppleInsider* | *Apple Insider* News and Analysis
For all its structural and performance improvements, the new MacBook and Apple are facing sharp criticism from some owners and would-be buyers who say the LCD appears to have a blue tint and doesn't solve some problems with earlier generation designs."
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._off_against_questionable_screen_quality.html
When I tried to access the article it seems to be empty...anyone else notice this? Maybe the article will be up in a few days.
MB screen issues aren't limited to MR users:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1757089&tstart=0
Just a bunch of whiners ehh? I think not..
May very well go see if mr. applegenius will give me credit for a gen. 2 Air.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1757089&tstart=0
Just a bunch of whiners ehh? I think not..
May very well go see if mr. applegenius will give me credit for a gen. 2 Air.
If people haven't already tried this, do so. I'm not as picky as others are (not that there's anything wrong with being so), but I upped the contrast a little using this method and it looks substantially better.
Not if you adjust it only VERY slightly. I only went about 1/3 of the way from the left of the first "segment". If you do it more than that, yes you might lose out on some details in b&w images.
I just wanted to ask, this screen is better than the previous gen Macbook? I don't care how it compares to the Air or Pro, that isn't relevant to me. If it was worse than the previous gen then i'd have a hard time justifying buying one, however it sounds like it's better.
Honestly I've never had a problem with my Blackbook screen, I don't understand all this screen nazi-ism. Also you can't blame Apple for trying to make a profit, blame the corrupt economy. Honestly I'm getting tired of people blaming companies for not giving you the absolute best product they can give. What do they have to gain from that? Nothing.
Honestly I've never had a problem with my Blackbook screen, I don't understand all this screen nazi-ism. Also you can't blame Apple for trying to make a profit, blame the corrupt economy. Honestly I'm getting tired of people blaming companies for not giving you the absolute best product they can give. What do they have to gain from that? Nothing.
+1
I'm using an earlier MacBook right now. If I sit it next to a $4000 laptop, it'll look washed out.
If I'm sitting on the couch, watching tv and reading forums, it does it's job perfectly. From what I've heard, the newer screen is better than this.
The alumiMB screen is better in brightness than the previous generation - no doubt. Out of the box it has very cold blue cast about it that I found difficult to calibrate out. There is an icc profile posted here that tremendously helps that issue.
Issue 1 pretty much solved.
Okay, now issue 2 - the blacks can be washed out and are not consistent from top to bottom. There is an extremely small viewing angle where it almost works but you have to constantly adjust the display if you move or move the computer in the least. A little too much back angle and blacks go "negative" and a little too much forward there are no blacks. You almost have to tilt the screen a little towards you from 45º. This isn't apparent as much until you go to a dark web page or watch a video. Things I'm sure no one with a new MB would ever do, right.
So, even though the previous generations display may not have been as bright or LCD backlit, it had a more useable display. I never had a problem with old MB displays. They were okay but not great. I think you have to actually have the new one in your lap for a week or so to appreciate how craptatstic they actually are.
Normally I do not buy into the hyper over some OCD issue. However, I was very curious. I was told "watch a movie" and I'll see. Now my color for some reason doesn't seem to be as bad as some or at least I cannot see it. Interestingly enough what I'm about to show is a comparison between a PB 1.67 Rev D screen calibrated using Spyder2 Pro and the MB using the Super Cal Glassbook profile as provided in the other thread "Post your screen calibrations!"
The only photo you see here are of the two side by side sat in a dark room with no light hitting either display. Both settings are the same, brightness, auto-dim turned off it I could (yes the PB runs Tiger), and the keyboards were both lit the same. I tried to compare the two equally. I've watched movies on my PB quite a bit and found the screen to not be bright enough at times. Specifically I remembered I just watched Iron Man a couple of weeks ago on it. So I of course took the Iron Man movie and put them up.
I've posted the photos on flickr (the rest of them) but I'll post the comparison of the two notebooks, the movie in one of it's darkest scenes with the brightness turned up to 4 notches on the bar (sorry I don't know how to explain that one) and then full brightness.
I think the only other thing to mention is I was sitting in the same position taking photos from eye level. This is the only way I can possibly imagine to show the difference or perhaps the "issues" with the new displays. I believe the photos showed exactly what I saw.
Higher Res Flickr photos can be seen here.
Edit: I recall this being an issue in the iPhones. Does anyone recall if that was a software or hardware fix?
In addition, I am going to assume that most who see the photos are viewing them on their MB's. If this is the case then I bet they look worse. I'm currently viewing them on my MB and my 30" ACD connected to my MacPro. There is a huge deterioration of quality between the two making my photos look worse than they really are. However, they are bad ... the blacks I mean.
The only photo you see here are of the two side by side sat in a dark room with no light hitting either display. Both settings are the same, brightness, auto-dim turned off it I could (yes the PB runs Tiger), and the keyboards were both lit the same. I tried to compare the two equally. I've watched movies on my PB quite a bit and found the screen to not be bright enough at times. Specifically I remembered I just watched Iron Man a couple of weeks ago on it. So I of course took the Iron Man movie and put them up.
I've posted the photos on flickr (the rest of them) but I'll post the comparison of the two notebooks, the movie in one of it's darkest scenes with the brightness turned up to 4 notches on the bar (sorry I don't know how to explain that one) and then full brightness.
I think the only other thing to mention is I was sitting in the same position taking photos from eye level. This is the only way I can possibly imagine to show the difference or perhaps the "issues" with the new displays. I believe the photos showed exactly what I saw.
Higher Res Flickr photos can be seen here.
Edit: I recall this being an issue in the iPhones. Does anyone recall if that was a software or hardware fix?
In addition, I am going to assume that most who see the photos are viewing them on their MB's. If this is the case then I bet they look worse. I'm currently viewing them on my MB and my 30" ACD connected to my MacPro. There is a huge deterioration of quality between the two making my photos look worse than they really are. However, they are bad ... the blacks I mean.
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The alumiMB screen is better in brightness than the previous generation - no doubt. Out of the box it has very cold blue cast about it that I found difficult to calibrate out. There is an icc profile posted here that tremendously helps that issue.
Issue 1 pretty much solved.
Okay, now issue 2 - the blacks can be washed out and are not consistent from top to bottom. There is an extremely small viewing angle where it almost works but you have to constantly adjust the display if you move or move the computer in the least. A little too much back angle and blacks go "negative" and a little too much forward there are no blacks. You almost have to tilt the screen a little towards you from 45º. This isn't apparent as much until you go to a dark web page or watch a video. Things I'm sure no one with a new MB would ever do, right.
So, even though the previous generations display may not have been as bright or LCD backlit, it had a more useable display. I never had a problem with old MB displays. They were okay but not great. I think you have to actually have the new one in your lap for a week or so to appreciate how craptatstic they actually are.
Thank you for that review, it's a lot more helpful than "the Air's is better".
Jessica, I was pleased until i saw that last photo, thats from a normal viewing angle? Kinda scary, its making me lean towards a MBP...
Yes, check the flickr photos to see the angle as it is (I used a flash to light up the notebooks a bit). Then every photo you see while the movie is playing was taken with the camera lens at eye level. I do not sit high or low in a chair. I'd say it'd be a pretty standard viewing angle for many. The screen slightly slanted and me sitting back in a chair. Actually, it nearly mimics how I'd sit on a plane ... which was my intent.
I had the Air, sold it for the Macbook due to the many issues I had with the Air.
Again, I did not deny the Air's screen isnt better nor the Pros. The macbooks screen is getting bashed too much to the point where people saying the Air's screen is bounds and leaps better where you just cant have the macbooks screen.
for your average needs, the average consumer (who outside of here will buy this machine) will not be affected by the screen.
True. I had my MB today next to my friends MBA and it made me wonder what all the fuzz is about. Ok the MBA is a bit better, but the MB looks fine after using the right profile.
I seriously wanted this MB to replace my Air for travel. I knew the screen wouldn't be as good as the MBA/MBP but assumed it couldn't be worse than the last gen. MB. - WRONG. It is.
The average consumer wouldn't want to use that DVD drive to watch a DVD then? Seriously, the screen can't handle a dark scene without adjusting constantly and never even top to bottom. It's a black thing and viewing angle issue. You think it's just people here - follow this link my friend:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1757089&tstart=0
I'm not going to argue the angle issue as that has been stated many times but the angle issue doesnt bother me to the point where I do not like the machine. As for the previous gen screen, no way that is good as this one. My main reason to get the Air and Pro last year were for the LED screen since the previous gen macbook was so washed and dull.
I can't tell much of a difference between my previous blackbook and this new 2.4 macbook's screen (I owned both). The new one's screen is sightly better overall (I do a lot of work with photographs), but the blacks in it are awful like many have said. I understand many want to bash the last generation Macbook because it makes them feel better about the one they bought (not saying you), but in reality, well in my opinion, it isn't that great of a change. Graphics it is better I guess, but then again I'm not stupid enough to buy a Macbook for games. That is what my Playstation using my plasma tele is for (play games on that and the Macbook looks like a Dollar Store toy).
Both laptops are good anyways.
You will like it if you don't watch movies. Try and watch the cave scenes in Iron Man and see anything. Well, you can adjust it back to see the top - oh, then adjust it forward to see the bottom. Come on - it's plain unacceptable. I know you want so hard to love it but I'm just speakin' the truth.
So you do actually own one? What model screen do you have if I may ask?
True, I do not watch movies. I haven't even put in a disc in the drive and have little use for it (hence why the Air was perfect for me if not for the heat and core shutdowns with basic tasks). I have the 2.4 for the backlit keyboard.
Then you'll be fine. The newer Airs I'm sure will run cooler and many of the issues from first rev sorted out.
I ran out of disk space on my Air and while traveling, it'd be nice to pop in a DVD. So what the heck, I bought the new MB. As I said, the issues are the unobtainable uniform black level from top to bottom given any angle. As long as you're not full screen or using mostly white backgrounds, it's adequate - with a different display calibration to compensate for cold screen tone.
I think there are a lot more people who will watch a movie on their MB than not and it's a good thing to know before they purchase it.
I agree with what your saying though. Viewing blacks on the full screen will casue problems. tested a dvd and see what everyone is fussing about. I still want an Air. I am waiting for the next revision though. Hopefully by then they have fixed all the issues and updated the look to the rest of the lineup.
We're being fussy? If you're willing to accept a crappy screen in a $1600 machine, then you're exactly the kind of suckers Apple is looking for.
IMHO, this screen is an abomination. I will return my laptop if I don't get it replaced w/ a 9C8C screen or an MBP.
IMHO, this screen is an abomination. I will return my laptop if I don't get it replaced w/ a 9C8C screen or an MBP.