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So apparently Lion sucks?

hyperpiper45 said:
Damn that does not look good.
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And there comes some blind Apple fanboys who think whatever Apple does is good and down rated your post and my post. Seriously, wouldn't they even think before down rating? Tell me how exactly you can pick the correct window at a glance with that mess (it's the only aspect I'm dissatisfied with so far). At least respond and not just down rate... :rolleyes:

Rant complete.
 
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Simplicated said:
At least respond and not just down rate... :rolleyes:

Rant complete.
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Thats the whole point of the rating system. To get rid of unnecessary redundancies and wasted space in the discussion by adding "+1" responses. Lurkers can continue to lurk but still contribute by giving or taking away weight from existing posts without having to regurgitate what's been probably said and stated countless times.
 
maclaptop said:
I was _NOT_ amongst those who were critical of Snow Leopard.

Lion is the first Mac OS I have ever been critical of, since I first embraced the Mac as my platform of choice beginning with System 7.

Therefore please take your assumptions elsewhere.

Thank You :)
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Same here. But for me OS X 10.0, 10.2 and Lion GM are the worse OS versions ever.
 
Cinder6 said:
I agree it's annoying, but at least you can still use App Exposé. Either hit ^F3 (Exposé button) or enable 3-finger swipe down in System Preferences if you want a gesture.

Hopefully they make it more accessible in future versions (3-finger down over app in Mission Control would be nice).
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Maybe I have lazy fingers but you guys really should try setting up a "hot corner" in Lion to access Mission control. (among other things) I forget exactly where it's at but it's also in SL.

Just a one finger "flick" of your mouse arrow to a corner pops up Expose'... do it again and it closes it. I use the lower right screen corner for this myself and another corner to show only the application windows.

The gestures are too inconsistent in Lion so I use them as little as possible. If I ever lost 9 fingers in a wood chipper I'd still be ok. :D
 
Bugs and whatnot...

Well, I tried the Lion GM for a few days, and overall I really liked it.

Sure, it has a lot of minor bugs still, but as with any OS I'm sure they will be fixed in a relatively short time.

The only major issue I had, was that Lion ran about 10 degrees hotter than Snow Leopard (both on upgrade install and clean install).

The UI was sometimes sluggish, assuming because of all the fancy new animations and whatnot, and the fact that I'm still on a 2008 24' iMac, so I expected some performance hits.

I don't really have a use for Launchpad, personally I don't see the point of it, but that's just me. But I love Mission Control, and the gestures.

There seems to be quite a few nice refinements in Lion, the animations, gestures, etc.

The only thing I think Apple is doing wrong, is rushing this thing out the door. It could stand a lot more tweaking to optimize speed on slower systems. And there are definitely a lot of bugs still. (Although seemingly minor ones, for me anyway).

Overall a great upgrade I think, but personally I hope that GM build is not the final, it's too buggy and sluggish, one more build would be better.
 
A lot of performance issues are probably due to the fact it hasn't been released yet (it's still in the Golden Master state). Even when an OS is released (any OS and again Lion hasn't been released) there are always some issues with the .1 and .2 releases. If I had to guess any issue with performance would be fixed by 10.7.2 or 10.7.3
Personally I like Lion and there are a TON of features not mentioned at WWDC, if you go to the Apple website you can see there are 250+ and they are all nicely listed.
 
ZbHRP said:
App folder is still there.

When you have more than 5 Finder windows, Mission Control really sucks.


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I agree, but I get what Apple meant to do. Mission control is a quick way to switch between apps and spaces while seeing it all. There's no more expose for all windows because it's been split up. Mission control is to see everything that's going on, and when you have say 5 finder windows open, you'd use the single app expose on that. So essentially, Apple's idea is this: Mission control to just see everything that's going on, not necessarily easy to switch apps though, while having app expose to zoom out on all the windows you have of a single app. Sounds annoying, but I've gotten used to it and it's not that bad of a concept if you think about it. It's simplifying things, at least for me.
 
Launchpad is cool. So are a few various features.

And for $30 to upgrade, how could you not?
 
For me it has not improved my work flow at all, has sent it backwards. Mission Control is so much slower then the old Exposè & Spaces. It guzzles ram like no tomorrow.

I have little doubt Lion will eventually turn into a good OS but right now if you need your computer for serious work, Lion i would not recommend.
 
its really not that bad. takes some time to adjust but overall it will be better with updates. can't just try messing with it and call it bad cuz its different.

I really like the multiple desktops that you can have :D i think thats pretty sweet
 
Lion is fine, if anything it's a boring incremental update. The annoying stuff like opposite scrolling is easy to turn off. My only complaint is that it's more resource hungry, it certainly eats up more RAM for no good reason.
 
Macopotamus said:
Lion is fine, if anything it's a boring incremental update. The annoying stuff like opposite scrolling is easy to turn off. My only complaint is that it's more resource hungry, it certainly eats up more RAM for no good reason.
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My thoughts exactly. I don't even see it worthy of $30.
 
I don't understand why all of the sudden they are charging €23 for this when usually iOS upgrades are free of charge.
 
stefan1975 said:
I don't understand why all of the sudden they are charging €23 for this when usually iOS upgrades are free of charge.
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Isn't it usually iPhone updates that are free due to carrier subsidization, but you have to pay something like $10 for iPod? Or did they stop doing that and make them all free? (I know it was free for the iPad, but that was so close to the release.)
 
Simplicated said:
...Which means you have to do more to accomplish the same.

EDIT: Even when you did scroll, how does this promote productivity?
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Try not posting a cropped image to make the "illusion" that it is messy or cluttered. Looks biased whenever someone edits a picture like you have.
Also, having lots of different windows open on all the same/similar pages is of course going to look cluttered... I mean it's pretty hard to differentiate between windows when they all have the same content and/or look the same.
In normal use, most websites would look different and thus would make it not look so messy.

Not saying that it isn't messy or unorganised or whatever (haven't got Lion to try it out), I'm just pointing out some flaws in your image.

P.S. That's why I down voted you.
 
Apart from the UI changes that affect the user, aren't there many more "under the hood changes" that affect developers and their ability to create applications?

I'm not one, so it'd be interesting to hear what the big developers think.
 
RJCP said:
It depends on a couple of things. First one is wether or not you attempt to run it with 2GB of RAM. If you do, you may be asking for a headache... it doesn't run smoothly at all on a 2GB system. Upgrading to 4GB is quite cheap and if you do that, it will take off.
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I run OS X Lion GM in the machine you see in my signature. I have 2 Gigs of RAM, in an iMac model of 2006. I can tell you that it runs way better than Snow Leopard. I for one will make the switch to Lion the moment it is released.

Not to mention that Mission Control was what it was missing in the OS for me. As a developer, I find it life-saving, especially if you want to use a macbook 13 inch for developing. It really adapts itself nicely to my dual-screen configuration option, too. I really love it.
 
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