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So apparently Lion sucks?

Stok3 said:
But im sure there will another Spaces clone to fix this issue.
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But unless they also find a way to get Spaces out of Expose' we're stuck with all that crap at the top of every desktop.

I have no problems with those of you that use Spaces regularly (more power to you) but I never do. I'd simply rather have my half dozen open windows use all my screen real estate like Expose does now in SL.

If you don't use spaces and disable dashboard as a space you're left with this lone screen-wasting miniature icon at the top of your screen that you'll never click. It's just there taking up valuable room on my 13" screen.

I just don't understand Apple's reasoning for merging two separate apps that worked reasonably well by themselves and force everyone to "tolerate" this change to Mission Control. Especially when they've gone to great lengths to give us options to disable a lot of the new Lion stuff elsewhere. (lest we throw a fit).

Totally perplexing.
 
I do agree there should at least be the option to have them be separate. If enough people provide the feedback I'm sure Apple would fix it. IMO their reasoning for Mission Control is to ween people off Spaces all together. They want it to be like the iPad with full screen apps that each take up a Space and you have to swipe between apps, basically just to serve the purpose of multi-touch.

Personally its not a big deal to me but i will miss the cmd+(n) to switch directly but i can get used to it. And Apps like BetterTouchTool may resolve this issue
 
My 2c

Mid 2007 MBP, 4GB, 120 OC2 Vertex Main HDD bay. Upgrade from 10.6.8 with GM build.

System runs well, quite smooth.

New Mission Control is no where near as nice as previous. No 'All Spaces, All Applications' display. Also you can only move applications from the current desktop to another, so if you want to move an app from another desktop into the one your currently viewing you have to move to that desktop first. Mission Control seems a step backwards.

Have had Apple Mail crash twice. And an entire kernel panic once (not encountered these issues with SL to date).

Love full disk encryption and being able to encrypt any HFS+ drive (internal or external) good to have for the security conscious.

iCal - have had problems with it, some events through they have been accepted show in grey, sometimes when moving an event it does not move properly (jumps back to where it was) - though using the edit screen worked correctly (rather than click/drag).

So some pluses and minus, will be interesting to see how Apple handle the Spaces/Applications issue mentioned above as I know most people using multiple desktops take advantage of that kind of feature.
 
If you read these forums, most of it tells the downsides and bugs of Lion more than the good stuff, and these bugs and stuff don't affect everyone, just a small percentage of people running Lion. Everyone's experience will be different, so just be ready for the worst, but expect the best. (in other words, be prepared for your computer to get screwed up just in case, but be optimistic)
 
maclaptop said:
Lion is nothing more than a new version of Snow Leopard with extra layers of fluff and what some might call "Eye Candy"... for a a computer professional these "improvements" are viewed as clutter.
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Funny that would be your "complaint" because as I recall many "computer professionals" spat on Snow Leopard because it had very few new visible features and was mostly an "invisible" under the hood rewrite. The meme du jour when SL shipped was that Apple took Leopard, broke it (because many apps and drivers would not play with it because it was rewritten), and then re-marketed it as Snow Leopard. Leo Laporte was so furious he dubbed it "Snow Job."

Now people are all cozy w/ SL because its mature and the new guy on the block (10.7) is the boogy man. People can be so backward looking even as they embrace Apple's once slogan of "Think Different." What a joke.

My guess, based on history, is that anything truly horrible in 10.7, like not being able to disable a "feature" will be fixed in a future update similar to how the hardware screen switch on the iPad was put back "by popular demand."
 
I'm personally not a fan of Lion, but "it sucks" is a pretty generic term. It's good if you like it.
 
It Changes a LOT Like no applications folder(In Dock), No Mounted images on desktop, No Rosetta so No PPC apps like MacTheRipper. But the new features really make it worth it.
 
Joelb955 said:
It Changes a LOT Like no applications folder(In Dock), No Mounted images on desktop, No Rosetta so No PPC apps like MacTheRipper. But the new features really make it worth it.
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Was it there in SL by default? Can you not add it to the dock in Lion?
 
Joelb955 said:
It Changes a LOT Like no applications folder(In Dock), No Mounted images on desktop, No Rosetta so No PPC apps like MacTheRipper. But the new features really make it worth it.
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App folder is still there.

When you have more than 5 Finder windows, Mission Control really sucks.


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Chupa Chupa said:
Funny that would be your "complaint" because as I recall many "computer professionals" spat on Snow Leopard because it had very few new visible features and was mostly an "invisible" under the hood rewrite.
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I was _NOT_ amongst those who were critical of Snow Leopard.

Lion is the first Mac OS I have ever been critical of, since I first embraced the Mac as my platform of choice beginning with System 7.

Therefore please take your assumptions elsewhere.

Thank You :)
 
ZbHRP said:
App folder is still there.

When you have more than 5 Finder windows, Mission Control really sucks.


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If you have more than 5 windows, scroll up if you move your pointer on the windows, problem solved.
 
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I just don't like how Apple says "major" upgrade. Microsoft Windows OS's are examples of major upgrades. Apple upgrades only add minor features, just like it does to iOS. It's not a complete overhaul, which is what you expect when you hear major upgrade.

Honestly, for a normal user that just browse, you probably won't be able to tell the difference between SL & L.
 
benthewraith said:
Perhaps it's just personal opinion, but:

I liked having the drives listed at the top rather than the bottom. Also, when I first installed Lion, Finder did not list my local internal hard drive under devices.

I'm still going to upgrade to purchase and upgrade to Lion as there does seem to be an improvement over Snow Leopard.
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I agree that the all my files view is a bit pointless, but you can set it to open on whatever folder you prefer anyway so it doesn't really matter.
 
nfl46 said:
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I just don't like how Apple says "major" upgrade. Microsoft Windows OS's are examples of major upgrades. Apple upgrades only add minor features, just like it does to iOS. It's not a complete overhaul, which is what you expect when you hear major upgrade.

Honestly, for a normal user that just browse, you probably won't be able to tell the difference between SL & L.
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i think most devs would disagree with your logic. In the end they will be able to deliver a better/seamless experience to the user.

Also a touch based UI is a major addition to the OS. It changes the way you use your computer.
 
Its not my cup of tea

Thus far, my first impression of Lion was favourable - I'm not into all the 'bells and whistles - and usually custom instal what I actually require, a bare minimum OS that's stable and efficient.

Having upgraded all my SL 10.6.8 Macs to Lion, none of these a clean instal, I thought it was good - obviously new natural mouse scrolling threw me a bit, but, as others claim - its a good OS with Track Pad, I've yet to set mine up though.

However, from a favourable impression, I encountered huge problems with my 2010 Mac Mini, constant Kernal panics and a whole host of other issues - it took more than 24 hours to sort these out, basically, had to backup my media centre to my new iMac, part ion, clean instal, copy and see what happened - after much work, including the dropping of PLex in favour of Twonky, all seems well.

On quad core imac i7 27in, todate no issues from an install on top of SL, clean in tall in my other iMac 27 i7 - a mirror of my media server, and again all is sweet.

It will take a while to get used to this and I'm not confident all major issues will be ironed out until around 10.7.3, hopefully that will be by the years end, in which case Lion should beat the pants off Windows 7 - is it VISTA, no, it has issues, these will be ironed out - I do wish I'd stayed with SL though, but given I've made the move, no going back now.

I'll give it 75% now, and with necessary updates, hopefully a 95% before the year is out.
 
PBP said:
If you have more than 5 windows, scroll up if you move your pointer on the windows, problem solved.
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...Which means you have to do more to accomplish the same.

EDIT: Even when you did scroll, how does this promote productivity?
 

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I agree it's annoying, but at least you can still use App Exposé. Either hit ^F3 (Exposé button) or enable 3-finger swipe down in System Preferences if you want a gesture.

Hopefully they make it more accessible in future versions (3-finger down over app in Mission Control would be nice).
 
Stok3 said:
i think most devs would disagree with your logic. In the end they will be able to deliver a better/seamless experience to the user.

Also a touch based UI is a major addition to the OS. It changes the way you use your computer.
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What is the point of a touch-based OS if there's no touch?
 
When Lion is released, please report what you don't like to Apple.

They've listened in the past. The 10.5.2 update saw a reintroduction of heiarchical folder menus in the dock, toned down transparency in the menu bar, and the option to turn the transparency off. I wouldn't be surprised if a 10.7.2 update added all window expose as an additional option, fixed fullscreen with multiple monitors, and added an option to disable resume on a per-app basis. Those simple things would quell a lot of the complaints here.
 
I hope these valid improvement suggestions are posted on Apple's site. Ultimately, it would be these that may go into .2 or .3 of the OS release making Lion better than before. The new features sound pretty good, and it looked like just the thing to get me using Spaces and Expose more in Mission control, but I know I also never used Spaces to the level that some of you did. I can see how that new paradigm slows you down a bit on setup as I never used them to that capacity. Mine was more from an idea of giving more apps the full space of the screen and swapping between them via spaces.

Still, if some of these suggestions make it into Mission control, it would be even more robust and capable of a wider variety of workload shortcuts.
 
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