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  1. Zirel Suspended

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    Despite what some armchair analysts predicted, Apple didn't announce an Alexa/Google Home competitor.

    Apple instead focused in launching SiriKit, which expands what Siri can do to existing devices. Alexa can expand, but Google Now can't, like Cortana which also doesn't offer this.

    The most obvious usage for these kind of devices, is for home automation, Apple holds the crown with most devices and most diversified line on the market for their HomeKit platform, and more coming according to this year CES, second comes Samsung which has security problems, and also seems like only Samsung is developing for it, while Microsoft doesn't have anything on this, and Google's Project Weave (strikingly similar to HomeKit, even the process and the protocols, that launched in 2015) and Android Brillo produced zero devices on the market. Amazon doesn't have a uniform platform for this, but their Alexa can expand to accommodate devices.

    Apple instead tells us "use our existing devices" with now the 4 platforms now supporting Siri, some newer devices with hot word detection, and a first party application for iPhone, iPod touch, iPad and Apple Watch.

    Despite ludicrous statements and pushes from the press, nobody is buying Alexa, and despite The Verge and everyone else trying VERY HARD to undermine the success of the Apple Watch, is that the "flop" dwarves completely the novel Amazon speaker.

    In my opinion, Google's product is going to the way of the Nexus Q, specially when it launches, and Android people realize it costs money for the same function they have on their watches.

    I predict that Apple won't release anything similar and the thing that one day could have been a product category will die once and for all, as Jeff Bezos searches for anything new and unproven to show to Wall Street, that is, if the Startup bubble won't burst before.
     
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    Really, no one is buying it?

    Your statement seems to be the polar opposite of what's occurring. Do you have any source material to confirm that Alexa is a failure? From what I've seen, first hand, and reading various articles, Alexa is a surprise hit

    She has a name': Amazon's Alexa is a sleeper hit, with serious superfans
    Amazon Echo turns into a sleeper hit, offsetting Fire's failure
    Echo/Alexa device lineup now outselling Kindles for Amazon
    Amazon Echo review: A perfect 10

    I think the success of the Echo caught everyone off guard, including Google who's now scrambling to roll out their own home assistant.

    I think Apple is working on one as well which will be Siri based (obviously). We didn't see it at WWDC, because the last few years Apple has dedicated WWDC to be software only. Plus I think the success of the Echo surprised Apple as well, who was in perfect position to provide such a device, but failed (for what ever reason), now they're playing catch up.
     
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    Well my arguments is as always "you can talk to anything else Apple" Maybie there is really no point in a competitor, when everyone would have iPhone's and be useful for Siri anyway. Plus, there small devices u can take *with you*

    You can either probably, have an Alexa competitor in the home in every room for those times u need voice access which would be over and above the cost of getting a iphone, which can be used for calling.

    I guess people wanna talk on the phone and use siri at the same time is the main reason for one. I don't see much use in that.
     
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    Because we have iPhones and iPads that can do what the Echo does. Why do I need another device for this?
     
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    I have an iPhone and iPad and an Amazon Echo, and you are right, you don't "need" the Echo... but I like it a lot and use it constantly. It just a nice and easy way to access some of the same things you would on your iPhone, without having to pull the phone out of your pocket or go find your phone and activate Siri. Or for the times your hands are full (like cooking) and want a quick timer. That sort of thing. I also use my Echo quite a bit to stream music.
     
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    No, nobody is buying that useless junk.

    Those are examples of Amazon's PR ventriloquism. Amazon has sold 2-4 million of them in 2 years! Apple Watch in the other hand, most studies show they have sold more than 10 million in the first year.

    Those prost... pressti... press members are also saying that the Apple Watch is a flop.

    Either they are wrong or they are right. And they are mathematically wrong.

    Failed?

    If Apple launched a product that sells only less than 10 million a year, that would be a failure!

    That's where the Apple Watch enters, hence my comparison.

    For streaming music, the Apple Watch can also do through your iPhone speaker, or a bluetooth device.
     
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    I honestly can't tell if you are serious. So you are really suggesting I should buy a $299 Apple Watch to perform the functions my Amazon Echo does?

    Stream music to an iPhone speaker? Really? Have you ever heard music over an iPhone speaker? For the price of a nice Bluetooth speaker, you can buy an Amazon Echo that can be used as a BT speaker, it that is what you are after.

    Myself and many others really enjoy their Amazon Echo. If you don't see the use case, I get that. But your comments really seem needlessly hyperbolic. When you say things like this, it makes me inclined to dismiss anything else you say.
     
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    Are you really suggesting that I should buy a $179 Amazon Echo to do what my Apple Watch does, but only on my home, but doesn't tell me time, doesn't sit on my wrist, doesn't make calls, can't track my exercise, etc. etc. etc.?

    The Apple Watch is much more than Siri on the wrist!

    For $20 you can get a nice bluetooth speaker.

    Dozes of users...

    Look, I allow you to enjoy your devices, but it's a niche, a ridiculously overhyped niche device.
     
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    Now you are just trolling. I'm out.
     
  10. Zirel thread starter Suspended

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    No, I'm not. That's my point.

    Amazon Echo makes sense... for a vocal minority. Most people (reading the relevant subreddit) they are more interested in a central hub for home automation, and Apple kills it ATM with HomeKit gaining momentum.
     
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    So "no one" or "dozens" or "millions"?
     
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    I backed up my statement, citing material, as per the rules, please back up your statement of fact that there are only dozens of users of the Echo.

    Rules for Appropriate debate
     
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    You know what I mean figuratively.
     
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    Seems to me, you were not saying them figuratively
    Clearly you were trying to portray the Echo as a failure, but the evidence is on the side, where it is a success.
     
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    So convince me otherwise.

    The only sales estimate out there, is from a single source, and one I personally never believed in their integrity.

    They say that Amazon sold 3 million units from end 2014 to April 2016.

    Comparing to the Apple Watch Christmas 2015 quarter:

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    That's less than the worst estimate for the Apple Watch!

    And that's only a quarter!

    Sorry, but 3 million in a year, is not a success.
     
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    The Apple Watch and Amazon Echo can't even be compared. They're two very different products that are both bought with different use cases in mind. The watch for health and notifications, the Echo for a voice assistant.

    It is going to be hard for Amazon to compete in the long run because they don't have the integrations that Apple and Google do, but they are winning now with a product that works well for the people who bought it. You can't say the same with the Apple Watch, which now is at the third iteration of its SDK because of its shortcomings.

    It is plausible that Apple is doing a Siri speaker with Beats audio, but people are already using Siri on iOS, the Apple Watch, and Apple TV, so of course they started there and are adding support to the Mac. If there wasn't a demand for the mobility of an assistant, then Amazon wouldn't have to bother with its additional dongles that let you use Alexa on the go.
     
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    Because it's *not* a phone as well.. Don't u want a deceive in the kitchen u can shout at?
     
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    People have already been bringing their tablets to the kitchen. Some people have their cookbooks on them, either ebooks or on apps, and some just use them for watching Netflix while cooking (It's what our cookbook holder is used for anyway! :oops:).

    I remember the first thing someone tried when the Smart Cover was introduced - They stuck the iPad on the refrigerator.
     
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    I just recently finished setting up HomeBridge to allow Siri to control all my devices connected through SmartThings. But I still use the Amazon Echo because it has a better microphone and is better hands-free.

    But I do not have any stock in Apple or Amazon (I don't think) so I do not worry if a product is a success or a "flop." If I like it and find use for it, I can only hope they keep selling it.

    Did you go more DIY with a Raspberry Pi setup so you do not like the Echo for the cost? Or do you have a HomeKit setup and all your friends are integrated into it so when they come over and they control things too? I assume that can convoluted if they have their own HomeKit devices too.
     
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    Nobody is comparing the Echo with the Apple Watch.

    The comparison is between the Apple Watch success and the Echo.

    The Apple Watch is a successful product that the media LOVE to dismiss as a failure.

    The Echo is a total failure that the media LOVE to portray as revolutionary.
     
  21. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    So the actual issue is the media then and their differing criteria for success/failure?
     
  22. Zirel thread starter Suspended

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    No, the issue is about the product category that is overhyped.
     

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