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So apple is telling us we should wait 5 MORE WEEKS >:( Until they release

PNutts said:
Honest question here because I don't know. Did Apple notify developers that certain APIs they use will no longer work in iOS 7 or cause the application to crash? If so then the developers are to blame. If not, then Apple is. I don't know what backwards compatibility Apple provided in iOS 7. The third option is that iOS 7 is buggy.
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Um, have you ever logged into the Developer section of Apple's sight? It says what APIs are deprecated, has videos and documents on transitioning to more modern APIs, change logs that point out known bugs, etc. This talk of "backwards compatibility" is a bit confusing because each version of iOS isn't a complete rewrite (very few OS's do anything like that).

It sounds to me like you don't know anything about software development but still known enough to consider iOS 7 a buggy mess. That doesn't make sense.
 
NT1440 said:
Um, have you ever logged into the Developer section of Apple's sight? It says what APIs are deprecated, has videos and documents on transitioning to more modern APIs, change logs that point out known bugs, etc. This talk of "backwards compatibility" is a bit confusing because each version of iOS isn't a complete rewrite (very few OS's do anything like that).

It sounds to me like you don't know anything about software development but still known enough to consider iOS 7 a buggy mess. That doesn't make sense.
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I said "buggy" not "buggy mess" but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Understanding iOS 7 development isn't required to see something that doesn't work. If you are suggesting iOS 7 doesn't have bugs I'll ask, "Have you ever used iOS 7? Or maybe just not used the calculator (reproducible in 7.0.5) or iMessage or had the black/white screen of death or read the Release Notes. Here's a list of 30 that appear to be all iOS 7 issues but you can look through them to see. If you don't think iOS 7 has bugs then it's great your experience has been better than many. My co-worker who's phone shuts off when the battery reaches 50% won't agree with you.

Edit: I just got caught up in this thread after replying to your post. If you haven't read this thread already you should to see if anyone else considers iOS 7 to be problematic.
 
DBZmusicboy01 said:
iOS 7.1 ? THIS IS MADNESS....I am extremely upset that I still have to deal with MAJOR bugs on my iPhone 5 that has been there since December and I did everything even restored as new. STILL No fix and I really hope Apple releases 7.0.5 at least....Until 7.1 is ready. Come on what kind of company waits 4+ MONTHS Just to release a .1 update? It makes sense when it was iOS 6 to iOS 7....But to iOS 7.1 It will take apple that many months? That's not normal for a company that have billions of dollars and leaving all of us waiting until a .1 update. :mad: Who wouldn't be angry?
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Once you've become more familiar with Apple, it'll be obvious. Apple is a dictator that does things if they want, when they want, and doesn't care if customers must wait. Convinced Apple is the God of tech, they'll dutifully wait, and wait, and wait. It's good to be Apple :D
 
Sadredas said:
I know, the bugs make everyone upset, but I think the longer we wait, the better will iOS 7.1 be.
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Most likely. I do wish people would not get get so upset when their prejudices are questioned! Anyone with even a basic knowledge of coding will know that it's almost impossible to write a completely bug-free programme. Random faults can be generated by associated applications etc.
 
Michael Goff said:
Most people haven't.
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Seems like plenty must have for Apple to actually come out and aknowledge a big enough issue, which is something they avoid doing as much as possible.

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John T said:
Most likely. I do wish people would not get get so upset when their prejudices are questioned! Anyone with even a basic knowledge of coding will know that it's almost impossible to write a completely bug-free programme. Random faults can be generated by associated applications etc.
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Just as people can admit there can be something rather bad in the actual OS code that the manufacturer needs to fix (especially when the manufacturer even came out and said that themselves).
 
PNutts said:
I said "buggy" not "buggy mess" but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Understanding iOS 7 development isn't required to see something that doesn't work. If you are suggesting iOS 7 doesn't have bugs I'll ask, "Have you ever used iOS 7? Or maybe just not used the calculator (reproducible in 7.0.5) or iMessage or had the black/white screen of death or read the Release Notes. Here's a list of 30 that appear to be all iOS 7 issues but you can look through them to see. If you don't think iOS 7 has bugs then it's great your experience has been better than many. My co-worker who's phone shuts off when the battery reaches 50% won't agree with you.

Edit: I just got caught up in this thread after replying to your post. If you haven't read this thread already you should to see if anyone else considers iOS 7 to be problematic.
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You've completely ignored my point. SOFTWARE HAS BUGS, there is no way around that. As far as apps are concerned, that's not the OS itself that is container of the bugs (though you will see the occasional handling of that app be problematic).

Again, I never claimed that iOS7 doesn't have bugs, but you are clearly mixing together so many different topics that there is no coherence to your claims. First its apps, or that Apple somehow didn't supply the information, then its that certain cases exist (and they sure do). But the original post I commented on was to take on the notion that somehow Apple dropped the ball in a way that, at least from the tone of your post, was unprecedented.

Software is software, there are always bugs. Nothing will change that other than fixes (such as 7.1) but fixes themselves bring bugs along with them.

This entire thread is based on anger that apple is taking so long, but it seems to be divided into "they should hurry up and release a fix (in which itself will introduce bugs given that these posters want things to be rushed out)" or "this whole system is screwed up!".

At the end of the day its armchair coders thinking they have a leg to stand on. Consumerism has done awful things to virtues such as patience, and people seem to be angered by things they don't understand but somehow know enough that resolution shouldn't take this long.

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sixrom said:
Once you've become more familiar with Apple, it'll be obvious. Apple is a dictator that does things if they want, when they want, and doesn't care if customers must wait. Convinced Apple is the God of tech, they'll dutifully wait, and wait, and wait. It's good to be Apple :D
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How's that Windows XP SVCHost bug working out, 15 years later? :rolleyes:
 
DBZmusicboy01 said:
iOS 7.1 ? THIS IS MADNESS....I am extremely upset that I still have to deal with MAJOR bugs on my iPhone 5 that has been there since December and I did everything even restored as new. STILL No fix and I really hope Apple releases 7.0.5 at least....Until 7.1 is ready. Come on what kind of company waits 4+ MONTHS Just to release a .1 update? It makes sense when it was iOS 6 to iOS 7....But to iOS 7.1 It will take apple that many months? That's not normal for a company that have billions of dollars and leaving all of us waiting until a .1 update. :mad: Who wouldn't be angry?
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When exactly did APPLE tell you this?
 
well my iPhone 5 shuts off randomly if its not connected with the power cable and this only happened after updating to iOS 7.0.4 Now 7.0.3 is when it shut off at around 40 percent but once I did a restore and update to a new version to see if it fixed the problem now it actually made it shut off if it's not plugged into a power source. Many people are experiencing the same problem with iPhone 5 on iOS 7.0.3 and 7.0.4
I hope Apple sees this because when I was on iOS 7.0 or 7.0.1 it was perfect in terms of bugs the only problem was the battery only lasted around 7 hours but it never shut off at around 40 percent...iOS 6.1.4 Was PERFECT on iPhone 5
 
NT1440 said:
Again, I never claimed that iOS7 doesn't have bugs, but you are clearly mixing together so many different topics that there is no coherence to your claims.
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It's not hard to understand if you slow down. Either the devs didn't read the documentation Apple provided or Apple didn't provide good documentation. That's one topic. I then threw in the third option that everyone did the right thing and the issue is iOS 7 is buggy. Adding that third option still makes a total of one topic. I'll make it easy: Disregard the question.
 
John T said:
Most likely. I do wish people would not get get so upset when their prejudices are questioned! Anyone with even a basic knowledge of coding will know that it's almost impossible to write a completely bug-free programme. Random faults can be generated by associated applications etc.
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You're correct, it is impossible to write bug-free code. But I worked in software development for 25+ years and there is such a thing as 'show-stoppers', meaning that the program should NOT be rolled out because the bug is serious enough to actually harm the functionality.

Apple not only rolled out an extremely buggy OS but they practically forced updates by automatically downloading the install files (thereby taking up 2-3 gigs of storage) and not allowing users to roll back to an older version of the OS. Not one project I ever worked on would ever have released any program in the same state iOS 7.0 is in. And we had deadlines just as critical as Apple does.

I have resprings and reboots every day on my new Air. Safari reloads tabs all the time, even when I only have 2 opened. I'm a bit tired of my $1000 Air performing worse than my $200 Kindle Fire. And waiting for 6-8 months for a fix is absolutely unforgivable.

As I stated before, 7.1 better be pretty darn spectacular or I'll never buy another Apple product. I originally started buying iPads (6 of the now) because the hardware was the best and the OS was ok. But now both Android and MS hardware have caught up and those OSs are much more stable.
 
donnaw said:
Apple not only rolled out an extremely buggy OS
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Funny that. For me it wasn't extremely buggy even at the very first beta, never mind the final release! Was it buggy? Sure thing, still is at 7.1 beta 5. Was it extremely buggy? Yeah, if you prefer to call it that way :rolleyes:
 
donnaw said:
You're correct, it is impossible to write bug-free code. But I worked in software development for 25+ years and there is such a thing as 'show-stoppers', meaning that the program should NOT be rolled out because the bug is serious enough to actually harm the functionality.

Apple not only rolled out an extremely buggy OS but they practically forced updates by automatically downloading the install files (thereby taking up 2-3 gigs of storage) and not allowing users to roll back to an older version of the OS. Not one project I ever worked on would ever have released any program in the same state iOS 7.0 is in. And we had deadlines just as critical as Apple does.

I have resprings and reboots every day on my new Air. Safari reloads tabs all the time, even when I only have 2 opened. I'm a bit tired of my $1000 Air performing worse than my $200 Kindle Fire. And waiting for 6-8 months for a fix is absolutely unforgivable.

As I stated before, 7.1 better be pretty darn spectacular or I'll never buy another Apple product. I originally started buying iPads (6 of the now) because the hardware was the best and the OS was ok. But now both Android and MS hardware have caught up and those OSs are much more stable.
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7.1 fixes all the restarts. And the safari reloading is much better. Not totally but definitely better.
 
C DM said:
Seems like plenty must have for Apple to actually come out and aknowledge a big enough issue, which is something they avoid doing as much as possible.

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Just as people can admit there can be something rather bad in the actual OS code that the manufacturer needs to fix (especially when the manufacturer even came out and said that themselves).
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Apple acknowledged "antenna-gate", which only affected around 1% of users.
 
Michael Goff said:
Due to the way that you had to hold the phone specifically, only approximately 1% of users actually complained about having their phones lose signal.
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I'd be curious to see those statistics somewhere.

(Not to mention that the number of those who actually complained most certainly doesn't represent those who are affected by the issue, nor even the fact that an issue can be present for everyone, even if not everyone actually experiences it.)
 
C DM said:
I'd be curious to see those statistics somewhere.

(Not to mention that the number of those who actually complained most certainly doesn't represent those who are affected by the issue, nor even the fact that an issue can be present for everyone, even if not everyone actually experiences it.)
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http://mashable.com/2012/03/29/iphone-4-antennagate-settlement/

Studies showed that the increase in dropped calls was less than 1% between the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.
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DBZmusicboy01 said:
iOS 7.1 ? THIS IS MADNESS....I am extremely upset that I still have to deal with MAJOR bugs on my iPhone 5 that has been there since December and I did everything even restored as new. STILL No fix and I really hope Apple releases 7.0.5 at least....Until 7.1 is ready. Come on what kind of company waits 4+ MONTHS Just to release a .1 update? It makes sense when it was iOS 6 to iOS 7....But to iOS 7.1 It will take apple that many months? That's not normal for a company that have billions of dollars and leaving all of us waiting until a .1 update. :mad: Who wouldn't be angry?
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you really LOVE to use CAPS to make a POINT don't you?

apple has RELEASED many .01 updated ALREADY to address various BUGS and are taking their TIME to make SURE that 7.1 is PERFECT. it has already gone through many CHANGES and ITERATIONS and still has BUGS so unfortunately you just have to DEAL WITH IT until it COMES.
 
Michael Goff said:
http://mashable.com/2012/03/29/iphone-4-antennagate-settlement/
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So that seems to say that the increase in dropped calls was less than 1%, not that 1% of the users experienced it. Two somewhat different things it would seem.

However, even if we were to say that a small number of users experienced the issue (perhaps mostly because they simply didn't hold the phone the way that would cause the issue), the underlying point that the issue was still present is still there. The flaw was not only acknowledged by Apple, but they even redesigned the antenna on their phones at least partially due to the fact that the originally design did actually have this flaw that they admitted was there (even if a lot of people perhaps didn't run into it on a regular basis).

So, the issue is there, no matter how downplayed it might be (if at all), and Apple acknowledging it certainly can't be used to show the opposite, that the issue doesn't exist. Now, those who might not encounter the issue might not care about it, or might even think everything is fine, but those who do clearly have a degraded experience, and some perhaps to a degree where it's quite noticeable for them.
 
Michael Goff said:
Apple acknowledged "antenna-gate", which only affected around 1% of users.
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Thats BS. It affected all users. And they only acknowledged after significant pressure and the PRESS stepping into the fray.

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Michael Goff said:
http://mashable.com/2012/03/29/iphone-4-antennagate-settlement/
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Studies showed that the increase in dropped calls was less than 1% between the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.

Is not what you said, AND does not account for call that never went through because there was not signal.
 
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