Can we trust Apple? I don't think so. Try to negotiate with Apple sales and get 3 year Apple care by free.
In my case, my 3 years Apple care is free and I just spent $50 for a 500G time capsule as I purchased 17inch MBP.
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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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Can we trust Apple? I don't think so. Try to negotiate with Apple sales and get 3 year Apple care by free.
In my case, my 3 years Apple care is free and I just spent $50 for a 500G time capsule as I purchased 17inch MBP.
Good luck!
HP and Dell stepped up and released their info on affected models.
So basically we're just waiting for Apple now and nvidia themselves.
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Can we trust Apple? I don't think so. Try to negotiate with Apple sales and get 3 year Apple care by free.
In my case, my 3 years Apple care is free and I just spent $50 for a 500G time capsule as I purchased 17inch MBP.
Good luck!
Waaaa?! Tell me your secrets! Did you ask/demand that stuff?
wow.
So it seems Apple and Nvidia really effed this one.
I was going to buy a current MacBook Pro but yeah, I really won't be taking my chances.
I have around enough money ... So I might wait and see how the Montevina MBP's go..
Unlucky to all you people who's MBP's GPU's died.
So it seems Apple and Nvidia really effed this one.
I was going to buy a current MacBook Pro but yeah, I really won't be taking my chances.
I have around enough money ... So I might wait and see how the Montevina MBP's go..
Unlucky to all you people who's MBP's GPU's died.
I would love to do that. But it dosn't look like their comming out before school starts.
I was wondering how Apple will address this issue.
Will nVidia fix the problem so new 8600 GT cards work fine?
Will Apple issue a recall for your logic board and graphics card to get replaced whether you have a problem or not? Or only if your computer is experiencing problems?
If Apple does replace the graphics card and logic board in your computer, is it possible for them to easily stick in, say, an ATI graphics card? Or would this require a complete redesign of the MBP?
Will nVidia fix the problem so new 8600 GT cards work fine?
Will Apple issue a recall for your logic board and graphics card to get replaced whether you have a problem or not? Or only if your computer is experiencing problems?
If Apple does replace the graphics card and logic board in your computer, is it possible for them to easily stick in, say, an ATI graphics card? Or would this require a complete redesign of the MBP?
With regards to my last question,
I didn't mean, "is it possible for Apple to simply swap GPUs off of logic boards" I meant is it actually possible for them to start engineering brand new logic boards that don't use the 8600 GT cards.
i.e rather than making logic boards with 8600 GTs soldered on, is it possible for them to make new logic boards with ATI graphics cards soldered on instead? Is this feesible, or would the inner workings of the machine need redesigned?
I didn't mean, "is it possible for Apple to simply swap GPUs off of logic boards" I meant is it actually possible for them to start engineering brand new logic boards that don't use the 8600 GT cards.
i.e rather than making logic boards with 8600 GTs soldered on, is it possible for them to make new logic boards with ATI graphics cards soldered on instead? Is this feesible, or would the inner workings of the machine need redesigned?
Can I just say, this whole situation has put a right downer on owning a MBP. I spent a lot of money because I wanted the absolute best. And I believe the MBP is it!
I have the 3 year AppleCare on my machine, but I don't like the prospect of waiting for the inevitable to happen. I paid a premium for this machine expecting it to last at least 3 years.
I feel the best course of action for me, would be to sell my machine on eBay when the new MBPs come out in September.
I have the 3 year AppleCare on my machine, but I don't like the prospect of waiting for the inevitable to happen. I paid a premium for this machine expecting it to last at least 3 years.
I feel the best course of action for me, would be to sell my machine on eBay when the new MBPs come out in September.
Hmm...true true. But there are complications though. I don't think a notebook's motherboard is like a desktop motherboard where you can just pull your GPU out and switch for a new one (even if it's not soldered on). I'm guessing the board has to be tailored specifically for a certain GPU including it's features and power requirements.
Even though my above statement may be false, from a business perspective, it will take a few weeks to negotiate with AMD and settle for a fair price for X units. After that it'll take a longer time to AMD to manufacture X units and transport it to Apple, and a few more weeks to modify their assembly line to use the new chips. I haven't even mention software support and testing and whatnot.
So with that BS said, since Apple is due to release a newer lineup anyway, I think it is more logical in business terms to suck it up for a month. Also they probably have enough of a stock pile of current logic board spare parts meant for repairing purpose. They will milk all the damage in monetary terms from Nvidia away...there is no mercy in business.
Mobo manufacturers are starting to pull premium Nvidia based mobos off the shelves. Looks like we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/31/nvidia-790i-board-pulled-makers
Looks like we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/31/nvidia-790i-board-pulled-makers
buy now?
anyone buying now that is aware of this issue...well...I'm not sure how to comment politely on THAT decision. suffice it to say I think it's a bad move. There is no simple fix for this and I highly doubt Apple will provide motherboard upgrades for everyone with some new processor. they may be forced to do so or possibly they'll charge back to nVidia but at this point anyone with a problem machine has a time-bomb. sadly many will not fail for a couple of years, often out of warranty. buying now is really taking a gamble on Apple and their track record is neither horrible nor stellar. big gamble. I am waiting to buy two new mbp but I will absolutely not do so until a new graphics card is announced. one can never be sure that something like this won't occur again, but buying a known-bad video card equipped machine seems really foolish at this point.
anyone buying now that is aware of this issue...well...I'm not sure how to comment politely on THAT decision. suffice it to say I think it's a bad move. There is no simple fix for this and I highly doubt Apple will provide motherboard upgrades for everyone with some new processor. they may be forced to do so or possibly they'll charge back to nVidia but at this point anyone with a problem machine has a time-bomb. sadly many will not fail for a couple of years, often out of warranty. buying now is really taking a gamble on Apple and their track record is neither horrible nor stellar. big gamble. I am waiting to buy two new mbp but I will absolutely not do so until a new graphics card is announced. one can never be sure that something like this won't occur again, but buying a known-bad video card equipped machine seems really foolish at this point.
Is there any indication that the root problem has been fixed? My MBP just came back from Apple for graphics problems and they put in a new logic board. Is there any hope that the new gpu is good or did they just extend the time bomb?
Well, if ever there was a time to get that Apple Care extended warranty its now!!! I normally dont get those things, but Im going now before my one year expires.
I dunno about suing anyone about this though. I'm not trying to defend Apple here, but it depends how you define "defective". Because at the time they released the MBP with the GPU, it probably seemed like a brilliant idea. The problem only surfaced afterwards. So it's as if the product was engineered to fail, and thus the product failing doesn't mean it's defective since it's doing what it's designed to do...get it? It's more like a "bad design" to not compensate for expansion/contraction due to heat...an honest mistake at that, and you really can't sue anyone for "bad design". They're just being anal and not admitting it. Again I dunno the whole story, if they have information about this yet still decided to put it on the market, then that changes things I guess...?
More of a fault with NVIDIA and OEMs keeping their lips shut on this issue. There are evidence suggesting that the OEMs had already knew regarding this issue and are already providing "thermal fixes" to some of their notebooks prior to NVIDIA's official claim. This 'fix' was one of the first I've seen addressing mass G84/86 GPU failure and was released almost TWO weeks before NVIDIA decide to go public with it (still, they haven't come clean completely).
I'd say NVIDIA is just playing the blame game giving out various false and contradicting claims to save their own butt. Apparantly they just can't get enough of lawsuits and they DESERVE to have another whoop-ass lawsuit for being a slimy ****..
Exactly. The Inquirer is a joke. And I like how they source their own articles throughout that post.
This has nothing to do with some nut crack Inquirer stories. There is overwhelming evidence supporting the fact that NVIDIA is at fault here. I don't see the reason to keep blinding ourselves from the obvious.
the fix
the inquirer may have some details off but the overall issue is valid, I'm confident of that. So far the fix is merely to bump up the fans and that's not really what people want. It may be what is supplied to folks short of a lawsuit, but any other fix will require nVidia to supply makers with new gpu's that companies can use to fabricate new mother boards and then do a complete recall. I doubt that will happen without a lawsuit and I have no idea if nVidia could even survive that financially. I'm betting the warranty will be extended some period and people will get motherboard replacements as machines die. Many will be clueless and when their machine dies a month after the warranty is over they will toss it out the window and that will be that. Doing a complete recall is the real fix but unlikely in my opinion.
the inquirer may have some details off but the overall issue is valid, I'm confident of that. So far the fix is merely to bump up the fans and that's not really what people want. It may be what is supplied to folks short of a lawsuit, but any other fix will require nVidia to supply makers with new gpu's that companies can use to fabricate new mother boards and then do a complete recall. I doubt that will happen without a lawsuit and I have no idea if nVidia could even survive that financially. I'm betting the warranty will be extended some period and people will get motherboard replacements as machines die. Many will be clueless and when their machine dies a month after the warranty is over they will toss it out the window and that will be that. Doing a complete recall is the real fix but unlikely in my opinion.
No one's saying the problem doesn't exist, but it should be fairly obvious that 100% of GPUs were not defective and unusable immediately.
This notion was developed by the Inquirer and unfortunately believed by people who are not aware of their shoddy journalistic background. While it's apparent that their is a problem, no one knows the real scope of it. However, it is undoubtedly smaller than the Inquirer is making it.
This notion was developed by the Inquirer and unfortunately believed by people who are not aware of their shoddy journalistic background. While it's apparent that their is a problem, no one knows the real scope of it. However, it is undoubtedly smaller than the Inquirer is making it.
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I'm not saying that 100% of the NVIDIA GPUs are defective, but I can assure you out of three of them that I've used, ALL three of them crapped out on me. And I don't believe that others that had similar issues with their G86/84 GPUs are just a coincidence. While most of you might not be affected, or be anal enough to notice it, there is a fair amount of people reporting the failure of NVIDIA GPUs even before that oh-so-unreliable-Inquirer story.
While I have no idea what the Inquirer had been up to with their reputation and reliability of their stories, that doesn't mean I buy into the whole scaremongering theory. Apparantly people just have to face up to the facts that the way NVIDIA's handling this issue is not at the best interest of its customers (neither any corporate conglomerate does I'd suppose) and the only way to get things done is with a little bit more push.
I am totally pissed with NVIDIA (and Apple) at the moment. For the 6 months of owning my first proper Mac, it had been nothing but trouble, countless time and money spent running around, sleepless nights and loss of productivity due to this problematic GPU (8600M GT) issue with my Macbook Pro. From a minor irritation to being unnerving, I have never used a notebook this unstable before. It's not like I'm pushing the machine to the extreme, I almost never played any game on my machine, just trying to get by the simple daily routine with my machine can conjure up the flaws that point to NVIDIA in the end.
Sometimes people just need to have problems smack right up to their faces to see things clearly..
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nobody is saying...
AFAIK , nobody is saying the gpus are unusable immediately. from my recollection the claim is many/most gpu's will continue to work for quite some time before failure. While it's obvious that "100% of GPUs were not defective and unusable immediately", given the dearth of clear, convincing evidence otherwise, I would assume that all gpu's are indeed affected. The problem is that any given person's gpu might work for a year or two before dying. Recently Canon had a bad run of cameras and eventually provided ranges of serial numbers of affected units. When nVidia provides some specifics regarding what has been affected then perhaps that can be verified. It has been said only HP units are affected but that seems to be questionable. At this point the truth is we don't know the truth and until the issue is out there and represented by cold hard fact people would be well advised to not buy any product with these gpu. I think it is telling that (afaik) nvidia has not unequivocally stated that all current shipping units are problem-free and of course Apple has said nothing. buyer beware.
AFAIK , nobody is saying the gpus are unusable immediately. from my recollection the claim is many/most gpu's will continue to work for quite some time before failure. While it's obvious that "100% of GPUs were not defective and unusable immediately", given the dearth of clear, convincing evidence otherwise, I would assume that all gpu's are indeed affected. The problem is that any given person's gpu might work for a year or two before dying. Recently Canon had a bad run of cameras and eventually provided ranges of serial numbers of affected units. When nVidia provides some specifics regarding what has been affected then perhaps that can be verified. It has been said only HP units are affected but that seems to be questionable. At this point the truth is we don't know the truth and until the issue is out there and represented by cold hard fact people would be well advised to not buy any product with these gpu. I think it is telling that (afaik) nvidia has not unequivocally stated that all current shipping units are problem-free and of course Apple has said nothing. buyer beware.