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Pretty much its a fact that all the g86 and g84 have a bad asic board since they never changed the production line of batches to begin with.

That just shows all the g86 and g84 uses the same part and thus Nvidia not pointing out the exact batches that are bad because they are all bad.

I'm guessing the certain notebook configuration bases on how long those g86 and g84 chipsets will live, some crap out sooner than later but others that are lucky will see it live for 3 years, which imo is much worse because your out of the warranty period. Not to mention Apple has been very very quiet about all of this so far.

And by 3 years later when the machines starts dying, Apple doesnt have to do anything since its out of warranty + they'll have a much newer machines by then and this matter will be much forgotten by most people wanting a new machine anyways by then.
 
The Macbook Pro is one of the finest pieces of computer equipment made. I really loved it's performance and especially loved it's spectacularly bright anti glare screen that was installed on my Macbook Pro. However based on my recent experience there is no way I would recommend anyone to buy a Macbook Pro at least at this time. Anyone in the market for a Macbook Pro should wait until Apple figures out what to do in the wake of what is obviously a serious problem with the Nvidia GPU. I recently purchased a Macbook Pro from Best Buy in June. All was well until I started using Front Row. While using Front Row, the video would stop and would be impossible to restart. Hitting buttons, pushing the pause/play on my remote, nothing seemed to work consistently. Occasionally I was able to get the video back however, it would be in a weird broken pattern with some parts showing my desktop wallpaper, some parts showing the album I was playing, other parts the lettering of the title. It was really weird. Calling Apple Technical Support initially wasn't much help, no one was consistent in theories. Some thought, software issue, others thought hardware, I did several erase and re installs, to no avail. Finally after many failures while running Front Row and a hard drive failure that resulted in the computer making a bizarre grinding noise, I returned it to Best Buy and they promptly gave me a replacement. I take the replacement, start using it, started using Front Row and sure enough, after a few songs, (particularly ones with long titles that are scrolling through) it crashed. O.K. this is Apple, this is the Macbook Pro, so I must be doing something wrong. Right? Well, I looked at all my applications, almost everything is Apple; Aperture, Final Cut Express, etc.etc.... I simply didn't see anything wrong on the surface.

It is now July and I happened to be vacationing in Canada (normally I live in Florida) and I decided to make an appointment at the local Genius Bar. I took my MBP in, explained everything and I was told that my computer would be checked out, and after about an hour they said that everything checked out fine and that my disk permissions needed a minor repair, but nothing really out of the ordinary. O.K. then, they suggested that I erase and install, stop doing restore from a previous backup on the new computer (in case something that i had on a previous system was screwing my new computer up) and just reinstall everything new, and just restore individual items on a "as needed" basis from my backup utility. O.K. I complied with that and after running Front Row, which I use all the time, my Macbook promptly crashed. Screen screwed up, Hard Drive showing verification failure, mouse pointer freezing, weird, weird stuff. So I call Apple technical support and I explain everything again, however, because of my serial number they see my previous problems. The tech says he believes my computer has a hardware issue, and asked if I did a clean erase and install, when I told him yes, all he did was make another appointment at the Genius Bar at the Apple store in Toronto. Went back to the Genius bar and explained everything once again, they checked it out again, and again said everything looks o.k. But they began to suspect that there was a software issue somewhere. They checked the computer again and didn't find anything wrong and said that it was most likely a software issue and not to put anything on my computer that was questionable...o.k. Anyway I go back home and erase and install again and this time I just installed a few of my Apple software programs and started them one at a time, and all seemed well except Front Row and now, all of a sudden Final Cut Express was having a hard time starting. It wasn't launcing at all! So I called Applecare and explained what was going on and all the history that I have had. So, the tech said to me that he was almost 100% sure that I am having a problem with some hardware component in my MBP. So he gave me some direction on deleting plists, and logging only into my administrator account, and he told me to always use my administrator account instead of an account with no administrator privileges, even though it goes against conventional wisdom for security reasons. He also told me to do an erase and clean install, update, and then re-install my applications and try to launch and use them again one by one to isolate any problems. I complied and my computer crashed repeatedly while launching Front Row and Final Cut Express, it was slow and things were just not right. I called Apple Care again, reported what was happening, and here is what the rep said: "It sounds like, there is a hardware issue with your computer, that comes out when you run Front Row but it seems to be having an effect on your other programs, making them unstable, let's get you back to the Genius Bar I will make notes and make sure they know what's going on" O.K. I then went back to Toronto Genius Bar again, and explained what the latest was. They simply gave me a brand new Macbook Pro. O.K. now with another new computer in hand I go home fire it up, update it, and without even putting any of my programs on, just did a backup from disk of my itunes library (music) and ran Front Row. It crashed after 5 minutes.

A few weeks prior I began hearing about the Nvidia GPU, and wasn't sure if it applied. I even mentioned it a few times to the Apple reps at the Genius bar and over the phone to the rep and no one appeared to know what I was talking about. Now after 3 MBP's I am conviced ALL MBP's with this particular GPU are bad! What will trigger their failure, or when, may be subject to debate. But they all seem to fail. I happen to listen to a lot of classical music with long titles....29 characters or so, the ones that scroll, that seems to be a big thing that triggers failure of the Nvidia GPU. I am not sure what Apple will do, I flipped my MBP on eBay at a loss and purchased a Black Macbook, I am disappointed, but really I had no choice. I would strongly recommend against purchasing a Macbook Pro at this time. I don't blame Apple for this issue, but it will be very important how they deal with this. Anyway, I just wanted to add my $.02.
 
The Macbook Pro is one of the finest pieces of computer equipment made. I really loved it's performance and especially loved it's spectacularly bright anti glare screen that was installed on my Macbook Pro. However based on my recent experience there is no way I would recommend anyone to buy a Macbook Pro at least at this time. Anyone in the market for a Macbook Pro should wait until Apple figures out what to do in the wake of what is obviously a serious problem with the Nvidia GPU. I recently purchased a Macbook Pro from Best Buy in June. All was well until I started using Front Row. While using Front Row, the video would stop and would be impossible to restart. Hitting buttons, pushing the pause/play on my remote, nothing seemed to work consistently. Occasionally I was able to get the video back however, it would be in a weird broken pattern with some parts showing my desktop wallpaper, some parts showing the album I was playing, other parts the lettering of the title. It was really weird. Calling Apple Technical Support initially wasn't much help, no one was consistent in theories. Some thought, software issue, others thought hardware, I did several erase and re installs, to no avail. Finally after many failures while running Front Row and a hard drive failure that resulted in the computer making a bizarre grinding noise, I returned it to Best Buy and they promptly gave me a replacement. I take the replacement, start using it, started using Front Row and sure enough, after a few songs, (particularly ones with long titles that are scrolling through) it crashed. O.K. this is Apple, this is the Macbook Pro, so I must be doing something wrong. Right? Well, I looked at all my applications, almost everything is Apple; Aperture, Final Cut Express, etc.etc.... I simply didn't see anything wrong on the surface.

It is now July and I happened to be vacationing in Canada (normally I live in Florida) and I decided to make an appointment at the local Genius Bar. I took my MBP in, explained everything and I was told that my computer would be checked out, and after about an hour they said that everything checked out fine and that my disk permissions needed a minor repair, but nothing really out of the ordinary. O.K. then, they suggested that I erase and install, stop doing restore from a previous backup on the new computer (in case something that i had on a previous system was screwing my new computer up) and just reinstall everything new, and just restore individual items on a "as needed" basis from my backup utility. O.K. I complied with that and after running Front Row, which I use all the time, my Macbook promptly crashed. Screen screwed up, Hard Drive showing verification failure, mouse pointer freezing, weird, weird stuff. So I call Apple technical support and I explain everything again, however, because of my serial number they see my previous problems. The tech says he believes my computer has a hardware issue, and asked if I did a clean erase and install, when I told him yes, all he did was make another appointment at the Genius Bar at the Apple store in Toronto. Went back to the Genius bar and explained everything once again, they checked it out again, and again said everything looks o.k. But they began to suspect that there was a software issue somewhere. They checked the computer again and didn't find anything wrong and said that it was most likely a software issue and not to put anything on my computer that was questionable...o.k. Anyway I go back home and erase and install again and this time I just installed a few of my Apple software programs and started them one at a time, and all seemed well except Front Row and now, all of a sudden Final Cut Express was having a hard time starting. It wasn't launcing at all! So I called Applecare and explained what was going on and all the history that I have had. So, the tech said to me that he was almost 100% sure that I am having a problem with some hardware component in my MBP. So he gave me some direction on deleting plists, and logging only into my administrator account, and he told me to always use my administrator account instead of an account with no administrator privileges, even though it goes against conventional wisdom for security reasons. He also told me to do an erase and clean install, update, and then re-install my applications and try to launch and use them again one by one to isolate any problems. I complied and my computer crashed repeatedly while launching Front Row and Final Cut Express, it was slow and things were just not right. I called Apple Care again, reported what was happening, and here is what the rep said: "It sounds like, there is a hardware issue with your computer, that comes out when you run Front Row but it seems to be having an effect on your other programs, making them unstable, let's get you back to the Genius Bar I will make notes and make sure they know what's going on" O.K. I then went back to Toronto Genius Bar again, and explained what the latest was. They simply gave me a brand new Macbook Pro. O.K. now with another new computer in hand I go home fire it up, update it, and without even putting any of my programs on, just did a backup from disk of my itunes library (music) and ran Front Row. It crashed after 5 minutes.

A few weeks prior I began hearing about the Nvidia GPU, and wasn't sure if it applied. I even mentioned it a few times to the Apple reps at the Genius bar and over the phone to the rep and no one appeared to know what I was talking about. Now after 3 MBP's I am conviced ALL MBP's with this particular GPU are bad! What will trigger their failure, or when, may be subject to debate. But they all seem to fail. I happen to listen to a lot of classical music with long titles....29 characters or so, the ones that scroll, that seems to be a big thing that triggers failure of the Nvidia GPU. I am not sure what Apple will do, I flipped my MBP on eBay at a loss and purchased a Black Macbook, I am disappointed, but really I had no choice. I would strongly recommend against purchasing a Macbook Pro at this time. I don't blame Apple for this issue, but it will be very important how they deal with this. Anyway, I just wanted to add my $.02.

THAT is EXACTLY what happened with me! The same issue, the same symptoms, but I've gone through 2 Macbook Pro's (instead of three seperate units) and one logic board exchange.

Oddly enough that you're bringing this up, my FrontRow DID crash while I was listening to one of the classical Beethoven tracks that had a long ID3 tag (track, artist, composer, etc.. etc..).

Thankfully for that reply, I know that I'm not going insane seeing random crashes myself.:rolleyes:
 
After tons of replacements for poor quality screens (yellow, backlight bleed etc), I was just starting to feel that I like and trust my MBP again. Now this! So our options right now are: a) sell our computers and get something else (nothing available right now) b) hope they don't fail but keep worrying and c) tell Apple to go **** off and move to a PC that doesn't use the chip.


In other words, we're screwed. If Apple would address the issue and extend the coverage for this problem by 6-7 years (reasonable for this caliber of laptop), I'd be fine. I just don't think they'll do it.
 
I really really loved the macbook pro.. but the whole nvidia feels so uneasy for me.

Even if Apple uses a 9xxx series Nvidia gpu, I'll still buy the new macbook pro. BUT for now I'm not touching any nvidia 8xxx series gpu in the mbp, period.
 
Screwed again. Thanks Apple

I look over on the shelf, and see three Mac laptops, two of which have failed because of the notorious graphics chip problem that plagues dual USB iBooks. One of those iBooks looks like it just was unpacked from its original box. One is an old PowerBook with a hinkey power connection port. All those perfectly good computers are junk for all practical purposes. The only desktop I've ever had fail was an old first generation Mac+.
 
Just great, all MBPs have the 86xx chip....is anything being done abo this and has Apple even addressed it? I've heard nothing from them.
I was about to buy the current MBP but now I'll either buy an older model or wait for the new one.
 
Just great, all MBPs have the 86xx chip....is anything being done abo this and has Apple even addressed it? I've heard nothing from them.
I was about to buy the current MBP but now I'll either buy an older model or wait for the new one.

Older model? You'll need to buy a CORE DUO. The MacBook Pro has used the 8600M GT for a little over a year.

Cheer up, though. I e-mailed Steve Jobs yesterday and he gave me the closest thing we have to an official position (or any news release whatsoever).
 
Older model? You'll need to buy a CORE DUO. The MacBook Pro has used the 8600M GT for a little over a year.

Cheer up, though. I e-mailed Steve Jobs yesterday and he gave me the closest thing we have to an official position (or any news release whatsoever).

Well given how many people with MBPs are having graphics issues, this is really BAD news. That means Apple is going to deny it and when the GPUs start failing after warranty, people will be out of luck. Let's wait for an official position, but given that other companies have already stated their stances, I'm not that hopeful.
 
Older model? You'll need to buy a CORE DUO. The MacBook Pro has used the 8600M GT for a little over a year.

Cheer up, though. I e-mailed Steve Jobs yesterday and he gave me the closest thing we have to an official position (or any news release whatsoever).

That's like saying I think the weather's fine while it's raining outside.

I THINK I might go to the moon tomorrow..:rolleyes:
 
Ya thats not comforting at all. I'm in a bind because I'm leaving on extended travels overseas and would prefer to buy the laptop here in Canada where I'll be returning to. I'll probably be gone before the next revision happens (leave a few days before Sept) and even then don't know that they won't have the 86xx chip in the new model.

Either way I'll def be buying Apple Care to extend the warranty.
 
Older model? You'll need to buy a CORE DUO. The MacBook Pro has used the 8600M GT for a little over a year.

Cheer up, though. I e-mailed Steve Jobs yesterday and he gave me the closest thing we have to an official position (or any news release whatsoever).

Lol, its the infamous sjobs@mac.com thing!! You do know that is not his email!

There have been talks about this for a long while now.. and the sjobs@mac.com, stevejobs@mac.com, stevej@mac.com or whatever combos are all not real.
 
Lol, its the infamous sjobs@mac.com thing!! You do know that is not his email!

There have been talks about this for a long while now.. and the sjobs@mac.com, stevejobs@mac.com, stevej@mac.com or whatever combos are all not real.

When I wrote sjobs@apple.com I got immediate an response on the phone both from Apple Executive Relations AND from the local 5th Ave manager. Once they were both involved, I've never experienced such amazing customer service. Of course, they can't do anything about crappy quality control, except to keep exchanging. Eventually they upgraded me to a machine that cost $1000 more than the one I had - but even if it was a sweet machine, it wasn't what I wanted. In other words: once you get them involved at that level, you're in for a treat in terms of CS.

In any case, sjobs@apple.com is the real thing but of course he's not sitting there replying himself...
 
Or apple.com.

You really think stevejobs is going to have such an obvious email that millions of people could bother the hell out of him?

If anything his email could be tellituby@apple.com

Whether it's Steve or not isn't terribly pertinent, here. The bigger thing is that someone, anyone at Apple Corporate has put forward a position on the issue. Before Skil's message, no one even had that.
 
Whether it's Steve or not isn't terribly pertinent, here. The bigger thing is that someone, anyone at Apple Corporate has put forward a position on the issue. Before Skil's message, no one even had that.

I'm sure that since day one of the Nvidia's announcement of the 8xxx series were defective, apple has gotten mountain full of emails on this.

Imho, I think apple will keep quiet about this and just silently replace people's machines when the gpu craps out on them with either a newer better material 8600m gt or the exact same ones left in old stock.

After they replace it with the same gpu they will do so for another 1-2 years and if you get 3 exchanges within the 3 year ac time, then you are warrant to a brand new mbp of whatever is out by then.

If you do get it exchanged and the mbp outlives the 3 year ac, then I think apple can keep quiet and the user cant really do anything about it but to just buy a new notebook.
 
Or apple.com.

You really think stevejobs is going to have such an obvious email that millions of people could bother the hell out of him?

If anything his email could be tellituby@apple.com

I wrote an email to sjobs@apple.com once when I had problems with my iMac, and I got a call from Apple the day after... so, whether it is steve jobs or not, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it is someone from apple
 
can't believe it

the problem is the answer put forth, that the chips Apple is using are just fine, makes no sense given the known facts. nobody has said that Apple gets special chips that hp and dell aren't privy to so it's my assumption in spite of the comments above, that Apple's machines are just as crippled as dell and hp machines. I will continue to hold off on my order of two new MBP's until something definitive is laid out or until a new gpu is in use. you can never be 100% sure with any new hardware, but there's no point in buying into a machine with such a high likelihood of a serious issue.
 
This S*** is starting to piss me off, My 8600m gets really hot into the 90c and starts freezing my games. The gpu is definatly defective and we shouldent have to use 3rd party programs to up the fan speeds to cool our computer. Apple better realease a recall/ replacment program. This would boost their rep and show how apple listens to the customers and give the best support to their customers.
 
Maybe this will push apple to release the new montevina mbp that much quicker? I hope so.. I really miss having a laptop and I want a mbp!
 
Buy a new notebook ?

Now I'm not too sure I'd be willing to invest upwards of $3,000.00 in another MBP after the assembly of sub-standard parts I've seen put into this one. I don't know about you guys, but I've owned 2 Apple laptops, and I'm on my 5th battery. It was certainly disheartening enough the first few times I discovered that they were doing a recall on my battery, because they were either too concerned in saving a buck to bother putting in a well made one, or too little attention was placed on quality control to detect poorly made ones.
Grant it they were replaced free of charge, but come on, 3 different batteries on one laptop, something is being overlooked!
Now I'm seeing this again with my MBP, their so called top of the line notebook, a battery replacement after a year due to no misuse or abuse on my part.
Furthermore it would appear that there is some question as to the quality of another key component, the GPU, and it doesn't look like there will be a recall on this.
If the best Apple can do is no better than the average manufacturer then I see no likelihood of any major market share gains, at least not without some reassurances that the quality of the components warrants the higher cost of the machine.

I'm not bashing Apple, as I believe they are the leaders in so many areas, but I do have the right to expect better from the best, and this would be a perfect opportunity to show they are deserving of a #1 rating by consumers by handling a bad situation with the consumer in mind.
Especially since most of the existing buyers of Apple products may very well be the seen as potential return customers, and as with most repeat business, service plays a big part in the decision to spend hard earned money out of loyalty.

zumpy
 
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