It has been almost three days since I brought mine in for a logic board replacement. And still no call. They say that they give priority to repeat repairs and they had the parts in so how long does it take to swap a freakin logic board! Arghhhh
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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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I have a bad feeling that this issue is going to be wiped under the rug unless the consumer decide to voice up.
Just look at the pattern..
Notebooks with NVIDIA GPU starts to fail in the field > OEM (in this case, Dell) issues new BIOS with thermal fix for their D630\ (as later announced by NVIDIA themselves) for a G84-based (Quadro NVS135M) GPU > NVIDIA admits faulty GPU, stating thermal fix (ramp up the fan speed) in their statement > Foreign investors claims defective chips were of the 8500M range > Inquirer claims all G84 and G86 are bad > NVIDIA denies all GPU are bad > what's next?
Why would an OEM issue a thermal fix before NVIDIA admits the problem? Does that mean they already knew it's going to go bad eventually? And why would the issue a thermal fix for G84-based chip that is not a GeForce 8500M?
I say someone start up a website to petition for Apple to do something about it, immediately. Have a lot of people sign it. And that doesn't mean to downclock our cards or have the fan speeds all the way up the whole time.
It has been almost three days since I brought mine in for a logic board replacement. And still no call. They say that they give priority to repeat repairs and they had the parts in so how long does it take to swap a freakin logic board! Arghhhh
Actually, I used to be an Asus laptop tech in their warranty repair dept. It takes about 20 min to replace a logic board yes...but they would have to test it to make sure all the parts are connected and in working order...so I would be patient if I were you, lest you want to send in your laptop again.
here's an interesting quote from someone on arstechnica.
"The issue is not the actual ASIC, it's in the packaging material. There has been a strong push to EOL parts with lead in all the semiconductor companies. Lead would have been used in the flip chip bumps and the package bumps. Changing the material in the bumps could have caused the problem. They should have caught this with accelerated testing, but maybe they were forced to ship before that was finished. Who knows what the real story is. What I do know, is that the Nvidia explanation is perfectly reasonable if you know anything about semiconductor manufacturing.
BTW,
TSMC is a foundry. There are separate companies that do the actual packaging.
The revision numbers on the package (at least the obvious ones) deal with revisions to the actual silicon, not to the packaging material, so simply looking at a part will not tell you whether you have a defective part or not."
Just a post from someone so this maybe the reason that nvidia wouldnt know which notebooks are affected and maybe alot of us are actually ok?
"The issue is not the actual ASIC, it's in the packaging material. There has been a strong push to EOL parts with lead in all the semiconductor companies. Lead would have been used in the flip chip bumps and the package bumps. Changing the material in the bumps could have caused the problem. They should have caught this with accelerated testing, but maybe they were forced to ship before that was finished. Who knows what the real story is. What I do know, is that the Nvidia explanation is perfectly reasonable if you know anything about semiconductor manufacturing.
BTW,
TSMC is a foundry. There are separate companies that do the actual packaging.
The revision numbers on the package (at least the obvious ones) deal with revisions to the actual silicon, not to the packaging material, so simply looking at a part will not tell you whether you have a defective part or not."
Just a post from someone so this maybe the reason that nvidia wouldnt know which notebooks are affected and maybe alot of us are actually ok?
Then the point of getting a dedicated GPU dies, because they're crippling the performance. Gosh.
Lawsuit! that way we get new shiny macs.
Since the bios update a12 was applied on my latitude D630 (work issued laptop).. the fan seems to run ALL the time.. I'm going to roll back to A11 if I can find it and see if it changes.
Latitude D630 System BIOS version A12
Release Date: 6/22/2008
Fixes/Enhancements
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1. Updated Intel Video BIOS.
2. Updated Nvidia Video BIOS.
3. Enhancement for thermal control.
Latitude D630 System BIOS version A12
Release Date: 6/22/2008
Fixes/Enhancements
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1. Updated Intel Video BIOS.
2. Updated Nvidia Video BIOS.
3. Enhancement for thermal control.
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I also have a 2.2GHz MBP with a 128MB 8600 GT and have had absolutely no issues whatsoever, the computer is around 7 months old. Also, NVIDIA have come out saying it only affects a certain batch when clocked beyond specifications under certain conditions. The chances of every MacBook Pro dying is slim to none.
I also have a 2.2GHz MBP with a 128MB 8600 GT and have had absolutely no issues whatsoever, the computer is around 7 months old. Also, NVIDIA have come out saying it only affects a certain batch when clocked beyond specifications under certain conditions. The chances of every MacBook Pro dying is slim to none.
In the article posted above (this one):
[URL="http://www.electronista.com/articles...ies.gpu.rumor/"]http://www.electronista.com/articles...ies.gpu.rumor/[/URL]
mentions that NVIDIA said that.
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In the above arstechnica article it doesn't sound like they make this claim, that there is in fact a design issue which affects a small batch of GPUs. Then again, call me crazy but evidence that BIOs have been altered to crank fans is a red flag they might be fibbing a bit.
Maybe in certain batches and certain notebook configuration means hp mainly and dell 1530 and mainly 1330.
When you look into the issues that people are having mostly all HP laptops crapped out and the dell 1330 has a nvidia 8400 GS card that crapped out everytime someone got it exchanged and some got a motherboard swapped up to 4-5 times and the users actually came up with a little work around.
Maybe the mbp's are safe after all? Well most of them anyway because I know that apple's design for the notebooks are very good at dissipating heat even though its thin and especially the 17" notebooks have a much bigger and efficient heatsink and this explains why I havnt seen many dell 17" 1730 notebooks overheating or gpu failing with their 8600m gt cards as well.
And the fact that Apple downclocks their gpu to meet their strict specifications.
My MacBook Pro 2.2 Ghz failed on me 2 days ago, 25 days after the warranty period. My screen stays black but i can hear the chime when it boots. I am able to change the keyboard brightness and volume. If I attach an external display, that stays black as well (no signal). The last thing i did when it last worked was playing some songs on front row, which since Leopard, has caused me to get a black screen. The song still plays but the screen goes black. I have to keep pressing the escape button in order to get out. However, the screen still stays black for a while, then the desktop finally appears (slowly though, with some weird artifacts). That has always happened since i installed leopard. I took the laptop to an authorized Apple service provider and they told me the logic board needed to be replaced and to contact Apple. I called Apple and they told me the same thing but added that i should go to the genious bar and see what they say. After reading most of the information in this thread and researching the Nvidia problem, I think i will try my best to see if they can fix/replace my laptop (i doubt it) for free due to a hardware defect caused by Nvidia. Wish me luck, ill need it
Same here. Mine is the same age, and it's idling between 41-43 C with the fan at 3118 rpms. When I play games, it does get "toasty," but it's nothing that's alarming and fully within my expectations.
I do plan on buying Apple Care though (planned on it since buying the laptop). I get a student discount, and it'll protect the laptop until I graduate from college.
Oh my god.
My MacBook Pro just died!
I restarted it and boom: Black screen....
Nothing except of the SuperDrive is functional (it still makes the noise when it restarts).
No startup sound...
Just black.
I suppose the 8600M GT 128MB just died...
No bad signs whatsoever before.
Are all MBPs with 8600 GPUs doomed?
My MacBook Pro just died!
I restarted it and boom: Black screen....
Nothing except of the SuperDrive is functional (it still makes the noise when it restarts).
No startup sound...
Just black.
I suppose the 8600M GT 128MB just died...
No bad signs whatsoever before.
Are all MBPs with 8600 GPUs doomed?
Oh my god.
My MacBook Pro just died!
I restarted it and boom: Black screen....
Nothing except of the SuperDrive is functional (it still makes the noise when it restarts).
No startup sound...
Just black.
I suppose the 8600M GT 128MB just died...
No bad signs whatsoever before.
Are all MBPs with 8600 GPUs doomed?
There is no start up sound? There would be at least a start up sound if the GPU is defective. If not, I would say its logic board related.
Oh my god.
My MacBook Pro just died!
I restarted it and boom: Black screen....
Nothing except of the SuperDrive is functional (it still makes the noise when it restarts).
No startup sound...
Just black.
I suppose the 8600M GT 128MB just died...
No bad signs whatsoever before.
Are all MBPs with 8600 GPUs doomed?
Yet another 2.2ghz mbp... hmmm...certain notebook configurations...
Maybe Apple should offer a BTO option with Nvidia like they do with the high-end iMac.
My MacBook Pro 2.2 Ghz failed on me 2 days ago, 25 days after the warranty period. My screen stays black but i can hear the chime when it boots. I am able to change the keyboard brightness and volume. If I attach an external display, that stays black as well (no signal). The last thing i did when it last worked was playing some songs on front row, which since Leopard, has caused me to get a black screen. The song still plays but the screen goes black. I have to keep pressing the escape button in order to get out. However, the screen still stays black for a while, then the desktop finally appears (slowly though, with some weird artifacts). That has always happened since i installed leopard. I took the laptop to an authorized Apple service provider and they told me the logic board needed to be replaced and to contact Apple. I called Apple and they told me the same thing but added that i should go to the genious bar and see what they say. After reading most of the information in this thread and researching the Nvidia problem, I think i will try my best to see if they can fix/replace my laptop (i doubt it) for free due to a hardware defect caused by Nvidia. Wish me luck, ill need it
Good luck! and let us know how it goes!
The sound was turned off during reboot.
I suppose that's the reason why there is no start up sound.
At the beginning of the boot process the status LED does not light up.
About 10 seconds later it does light up.
If you have problems with your MacBook Pro, please let the Apple Support know:
-> http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
The more people send their feedback the sooner Apple is going to react.
-> http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
The more people send their feedback the sooner Apple is going to react.