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what symptoms should i look for?i have a launch model penryn MBP and have been playing games on it alot and have not seen anything out of the ordinary?
is there hope that mine may not be faulty at all?
 
what symptoms should i look for?i have a launch model penryn MBP and have been playing games on it alot and have not seen anything out of the ordinary?
is there hope that mine may not be faulty at all?

I doubt that any GPUs of that period got the "more robust" solder that NVidia ultimately switched to (as referenced in their quarterly report). All indications are that they switched in October.

Here is a gallery that will show you what the symptoms look like:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28516734@N05/sets/72157606141870377/
 
Along with others, I had hoped that 10.5.5 had resolved the issue.

Although I am no longer seeing the issue, a genius in London has confirmed that 10.5.5 has not officially resolved the issue, and is advising me to have the logic board replaced.

So anyone else in that boat, it sounds like - despite positive appearances - it may still be worth getting the logic board swapped.
 
My MBP is producing screen artifacts already and it's only 3 months old!!! I have recorded a video of it and taken pictures of my MBP details, so will they swap the logic board in it even if I can't reproduce it in store? Also is the revision B of the 8600 GT "fixed"? I want a confirmation!
 
I was at best buy just browsing and I saw an opened item of the previous gen 2.4ghz macbook pro. It was on sale for 1279. The screen imo still looks better than the newer mbp (it was a matte).

Its a shame that it has the defective nvidia gpu, otherwise I would have plunk down and have purchased it.
 
apple 'fixed' mine twice but no luck .. i ended up buying a new macbook pro last night .. issue fixed
 
You just summed it up for many of us. I was all ready to buy a new Mbp. Then the glassy screen. Ordered a refurb and then read about the 8600 problem here. If I hadn't read this site, I wouldn't have known. Apple's store page of refurbs and clearance certainly aren't being upfront about this known fault. And my machine was $2000.

Apple could not cancel the order even though it was just hours old but was good about the return.

But I'm still stuck not sure what to buy.

Apple - don't make us choose between high glossy glass vs. faulty gpu.


I was at best buy just browsing and I saw an opened item of the previous gen 2.4ghz macbook pro. It was on sale for 1279. The screen imo still looks better than the newer mbp (it was a matte).

Its a shame that it has the defective nvidia gpu, otherwise I would have plunk down and have purchased it.
 
So i got my clearanced "Classic" MBP a week ago now and so far so good. The store i bought it from has a 2 week return policy so ive been putting it through its paces making sure its solid.

I've been folding@home now for 4 days straight. no trouble and temps are fine.

In windows i've been playing Crysis, nvidia demos, and 3dMark. no trouble. I've even OC'ed the GPU a good bit and still no hiccups and no crazy temps.

I think this baby is solid. From what i gather, the bad GPUs run hot from the get go, even at idle and ramp up heat really quickly when stressed. My temps all look great.

FWIW.
 
any good programs or terminal commands we can use to load up a gpu to see what happens? speaking from the perspective of a new (old rev) mbp owner...
 
Do you think the Apple store will let me exchange my fairly new MBP for a new one for a small price?
 
So i got my clearanced "Classic" MBP a week ago now and so far so good. The store i bought it from has a 2 week return policy so ive been putting it through its paces making sure its solid.

I've been folding@home now for 4 days straight. no trouble and temps are fine.

In windows i've been playing Crysis, nvidia demos, and 3dMark. no trouble. I've even OC'ed the GPU a good bit and still no hiccups and no crazy temps.

I think this baby is solid. From what i gather, the bad GPUs run hot from the get go, even at idle and ramp up heat really quickly when stressed. My temps all look great.

FWIW.

Could you please elaborate? What are you GPU diode and heatsink temperatures? Mine are 56 and 48 F with normal internet/office/mail/itunes use (checked with iStat Pro widget). Is this within your "great" range?

Many thanks.
 
Well since Apple give it a 3 years period for this issue, I wonder will they issue me a new MBP if my current MBP w/ 8600 were to fail sometime during the next 3 years?
 
I've even OC'ed the GPU a good bit and still no hiccups and no crazy temps.

FWIW.

Hi,
how did you do this? I was trying to OC my 512MB 8600m as well, but Rivatuner allways refuses the new clocks. Tried 5 different drivers from 169- 180.42 allready without success...
 
^I've only had luck with the 169.04 drivers. All the others i've tried wouldnt stick either.

However, i've found that the new 180.42 drivers are so fast that even though i can't OC with them, theyre faster (in 3DMark anyway) than the 169.04s OC'ed a decent bit.

Also the powermizer seems to override the OC settings so in order to use the OC settings you have to disable it which forces the GPU to always run maxed out. So thats not so good.

So i've gone back to the 180s w/o overclocking now. seem to work great and no hassle or sideeffects.

Arkabas, I've been folding nonstop so i'll pause it now and let things cool off and check again. Idle temps are based a large part on the ambient room temp so its hard to say. I've maxed this thing out, even OC'ed and i've never seen a CPU or GPU temp over 85C.

Actually while i've been typing the temps have fallen a good bit. Already my GPU diode is 57C and the heatsink is 49C. CPU temp is 48C.

I've seen the CPU temp as low as 38C before.

btw, i am using a laptop stand/cooler which knocks a few degrees off.
 
Hi,
how did you do this? I was trying to OC my 512MB 8600m as well, but Rivatuner allways refuses the new clocks. Tried 5 different drivers from 169- 180.42 allready without success...

Are you using vista 64bit? Rivatuner wont lets you overclock in vista 64bit. Use nvidia system tools 6.03
 
I think this baby is solid. From what i gather, the bad GPUs run hot from the get go, even at idle and ramp up heat really quickly when stressed. My temps all look great.

FWIW.

No, people have reported that they had no problems at all for months and then suddenly their screens went. And if you google and read up on this, you'll see they say with a soldering fault, all of the 8600s are faulty. No one really knows because not enough time has gone by, these are only a year old. But I don't like the odds. I am just saying this because you have two weeks to return it.

Wheelhot:
"Well since Apple give it a 3 years period for this issue, I wonder will they issue me a new MBP if my current MBP w/ 8600 were to fail sometime during the next 3 years?"

No - it is TWO years that Apple will replace the gpu. Two.
You are getting this mixed up with the standard three year Applecare contract. And they are not offering a new mbp, only that they will change the gpu IF it fails a particular test. One user here was discouraged because Apple would not give him the new gpu even though the screen was dead, it didn't fail the test proving it was due to the 8600 (according to that Apple tech).
 
When was it fixed? After September? Revision B was released after September.

Has there been an official statement by apple that the GPU has been revised and fixed? I don;t think there has, except for somebody's online chat with an apple rep (probably sales...). I won't believe that the GPUs have been revised until Apple comes out and states so officially on the record.
 
from Nvidia's website. Remember, their own stockholders have a class action lawsuit against them for hiding this problem for months before finally disclosing it. This is going to be the best possible spin they can get away with as their aim is to reassure anyone buying a computer that the Nvidia name is safe.

The conclusion would be that they are no longer manufacturing any more faulty gpus. But where the cut-off was for inclusion in Apple's MBPs is still unanswered. My guess is that only the post Oct 14 release Glassbook pro which does not have the 8600s is safe. I read somewhere about Nvidia renaming their gpus (including the 8600s) which only adds to the confusion. Apple is the one to ask, but wanted to see what Nvidia themselves had to say.

The first quote is the more current answer on the heat problem although it is dated 8/29. I could not find any update on their website- someone else should give it a try because it might be there but I'm out of time.

"NVIDIA has identified a potential weakness in the die/packaging material set in certain versions of its previous generation GPU and MCP products used in notebook systems. Certain notebook configurations with GPUs and MCPs manufactured with a certain die/packaging material set are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. NVIDIA has initiated discussions with its supply chain regarding this material set issue and is working closely with notebook manufacturers to resolve the issue.

1) The issue is limited to a few notebook chips only; we have not seen and don't expect to see this issue on any NVIDIA based desktops

2) Only a very small percentage of the notebook chips that have shipped are potentially affected and the problem depends on a combination of environmental conditions, configuration and usage model

3) We continue to work closely with our partners and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that all NVIDIA chips currently in production do not exhibit the problem

As a result, it is very unlikely that your NVIDA based notebook product is affected. As always, the primary support contact for any issues you may be experiencing is your notebook computer provider."

Then it has a link to this older statement:

"Nvidia Provides Second Quarter Fiscal 2009 Business Update

Company Lowers Financial Outlook for Second Quarter and Plans to Take One-Time Charge for Certain Notebook Field Failures

For further information, contact:
Michael Hara Calisa Cole
Investor Relations Corporate Communications
NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Corporation
(408) 486-2511 (408) 486-6263
mhara@nvidia.com ccole@nvidia.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

SANTA CLARA, CA—JULY 2, 2008—NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA), the world leader in visual computing technologies, today provided a business update for its second quarter ending July 27, 2008.
Second quarter revenue and gross margin are expected to be lower than guidance provided during its first quarter financial conference call held May 8, 2008. Total revenue is now estimated to be from $875 million to $950 million. The estimated decrease in revenue and gross margin is due to several reasons: end-market weakness around the world, the delayed ramp of a next generation MCP, and price adjustments of our GPU products to respond to competitive products.

Separately, NVIDIA plans to take a one-time charge from $150 million to $200 million against cost of revenue for the second quarter to cover anticipated warranty, repair, return, replacement and other costs and expenses, arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of its previous generation GPU and MCP products used in notebook systems. Certain notebook configurations with GPUs and MCPs manufactured with a certain die/packaging material set are failing in the field at higher than normal rates. To date, abnormal failure rates with systems other than certain notebook systems have not been seen. NVIDIA has initiated discussions with its supply chain regarding this material set issue and the Company will also seek to access insurance coverage for this matter.
Regarding the notebook field failures, NVIDIA president and CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated:
"Although the failure appears related to the combination of the interaction between the chip material set and system design, we have a responsibility to our customers and will take our part in resolving this problem. The GPU has become an increasingly important part of the computing experience and we are seeing more interest by PC OEMs to adopt GPUs in more platforms. Recognizing that the GPU is one of the most complex processors in the system, it is critical that we now work more closely with notebook system designers and our chip foundries to ensure that the GPU and the system are designed collaboratively for the best performance and robustness."

Today's high performance notebooks are highly complex systems with extreme thermal environments. The combination of limited thermal management and frequent power cycling is particularly challenging for complex processors like the GPU.

Huang added, "This has been a challenging experience for us. However, the lessons we've learned will help us build far more robust products in the future, and become a more valuable system design partner to our customers. As for the present, we have switched production to a more robust die/package material set and are working proactively with our OEM partners to develop system management software that will provide better thermal management to the GPU."

For more information about the one-time charge for notebook field failures, please refer to NVIDIA's current report on Form 8-K dated July 2, 2008 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission."

No conference call will be held in conjunction with this business update. Additional commentary pertaining to the second quarter and the notebook field failures will be available when NVIDIA reports its second quarter financial results on August 12, 2008.
 
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