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My computer just died of this, it wants revenge. I just got the new MBP and the day it arrives the old one died, how convenient, The screen just went black in the morning. The amazing thing is I wasn't even stressing the GPU the night before, I was watching downloaded episode of a series with normal temps. I was expecting this since all the chips are bad but, what makes me mad is I can't Target Disk Mode work!

Is there any other method I can use to access the drive and format the mbp before taking it to the store? I've tried both firewire 400 and 800, with my new macbook and an iMac G4, checking if it appears in the network, and nothing, I have an appointment today.
 
Vnc?

My computer just died of this, it wants revenge. I just got the new MBP and the day it arrives the old one died, how convenient, The screen just went black in the morning. The amazing thing is I wasn't even stressing the GPU the night before, I was watching downloaded episode of a series with normal temps. I was expecting this since all the chips are bad but, what makes me mad is I can't Target Disk Mode work!

Is there any other method I can use to access the drive and format the mbp before taking it to the store? I've tried both firewire 400 and 800, with my new macbook and an iMac G4, checking if it appears in the network, and nothing, I have an appointment today.

What about using the new mac to connect via VNC? Attach the hard drive to the old one and then clone the drive via disk utility to the external drive.

Should work fine.
 
How could this be acheived? I turn on the Display-less mbp then plug an ethernet cable to it? but it wont show up in the shared panel on the sidebar, I don't know its address, how can I do VNC? Please explain further :)
 
So is Aperture a surefire way to stress test the GPUs?...i ask because i just fired up Aperture and my GPU diode temp shot up to 71 from 57 and the heatsink rose to 61
 
is the problem solved after the first repair?

I tried to find out if many people have seen that after a first repair of their MBP the graphic chip was dead again, so I thought that raising a new topic on the apple forums might be a good idea. Well, except for apple that decided to ban my post as "the forum was just intended for technical questions that can be answered by the community". I guess if what I was asking is not technical enough...

Anyway, this is what apple does not like you to read. I hope it can be useful to anyone suffering this problem:

"I know that there are lots of posts about this particular problem, but I would like to focus on all those users who have already suffered the problem in a REPAIRED computer: all those people that have seen their logic board repaired and who had seen the problem again. My case: first repair in September 20th 2008. My MBP became a brick again on October 26th , just one month after the first failure.

I would like to learn from the experience of other users who had also suffered this problem. One of the reasons is that, even though apple has acknowledged the possibility of a problem in all those computers, there is no list of part numbers of motherboards affected, so there is no way of knowing if our logic boards are replaced using a faulty logic board as well. Indeed, many forums in the internet says that ALL NVIDIA 8600 M GT are affected!. And all those show more technical information that apple or NVidia have ever shown ( http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/09/nvidia-g84-g86-bad )

No matter what apple thinks (I've got long and boring telephone conversations with people in the customer service, saying that a replacement with a new computer is impossible), that would be a violation of the terms and conditions of the warranties, since a reparation will always have to consists in restoring the computer to their original status, and none of us would have pay a cent (not to say 3000$-4000$) for a computer prone to fail, even if there is an extension to 2 years of the coverage for failures in this piece. In addition, just consider what would happen if next failure occurs out of the 3yr apple care period or out of the 2yr extension warranty for the faulty nvidia chips: if the chances for a failure are similar (and there is no data offered by apple or nvidia indicating that this is not the case; and our experience points in this sense), the repaired computer simply has an effective reduction of the warranty coverage.

What I have done is to write apple in the most official way indicating that I am waiting for a response in which apple acknowledges that the pieces used for reparation have been certified and checked for not suffering the same problem. In case I do not obtain any response, I indicated that I will consider that apple is indeed acknowledging that this tests have been done and my pieces are identified as not faulty. After that, if I suffer again from the same problem (I would only have to make some "nasty" thinks on the MBP as gaming or installing Vista) I would at least have the chance of suing apple for such a fraud.

For me, all this implies loosing my time and money going to the nearest authorized technical service (in a different city), being unable to use my computer for one month in the last 2 months, and a constant worry of when and how is the next failure to happen. Probably it is the same for many of yours. For apple, all these repeated failures simply implies that they have to use some of the old faulty pieces that they will have to get rid of, anyway. Eventually, many laptops will run out of warranty, so apple will not have to spend a cent on those computers, and indeed many of them will prefer to buy a brand new laptop that paying 1000$ for repairing the 2-3yr old faulty one. Well, only these consequences unless we start to deal with this seriously, warning apple that their current behavior will probably cost them more than a replacement program. I suggest all of you to make similar claims to apple.

Finally, how can I post my case in the google spreadsheet?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-CKzYqbB6dLQRx8wpC2aw

I think that the information that we can gather from these forums is the only arm we have to put some pressure in apple "

Thanks
 
...what can you do?
what do you expect them to do?give you the new model?

A full refund.
To change the defective part by a very different one.

For example, Sony did (again) another FULL callback for a specific model of batteries, no matter if those batteries are currently working or not.

Im a bit curious, currently desktop are out, the future now is laptop and palmtop, while Apple is putting a lot of effort in the palmtop division but they are letting alone the laptop, not just because the defective products, also the lack of capabilities in the newest models (fw400, more usb, matte, bd and such). My question is :why?.
 
What I expect them to do do is at least investigate which are the chips affected and make public the part numbers. Saying that "some machines can be affected" as it is said now in Apple support web page is not taking any risk, or more precisely, is making their customers to take the risk that Apple is not keen to take. And it is not my fault if they decided not to build the model that I bought anymore.

I have not asked for any profit from this event, not even a compensation for the 4 weeks (so far) that I have not been able to use the computer during the last 2 months in my professional activity. All I want is a computer in which I can rely, without being suspicious that next day will maybe fail. That would mean that an spare battery, a kensington lock, a Leopard license and a second skin that I had also acquired for the brick computer will be useless. But at least I would not have to be worried about a computer that will probably fail once and once and once again until the warranty is over.
 
I visited an Apple Genius today. He went through my list of questions while I was unpacking my MBP for other questions.

Question: Are all the 8600M faulty (have a shorter than usual lifespan?)
Answer: No

Question: Is the extended warranty added on to Apple Care?
Answer: No

Question: If my 8600M packs in will it be replaced by a tested and certified one that does not suffer from the same problem?
Answer: Yes

Question: What is the max safe temperature for the 8600M when playing games?
Answer: About 130 degrees

So it looks bright if he was telling me the truth. If he wasn't I could claim against him if my replacement fails.

Thanks.
 
A full refund.
To change the defective part by a very different one.

For example, Sony did (again) another FULL callback for a specific model of batteries, no matter if those batteries are currently working or not.

Im a bit curious, currently desktop are out, the future now is laptop and palmtop, while Apple is putting a lot of effort in the palmtop division but they are letting alone the laptop, not just because the defective products, also the lack of capabilities in the newest models (fw400, more usb, matte, bd and such). My question is :why?.
Yeah, Sony did a good job with the batteries. Ironically, Sony have yet to admit that the Nvidia 8400 or 8600 used in some of their Vaio laptops are faulty... :(
 
the batteries case is different...
someone can get seriously hurt because of that
Not only could someone get hurt, it could have caused thousands upon thousands of dollars in damages if someone's house burned to the ground because of it, much less if anyone were inside the home at the time and didn't realize it (perhaps sleeping); whereas this is simply a defective graphics processor.

Apple have already extended the limited warranty by an extra year for this issue, and if you've got AppleCare you're covered for 3 years anyway, I'm not quite sure I see why everyone is so worked up about there not being a total recall... this issue doesn't affect everyone, it depends on usage patterns and how much stress you place on the GPU.
 
I have never played with the computer, I only use office and related programs. My GPU lasted 1 month after the replacement. We do not know how many people is affected: apple is not publishing any statistics, neither Nvidia.

Yes, it is not your life what is in risk when those failures occurs. But how many people would pay 3000-4000$ for a computer if it is prone to fail (loosing the computer for no less than 15 days for repairs, etc) even though the computer does not risk their lives? That would be a good idea for a publicity campaign... MBP, a computer that you will survive!!! (for sure!!!!)

I think that I have some rights apart from not risking my life or my house for a faulty battery.
 
1. Buy applecare.

2. Wait two years or so for:
a. Apple to come up with a new kicka$$ laptop (and come up with a revision B of it, and;
b. for Apple to run out of their warranty replacments of your model and other legacy MBP's.

3. Find a nephew, roommate, etc, who is a gamer. Find the latest, most demanding mac game that will work with your model. Have them go to town on it:

"Geez Mike, are you still playing Half Life 29 on my old Macbook Pro?"
"Yep..."
"Great!"

4. When the video chip fails, take back to apple store, or applecare for replacement. Hopefully, they'll provide you with a newer machine, maybe a mobile quad core....
 
I've made a genius appointment for tomorrow and will take the MLB replacement and see how it goes. Hopefully it doesn't take long. Is it possible to ask them to test the GPU again before i leave the store on collection?
 
Ask them what is different about this card than the one that died. Ask them to prove that it's a newer revision.
 
But ask for visual evidence, perhaps you could ask them to run the test for the 8600m with the new logicboard? I wonder if it would fail...
 
Question: If my 8600M packs in will it be replaced by a tested and certified one that does not suffer from the same problem?
Answer: Yes

Question: What is the max safe temperature for the 8600M when playing games?
Answer: About 130 degrees

Is this Celsius or Fahrenheit (or Kelvin) ?
This might be a trollish question, but my GPU diode is currently at 70 Celsius just while doing some text processing with Latex.
Oh, I got my replacement a few weeks ago (logic board no. 3 hooray !), so I'm supposed to have a "save" board.
 
He just said degrees, I think he meant 130 degrees celsius because the fans don't speed up until the GPU passes 70 degrees c.

I misunderstood what you meant. Is that your 3rd replacement? or a revision 3 board?

I'm also thinking of visiting an Apple Genius again. Here are the questions I'm going to ask.

Are the Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT you are replacing the faulty ones with manufactured differently to not fail from the same issues?

If so, why are there reports of peoples replaced ones failing?

Can you prove it? If not, why not?

I know the fault is on Nvidia’s behalf but that can’t ruin Apple’s reputation, what are you doing about it? Replacing faulty with faulty?

Can I buy Apple Care more than once to extend my warranty further?

I’ve got some videos of my MacBook Pro displaying some distorted graphics, can you test mine to see if it is dying?

If the GPU issue isn’t resolved can I have a refund for what my Mac is currently worth now or can I get a new one with a small price added on?

If I cannot have a refund or a replacement, am I supposed to let my MacBook Pro just die because of the GPU issue once my warranty has ended?



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