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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?

That's a shame that so many of you complaining about this GPU issue aren't even having this issue, in fact many of you have had your notebook for 2+ years and still are saying you got screwed. Got screwed on what?? It's working right? I am aware of the 8600GT issue however I think many people here would have less problems with their computers if they didn't come here.
 
smiddlehurst said:
Why they don't do the right thing, cop to ALL 8600m's being faulty and recall 'em rather than fix IF they break within an arbitrary time period I don't know. Well, I DO know, much cheaper this way
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Well to be fair, Nvidia should cover the cost.
 
smiddlehurst said:
Why they don't do the right thing, cop to ALL 8600m's being faulty and recall 'em rather than fix IF they break within an arbitrary time period I don't know. Well, I DO know, much cheaper this way, but it'd be a sign of good faith to those of us who are about to come out of the cover period.
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The first question should be: If you were running NVIDIA and your job was to make money and satisfy stockholders, would you?

A good sign of faith can be looked at the other way and take literally: All NVIDIA goods are ticking timebombs and we should all stay away—who'd want that for their company. Also NVIDIA doesn't even fab the chips themselves—it's all outsourced to difference contractors.
 
JavierP said:
My MBP 2.2 graphics card went belly up yesterday :mad: . The apple reseller here in Argentina, is asking Apple if I should get a free repair (The MBP is out of warranty and I dont have Apple Care). I'm preparing myself for being raped in standing position.
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In the end Apple fixed my MBP for free, but the whole process took one month! That is 3.5 weeks waiting for the logic board to arrive to Buenos Aires + 2 days for the actual repair :eek:
 
HLdan said:
That's a shame that so many of you complaining about this GPU issue aren't even having this issue, in fact many of you have had your notebook for 2+ years and still are saying you got screwed. Got screwed on what?? It's working right? I am aware of the 8600GT issue however I think many people here would have less problems with their computers if they didn't come here.
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Have you actually read this thread? How many have suffered from the issue, how many of us have heard much the same thing from Genius bar employees (i.e. that this is basically a fault across the 8600m GT line regardless of whether they're in Apple machines or anything else), hell even Apple themselves are saying Nvidia lied to them about the issue.

The point is, right now, the odds favour the chip in most MBP's built between May 2007 and September 2008 failing owing to an inherent defect. Yes, it might go after two years but you know what? When I buy a piece of kit I expect it to be built properly, especially when it's a premium product.

Yes, Nvidia should pay for a full recall of ALL 8600m GT cards in my opinion, regardless of what manufactuer's laptop they're in. Nvidia themselves have said the company would take a $150 million to $200 million one-time charge to cover:

anticipated customer warranty, repair, return, replacement and other consequential costs and expenses arising from a weak die/packaging material set in certain versions of our previous generation MCP and GPU products used in notebook systems. All newly manufactured products and all products currently shipping in volume has a different and more robust material set.
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Now the only way I can read that is if 'certain versions' have a weak die / packaging material set and that set has been changed for currently shipping products then it's likely to be a problem with ALL examples of those 'certain versions'. So as Apple have acknowledged faults of this part in their products over almost a year and a half period then it's pretty bloody likely it's faulty as manufactured and should therefore be resolved.
 
After reading most of this, I wanted to sell mine on ebay. Was going to buy ubMB. The trackpad put me off getting one! I hated it!

So I'm going to stick with this for a while and weigh out my options.
 
clyde2801 said:
Or, while you still have applecare, put boot camp on your machine and game the hell out of it. Nvidia chip fails, and keep doing that until you get either a good machine or a unibody.
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Good idea lol.

Just so happens that I bought Unreal Tournament 3 yesterday :)
 
Looks like my graphics have once again failed epically. And Apple refused to repair it the first time I went there. Wonder what they'll say now.

Edit: Just called Apple. Looks like its getting replaced. About time.
 

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My MBP just failed. I was using it one day just fine. And I shut it down overnight, booted it up the next day and the screen is blank. I can start the computer but the screen is blank. No external display works.

Lucky I have AppleCare...
 
Xavier said:
My MBP just failed. I was using it one day just fine. And I shut it down overnight, booted it up the next day and the screen is blank. I can start the computer but the screen is blank. No external display works.

Lucky I have AppleCare...
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I'm no expert but that doesn't mean you have the 8600 GPU problem.
 
Confused

The Apple site says that affected computers were manufactured before September 2009. According to this site, my four week-old laptop was purchased in December 2009. It is the early 2008 model and has a 8600 GT card. Am I affected by the problem?
 
saine said:
The Apple site says that affected computers were manufactured before September 2009. According to this site, my four week-old laptop was purchased in December 2009. It is the early 2008 model and has a 8600 GT card. Am I affected by the problem?
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Yes
 
Sorry, I meant manufactured in December 2008, not bought in December 2008 (it was bought brand new in April, special deal on the older model - AU$2900 for the 17" with 4gb and 320 gb hard drive).
 
clyde2801 said:
Or, while you still have applecare, put boot camp on your machine and game the hell out of it. Nvidia chip fails, and keep doing that until you get either a good machine or a unibody.
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:D

you are evil but you are right.
I ll do that....:p

nevertheless I must say that till now i had no issues with heavy gamming for 5 hours consecutive...

manufactured 3rd week October 2008...
maybe it is not a bad GPU after all...

maybe saine is right those like us with Macbook Pros made AFTER Sep/08 are not in trouble...

we will see...
 
saine said:
Sorry, I meant manufactured in December 2008, not bought in December 2008 (it was bought brand new in April, special deal on the older model - AU$2900 for the 17" with 4gb and 320 gb hard drive).
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Regardless...then again you might not see failure soon since the 17" has a bigger thermal envelope (things are usually cooler on the 17") but that might not even matter if you push the machine consistently.

Bottom line most (99.9%) 8600 chips WILL fail sooner or later
 
Even Apple is pissed...

As I surmised earlier, nobody is really "safe" with the fixes for these computers with these video cards. Electronista has an article at http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/11/nvidia.sued.over.graphics/ where they point out that Apple and others are suing nVidia and seeking class action status. It acknowledges that owners may get an extra year of warranty from Apple but at the end of that extra year you STILL may have a failure from these bad cards and then (my comment, not theirs) you are screwed.
I know some comments have been made that would imply that only certain cards from a certain date were bad but I don't recall anything that says so definitively. The "solution" for this may be an extra year of Applecare but that would be crap for whatever owner has one of these computers three years down the road. If Apple stated clearly and definitively that current motherboards/cards are all "good" I'd appreciate a reference to that comment as I have a good friend with one of these computers and I need to make recommendations to him to sell it off if current cards are still bad or to keep it if a repaired computer is really and fully fixed. The comments below don't imply that the problem is permanently fixed when a repair is done.

from Electonista we learn....

Although Apple, Dell and HP also tried to find a solution, Apple by promising to repair any defective MacBook Pro for two years after the purchase date and Dell and HP released an update (designed by Nvidia) to increase fan speed to prevent chip failures, the plaintiffs still claim that this is an improper “remedy” for the problem. The five plaintiffs also believe that the faulty processor can lead to further problems such as degraded battery life, slower system performance, and increased noise. In addition, the fix only ensures that the computer will not fail during the OEM’s express warranty period, leaving the longer-term effects to reveal themselves after the warranty.

Currently the lawsuit requests the case be granted class-action status, which could involve millions of laptop computer owners and result in Nvidia having to replace the faulty chips and pay unspecified damages.
 
I've got an 8600m GT but rarely see any graphic errors / screen flickering but I have seen them. How do I get my MBP replaced (or the logic board or ?)?
 
contact apple. they will have you send it in. they may ask you to describe the symptoms over the phone but essentially you just have to call apple and tell them what's going on and they'll create a "case" (be sure to get the case number) and then send it to them. Of course if you have an Apple store locally you can take it to them. If not, call Apple and they'll walk you through the process. Don't wait for the board to go out. Be sure you make a bootable mirror of your hard drive. Don't expect your data to be safe.
 
I have a MBP purchased in November 2008 which, if I am reading this thread correctly means I am NOT affected by this video card issue? I have also had the logic board replaced in my laptop - so even if I was affected, does that mean the new logic board put in a few months ago has taken care of the issue?
 
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