So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?

[jjahshik32]

The reason why apple kept selling the nvida gpu macbook pros are the same reason why other oem vendors like, asus, hp, dell, alienware kept selling their notebooks with the same nvidia gpu for over a year.. Nvidia kept their mouth shut until now.

What bothers me is that they are still keeping it semi secret and already expected to take 200 million dollar hit.

 

[gr8bob]

I'm not posting without proof though. I will post a few of those graphic glitches that I've had experienced. I've gone through 3 nVidia chips in two MBP.. all experiencing errors/crashes related to the nVidia graphics subsystem.

In the mean time, try explain the widespread NVChannel(GL) errors though..

http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=nvchannel+error&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

[zsft]

Im waiting for the recall from Apple.

Yeah...ain't going to happen, because Apple doesn't have anything else to replace it with. And Nvidia won't be able to fix it either too since its new GTX200 series are getting destroyed by ATi's HD3800s, and on another front Rambus is suing them. I'd be surprised if Apple sticks with Nvidia in the next revision of MBPs.

hahaha guys stop googling ppl's names...these discussions are getting so personal

 

[jjahshik32]

Just thought this might be interesting.

Chief executive Jen-Hsun Huang said in a statement. "The GPU has become an increasingly important part of the computing experience and we are seeing more interest by PC OEMs to adopt GPUs in more platforms. Recognizing that the GPU is one of the most complex processors in the system, it is critical that we now work more closely with notebook system designers and our chip foundries to ensure that the GPU and the system are designed collaboratively for the best performance and robustness."
The flaw, Huang said, was due to the thermal cycling between full-performance and low-power states that notebook chips must endure.
"This has been a challenging experience for us," Huang added. "However, the lessons we've learned will help us build far more robust products in the future, and become a more valuable system design partner to our customers. As for the present, we have switched production to a more robust die/package material set and are working proactively with our OEM partners to develop system management software that will provide better thermal management to the GPU."

So I guess the newer gpu or current manufactured notebooks with the nvidia 8xxx series are getting the "fixed" gpu?

 

[prism]

You still didn't answer my question: did you mention on ebay that the MBP you are selling might have a defective GPU?

 

[markgamber]

If ALL of these were defective, how in th hell could Apple continue selling them on all MacBook Pros as of right now?

I skimmed all 6 pages of this post and didn't find any proof of any of this beside some stupid blog.

This thread is b.s. Why is it still open?

LOL...I was thinking the same thing. The only real question here is whether they're actively trying to have a stroke in the next 10 years or just hoping for one. If I was actually "worried" about a computer, I have already replaced it, not hopped on a blog and whined about it for 7 pages. Sounds more like someone's trying pick up a few cheap ones for resale on ebay to me.

 

[gr8bob]

I have uploaded a series of snapshots for 2 of my MBP's that I went through, which includes a logic board change on the first MBP.. all of them shows signs of something wrong with the graphics subsystem.

I'm currently using a 2.4GHz Penryn/SR MBP which was a replacement for the first 2.2GHz Merom/SR MBP that I had (which had a logic board replacement once) and all of them shows problems similar to those of the photos I've uploaded (they were mine to begin with) except the texture corruption that I have yet to experience on my current replacement MBP since it's only less than two weeks old. Yet, it's already started to give NVChannel(GL) errors and GeForce8x00 kext-related application crashes which were signs that I've had on the first MBP before texture corruption began to show 3 months later.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28516734@N05/sets/72157606141870377/

 

[CWallace]

Its been burned in my mind now..

Nvidia=Bad
ATI=Heaven

Spoken like a man who has never had to deal with ATI drivers...

 

[amusiccale]

I guess at this point, we'll have to wait for NVidia or Apple to release some kind of statement. Even so, the number of people with corrupted/failed video seems like a bad sign. Selling the computer, however, seems a little premature.

 

[jottingjones]

You still didn't answer my question: did you mention on ebay that the MBP you are selling might have a defective GPU?

I'd love to hear that too. Since he's making such a fuss about ATI not telling him when he bought it, surely he'll notify any potential ebay buyers of the flaw his mbp might have.

 

[ghostguts]

I'd love to hear that too. Since he's making such a fuss about ATI not telling him when he bought it, surely he'll notify any potential ebay buyers of the flaw his mbp might have.

Not difficult to do a little ebay research, considering he listed the specs of his MBP and you know it's in used condition.

None of the ones listed conveniently mention the little potential GPU problem.

 

[magallanes]

Spoken like a man who has never had to deal with ATI drivers...

Ditto.

Anyways,(AFAIK) Nvidia is not a PCB manufacturer and the trouble with this gpu is in the pcb and not in the chip.

 

[NovemberMike]

If ALL of these were defective, how in th hell could Apple continue selling them on all MacBook Pros as of right now?

I skimmed all 6 pages of this post and didn't find any proof of any of this beside some stupid blog.

This thread is b.s. Why is it still open?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1215037160521.html

nVidia's press page...

This isn't BS

 

[jottingjones]

Not difficult to do a little ebay research, considering he listed the specs of his MBP and you know it's in used condition.

None of the ones listed conveniently mention the little potential GPU problem.

So you've looked at ebay.com ebay.co.uk ebay.ca ebay .com.au and whatever other ebay site? I still think asking him directly would provide a quicker answer.

 

[CoolMe]

Not reading all the posts, but I gather its to do with heat and drivers!

Have anyone of you not thought about upgrading your drivers?

I got recommended NVision, which is modded .inf files so you can install the latest drivers.

I've installed 3 different type of drivers over the months on my Macbook pro 8600M GT

But i've found the 175.16 works the best (Half the amount of heat it use to chuck out)

So have a look around because it's not going to do any damage

Click here for link

EDIT

Ooops this is only for a bootcamp windows partition

 

[gr8bob]

Not reading all the posts, but I gather its to do with heat and drivers!

Have anyone of you not thought about upgrading your drivers?

I got recommended NVision, which is modded .inf files so you can install the latest drivers.

I've installed 3 different type of drivers over the months on my Macbook pro 8600M GT

But i've found the 175.16 works the best (Half the amount of heat it use to chuck out)

So have a look around because it's not going to do any damage

Click here for link

There are no official nvidia drivers for Leopard other than the ones supplied together with the system updates.

 

[prism]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1215037160521.html

nVidia's press page...

This isn't BS

LOL, this press release couldn't be vaguer...hence all the fuss!

 

[ghostguts]

So you've looked at ebay.com ebay.co.uk ebay.ca ebay .com.au and whatever other ebay site? I still think asking him directly would provide a quicker answer.

Regardless, no one is listing the issue, and there has to be a few more in there that are aware of the issue, but conveniently not mentioning it; notice how no one is listing his or her MBP on the marketplace here on Macrumors, where this issue is spreading like wildfire.

 

[m1stake]

Not to mention it's extremely dishonest to sell damaged merchandise.

 

[CWallace]

Not to mention it's extremely dishonest to sell damaged merchandise.

Unless it has failed, it is not damaged. Just because the OP is convinced his GPU will fail and fail soon does not mean it will. I owned a laptop model for three years that was "notorious" for suffering failures in it's nVidia GPU and it never gave me a day of trouble.

When I sold it on eBay, I did not mention that it's GPU could fail because I didn't think it was relevant. And hey, any GPU can fail for a variety of reasons.

 

[zer0tails]

Unless it has failed, it is not damaged. Just because the OP is convinced his GPU will fail and fail soon does not mean it will. I owned a laptop model for three years that was "notorious" for suffering failures in it's nVidia GPU and it never gave me a day of trouble.

When I sold it on eBay, I did not mention that it's GPU could fail because I didn't think it was relevant. And hey, any GPU can fail for a variety of reasons.

Agree. i think this thread is all about the "sky is falling" I've not had any gpu problems with my mbp. And like others have said, if there are, Apple will take care of it. That's what warranties and Apple care is for. Granted certain people have had problems, but it is in my opinion that it is an unfortunate incident, but not all apple computers are problem free. Still that is no reason for people to start panicking.

 

[ghostguts]

Unless it has failed, it is not damaged. Just because the OP is convinced his GPU will fail and fail soon does not mean it will. I owned a laptop model for three years that was "notorious" for suffering failures in it's nVidia GPU and it never gave me a day of trouble.

When I sold it on eBay, I did not mention that it's GPU could fail because I didn't think it was relevant. And hey, any GPU can fail for a variety of reasons.

Yeah, but it sounds like you're selling it based on different reasons. There are a few people here and there that are selling it (somewhat prematurely, in my mind) based on the assumption that the GPU will fail, hoping that they can get some cash, while letting someone else deal with a potential problem.

 

[zer0tails]

Yeah, but it sounds like you're selling it based on different reasons. There are a few people here and there that are selling it (somewhat prematurely, in my mind) based on the assumption that the GPU will fail, hoping that they can get some cash, while letting someone else deal with a potential problem.

Guess what? I am selling my MBP 2.4 to upgrade to the 2.5 since I need more L2 cache and video memory. Not because I'm afraid the gpu will fail. some may call me stupid, but I don't think there is a better all round work horse than the MBP at the moment.

 

[ghostguts]

...some may call me stupid, but I don't think there is a better all round work horse than the MBP at the moment.

I totally agree. Regardless of whether or not there's a GPU problem, the MBP is clearly better than 98% of the other laptops out there, which is why I am eventually investing in the purchase of one.

But like others, I'm worried that it'll crap out after three or four years, or even sooner. Having had my fair share of PC laptops (Dell, for shame) crap out within a year or two, I'm looking for some stability, which is why I'm purchasing a MBP...eventually.

So you might be able to imagine by hesitation when I all of a sudden hear about some instability in a product when I'm looking for stability. Yes, nothing is perfect, but I'd at least like to know what's going on -- what's affected and what's not before I finalize a purchase.

 

[zer0tails]

@ ghostguts. If you need a MBP now and in a hurry, just go get one now. if not, waiting till October for new MBPs are a good idea. Just keep in mind, that most people expect the next MBP to be with a case redesign and the montevina/nehalem chip. As with all Rev A macs, be prepared for some initial issues. However if it is stability which is what you're after, you don't get much more mature and refined than the current MBPs. The only worry is the nvidia chip, which as some of the more discerning mac users think is a little storm in a tea cup. And like I said, if it craps out, Apple will replace it. no worries there.