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RIP Macbook Pro (April 2008 - Feb 2010) :(

Penryn Macbook Pro, Nvidia 8600M GT 512B VRAM chip.

After following this thread for over a year and wondering about my mac it finally stopped working last Friday. No warnings, no graphic manifestations, it just wouldn't turn on whatsoever.

When I took it into my local Applestore (Shinsaibashi, Osaka), the genius couldn't even run the Nvidia faulty chip test. (It was later confirmed to be a logic board failure at the repair centre).

I can't fault the service I received at the applestore though. I have applecare and took it in the same day it failed, last Friday. It was sent off to the repair centre and shipped back to my house fixed today, Tuesday. A 4 day turnaround which included a Saturday and a Sunday. I also received a new battery and a new superdrive which were also both defective. (3 separate things broken on such an expensive laptop that I babied is not great but at least it was fixed fast with no worries. Applecare was definitely worth it in my case).

Talking with the apple genius he claimed that most people who have their first logic board replaced don't experience any further problems but I find that hard to believe given all the evidence to the contrary. He was pretty friendly and very professional. When I pushed him and asked whether I was just going to receive the same unmodified Nvidia chip again after the repair he admitted that was the case after saying at first he didn't know.

On my documentation I supposedly have a "Rev 2" 8600M GT chip now in my mac, although whether there is really any difference between this new one and the faulty original or not I do not know.

Either way the mac is working again but nevertheless if this really is an ongoing problem then sooner or later it is going to go wrong again. This laptop is two years old, one year left with Applecare and if Apple refuse to replace faulty boards after the 3 year window this mac will become a $3000 paper-weight.

Let's hope that either the new "Rev 2" chips are less likely to fail (highly doubtful), or Apple continues to honor replacing the logic boards beyond three years. (Again doubtful).

Selling the notebook is the final option but it is still quite a loss to take when I was planning on keeping it for at least 5 years.

One strange thing happened after the repair. The Hard Drive is intact and all my files and applications were left unchanged but I mysteriously gained an extra 10 GB of space back from somewhere...? :confused: The start-up time is also significantly faster too. What could they have done to affect that??

My new Nvidia chip specs taken from System Profiler:

GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3212
 
So far so good - I have had my MBP now for almost a year and still no issues with the 9400M or the 9600M GT - I do run the 9400M more often then the 9600M GT (I only really switch on the 9600M GT When I'm doing a lot of video or photo editing) and to be honest the increase in performance is not that noticeable.
 
So far so good - I have had my MBP now for almost a year and still no issues with the 9400M or the 9600M GT - I do run the 9400M more often then the 9600M GT (I only really switch on the 9600M GT When I'm doing a lot of video or photo editing) and to be honest the increase in performance is not that noticeable.

your card is not an issue this trend is the 8600m gt.
 
So far so good - I have had my MBP now for almost a year and still no issues with the 9400M or the 9600M GT - I do run the 9400M more often then the 9600M GT (I only really switch on the 9600M GT When I'm doing a lot of video or photo editing) and to be honest the increase in performance is not that noticeable.

Indeed, as the poster said above as far as anyone knows the Nvidia 94 and 96 series are fine so you bought into the mac cycle at the right time my friend. You can relax.

Unfortunately there are thousands of other users caught up in this GPU debacle. Costing everyone money...
 
My new Nvidia chip specs taken from System Profiler:

GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3212

Did you have different specs before taking it in? I ask, because I also took it in for a logic board failure (and by the way sounds like we had the same problem exactly), and now I have the same specs as you, except mine is the 256 MB of video ram.
 
Did you have different specs before taking it in? I ask, because I also took it in for a logic board failure (and by the way sounds like we had the same problem exactly), and now I have the same specs as you, except mine is the 256 MB of video ram.

I honestly didn't record the Nvidia chip serial/spec numbers before it broke so I cannot be sure. However my old chip had 512 MB of RAM and so does the new one so that part didn't change. In my paper documentation it is listed as being a "Rev 2" version whatever that really means...
 
I honestly didn't record the Nvidia chip serial/spec numbers before it broke so I cannot be sure. However my old chip had 512 MB of RAM and so does the new one so that part didn't change. In my paper documentation it is listed as being a "Rev 2" version whatever that really means...

Yeah, I got Rev 2 as well. In any case, since last May when this happened to mine I've been all aces. Although to be fair, I was pretty good for more than a year until it suddenly decided not to turn on.
 
Yeah, I got Rev 2 as well. In any case, since last May when this happened to mine I've been all aces. Although to be fair, I was pretty good for more than a year until it suddenly decided not to turn on.

Yeah your problem sounds exactly the same as mine. Some people seem to experience intermittent signs but it seems that you and I just got a total failure with no warning.

Do you know anything about these so called "Rev 2" GPUs? I have heard that they aren't really any different and it is just a matter of time before they fail too... :(
 
New solder process???

kdum8 said:
In my paper documentation it is listed as being a "Rev 2" version whatever that really means...

Do you know anything about these so called "Rev 2" GPUs? I have heard that they aren't really any different and it is just a matter of time before they fail too... :(

So no one believes that NVIDIA is using a new solder process? Not saying we should believe this but solder parameters and solder composition can have HUGE effects on the final physical properties and mechanical performance thru heat cycles...

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-fea...nts-at-a-disadvantage-over-ati-scientist-says
 
So no one believes that NVIDIA is using a new solder process? Not saying we should believe this but solder parameters and solder composition can have HUGE effects on the final physical properties and mechanical performance thru heat cycles...

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-fea...nts-at-a-disadvantage-over-ati-scientist-says

I am sure that they may be using eutectic solder bumps in their latest graphics chips but the question is whether the "rev 2" 8600M GT chip is really any different and they have changed the solder for that model. The article you posted is interesting but it doesn't shed any light on that part of the issue.

I really hope there is a difference, otherwise we are all going to be sitting with very expensive paper weights as soon as 3 years is up and Apple cease to replace the Logic Boards.

Incidentally have you had a GPU failure?
 
Yes, the question is whether we are getting something significantly different with these "rev 2". I think we should head over to the Any of you preunibody guys still on your original 8600GT? and 8600GT MBP owners who HAVEN'T experienced a failure. threads and ask the people that are still rocking a preunibody mbp without logic board replacements to check their system profile.


*edit*
And anybody reading this that still hasn't experienced any problem, please, go to Apple then about this mac, click on more information, then head over to graphics and please paste here the nvidia profile. Thanks.
 
man... this sucks tits.

no; that's awesome, this is not.

I game, recently, a lot under bootcamp and just yesterday starting getting all kinds of wicked graphical artifacts in-game. I didn't realize that gaming would decrease the life of my GPU =( I'm ascared to boot into windows now for fear it might get too hot and fry.
 
So has anyone devised a set of steps to reproduce failure (within spec)? I know back in the day I heard alot that cold/hot/cold cycles will break it so does that mean to game, then pop it in the fridge, then game some more ? (obviously don't put it in the fridge) . It gets pretty chilly here at night. Maybe I should use it outside ?
 
*edit*
And anybody reading this that still hasn't experienced any problem, please, go to Apple then about this mac, click on more information, then head over to graphics and please paste here the nvidia profile. Thanks.

Here you go:

Code:
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

  Chipset Model:	GeForce 8600M GT    
  Type:	GPU
  Bus:	PCIe
  PCIe Lane Width:	x16
  VRAM (Total):	256 MB
  Vendor:	NVIDIA (0x10de)
  Device ID:	0x0407
  Revision ID:	0x00a1
  ROM Revision:	3212
  Displays:
Color LCD:
  Resolution:	1440 x 900
  Pixel Depth:	32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
  Main Display:	Yes
  Mirror:	Off
  Online:	Yes
  Built-In:	Yes
Display Connector:
  Status:	No Display Connected
 
Here you go:

Code:
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

  Chipset Model:	GeForce 8600M GT    
  Type:	GPU
  Bus:	PCIe
  PCIe Lane Width:	x16
  VRAM (Total):	256 MB
  Vendor:	NVIDIA (0x10de)
  Device ID:	0x0407
  Revision ID:	0x00a1
  ROM Revision:	3212
  Displays:
Color LCD:
  Resolution:	1440 x 900
  Pixel Depth:	32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
  Main Display:	Yes
  Mirror:	Off
  Online:	Yes
  Built-In:	Yes
Display Connector:
  Status:	No Display Connected

thanks, so exactly the same as mine and I've had it replaced, so then there is no noticeable difference in the profile.
 
No problems at all:

NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3175
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1440 x 900
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Built-In: Yes
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
 
Macbook Pro 3.1
No issues
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3175
 
I'm still surprised this thread is alive from the first time I started this post! Man that was a while back! Time sure flies.
 
I'm still surprised this thread is alive from the first time I started this post! Man that was a while back! Time sure flies.

I'm just surprised you haven't edited the OP yet. Most people try to capitalize on a threads' success with all kinds of tidbits and bold font.

Anyway, for all who are interested, Specs of my original penryn 512 vram 8600m gt.

NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x8
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3212
Displays:
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
Cinema:
Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported


Note I don't believe the system info will yield significant results. We'll need to dig deeper but where, I do not know.

I am curious about why some of your cards are reporting a PCIe Land Width of 16x while mine is running at "half" that. Admittedly I don't know much about PCIe vs AGP or plain old PCI, but I will do some investigations.
Edit: I belive my ExpressCard SSD is causing it to slow down. Will do some investigations to see if this is the case. If so i'll have to abandon the little guy :(
 
Note I don't believe the system info will yield significant results. We'll need to dig deeper but where, I do not know.

I am curious about why some of your cards are reporting a PCIe Land Width of 16x while mine is running at "half" that. Admittedly I don't know much about PCIe vs AGP or plain old PCI, but I will do some investigations.

Thanks for the help, and yes, I believe you're right, seems like those of us with out logic boards replaced have the same information as far as what is shown in the system profile, as those that haven't had any problems.

Is there another way to see what each one of us has inside our mbps?
 
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Note I don't believe the system info will yield significant results. We'll need to dig deeper but where, I do not know.

I am curious about why some of your cards are reporting a PCIe Land Width of 16x while mine is running at "half" that. Admittedly I don't know much about PCIe vs AGP or plain old PCI, but I will do some investigations.

There's nothing to investigate. nVidia and Apple knows the problem completely. The graphic cards are defective from the start. There's no solution for it except for new graphic card which would require a refreshed motherboard. I don't know why but Apple isn't willing to put in new motherboard with later nVidia graphic cards, they are just wasting stupid amount of money installing all of those refurbished motherboards with the same graphic cards. There are no "Rev 2.0" mobo or graphic cards, they are not fixed.

The older those macbook pros get, the worse the problem is going to get for Apple.
 
My pain is finally over after today after 14 replacement parts including 3 logic board replacements due to bad video cards I now got a new unibody macbook pro as a replacement. No more having to deal with bad 8600GT video cards.
 
Older siblings, also both in college, have a Santa Rosa and Penryn MBP. Both are 8600m GT models, dunno the VRAM on them, but they have been flawless.
 
Only problem i have noticed is when I am in after effects it says that it cannot find an open GL compatible card and when i first received my Macbook Pro, It had no problem.

Mac Book Pro 4.1

NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3212
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1440 x 900
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Built-In: Yes
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
 
I'm still surprised this thread is alive from the first time I started this post! Man that was a while back! Time sure flies.

Unfortunately it is a testament to the scale of the problem. I had been following your thread for a long time hoping I would be spared but eventually it failed... Incidentally you have a 8600M GT chip too? Has your failed?


There's nothing to investigate. nVidia and Apple knows the problem completely. The graphic cards are defective from the start. There's no solution for it except for new graphic card which would require a refreshed motherboard. I don't know why but Apple isn't willing to put in new motherboard with later nVidia graphic cards, they are just wasting stupid amount of money installing all of those refurbished motherboards with the same graphic cards. There are no "Rev 2.0" mobo or graphic cards, they are not fixed.

The older those macbook pros get, the worse the problem is going to get for Apple.

I fear that you may indeed be correct. I am sure there is a reason why Apple are not fixing the motherboards. Perhaps it isn't very easy at all and is cost prohibitive. If you are correct though all of us really should be trying to sell these notebooks before we are just left with expensive bricks. Although that would entail a small loss it is better than having nothing when it breaks after 3 years. The very annoying thing is that no-one actually knows. Very few people are out of the 3 year period yet so this problem hasn't come up. What apple are going to do once it does will be interesting.

NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x8
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3212
Displays:
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
Cinema:
Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported


Note I don't believe the system info will yield significant results. We'll need to dig deeper but where, I do not know.

You are probably correct. There is no difference between specs on replaced and non-replaced cards according to the profiler.

My pain is finally over after today after 14 replacement parts including 3 logic board replacements due to bad video cards I now got a new unibody macbook pro as a replacement. No more having to deal with bad 8600GT video cards.

Glad you are out of it finally! 14 replacement parts is a lot to go wrong. Three logic boards seems to be the threshold for a free computer. Enjoy the unibody... This was all within the three years of applecare I imagine?
Did you do a large amount of gaming?
 
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