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I suspect you'll find that Apple are waiting for x-point to ship, and you'll see MBP and MB re-designs to incorporate it in the near future.

To make the most of x-point, the board will need a major re-design and doing a re-design for Skylake right now is a waste of time when they're just going to need to do it again in a few months.

10-20% CPU speed increase is the difference between a 1.1 and 1.2 GHz processor. You will not notice that in general use. The 40% GPU performance boost? Sure. But I do not think that is enough to rush out a new model simply to claim "SKYLAKE!!1" when there is other stuff coming very soon.

Don't get me wrong, I think as an end user it would be nice to see a Skylake MB. But from an Apple logistics and tooling perspective, its not worth it until x-point is here.

X-Point is going to be a revolution. It is going to mean INSTANT sleep/wake from sleep. FAR faster IO than SSD. The ability for portables to deal with massive data sets is going to grow immensely.

x-point would be outstanding. I will be really impressed and willing to wait if they do it "in the near future" however, ee times says not until Jan 2017. http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1328682
 
Once again, you are wrong with rMB Skylake. Just like you are wrong about Apple keeping headphone jack in iPhone 7.

Skylake rMB is all but confirmed. It will be a silent update between now and WWDC.

There are other examples of these "secret" features on these not-so-secret menus that never turn out to be accurate.

Perhaps there is architecture originally planned for an update in "early 2016" because two years ago Apple thought the RMB would be flush in a supply chain by "early 2015". It wasn't.

As for iPhone 7, LOL, the two brand new iPad's would be the very first devices to break with the old headphone jack, friend. See, it's the most expensive products that make these leaps, set the trends. The iPad's would break with tradition and take those risks, they have the audience, they have the battery life. The iPhone will follow the iPad if it ever happens. The iPad strategy released in 2016 should be a huge clue that there will be no dropping of the headphone jack in the iPhone 7. At this point, I'd be worried about it even making it to the 7S if I were you. When it happens, it will be when a) Apple announces a new iTunes HD codec and b) when there is a critical mass of headphone makers that adopt the Lightning audio standard. To date it's 0 for 2 on that front.

BJ
 
There are other examples of these "secret" features on these not-so-secret menus that never turn out to be accurate. <blah>

Your logical contortions in an attempt to deny the inevitable reality are hilarious.

I wouldn't be surprised to see you back here after Apple announces Skylake rMB and jack-less iPhone7, trying to convince everyone it didn't really happen.
 
What I do not understand about the SE is what happens come June if it's bigger brothers get an upgrade, given the SE has basically the same innards as the 6S etc

Apple likes to stick to patterns. I think they've learned from their mistakes with the 5C. The 5C wasn't a bad device, it actually looked quite nice imo. The 5C failed because it sat in a position that didn't make sense in the market. With the SE, Apple has lowered the price enough for there to be a considerable reason to 'upgrade' to the smaller device.

Regarding my pattern theory: now that Apple has established the March timeframe for the SE release, I think that will remain in years to come. It gives Apple an early and late year buyer's option, allows them to broaden their product line, a way to utilize existing supply chains for many of their components, the list goes on. Who knows what the next iteration will be called (SE2?), however I believe it'll introduce a totally one of a kind design. Apart from the 5, 6, and at that point 7's design. This will allow Apple to release 2 groundbreaking iPhones within about a 7 month period to ride huge momentum into 2017.
 
Your logical contortions in an attempt to deny the inevitable reality are hilarious.

I wouldn't be surprised to see you back here after Apple announces Skylake rMB and jack-less iPhone7, trying to convince everyone it didn't really happen.

No, if that happened I'd man up and take my medicine.

You know, like you should be doing right now instead of creating a case that May is "Early 2016" and the iPhone will be the first iOS device without a headphone jack instead of the iPad.

BJ
 
Apple likes to stick to patterns. I think they've learned from their mistakes with the 5C. The 5C wasn't a bad device, it actually looked quite nice imo. The 5C failed because it sat in a position that didn't make sense in the market. With the SE, Apple has lowered the price enough for there to be a considerable reason to 'upgrade' to the smaller device.

Regarding my pattern theory: now that Apple has established the March timeframe for the SE release, I think that will remain in years to come. It gives Apple an early and late year buyer's option, allows them to broaden their product line, a way to utilize existing supply chains for many of their components, the list goes on. Who knows what the next iteration will be called (SE2?), however I believe it'll introduce a totally one of a kind design. Apart from the 5, 6, and at that point 7's design. This will allow Apple to release 2 groundbreaking iPhones within about a 7 month period to ride huge momentum into 2017.

I think the 5c failed for a few reasons, all of which if fixed with the SE. While the form factor was easy to hold, the plastic color gave it the appearance of being cheap. (Some thought the C designation was actually for 'cheap'). The colors were limited and somewhat feminine. It was also under spec'd and overpriced. It felt like you were getting a somewhat cheap watered down version of a real iPhone.

The SE doesn't seem like a compromise device and uses the same materials/coloring scheme as the bigger phones. It's much easier to market.

The question now is if they keep future re 4 inch models at the lower price point. Being Apple, I was a bit shocked the price came in lower than expected (how often do you say that with Apple) especially since the specs were better than expected.

Is the appeal the 4 inch form factor, the price or both? It would be hard to launch it as a new 'flagship' style device if the price was a big selling point.
 
No, if that happened I'd man up and take my medicine.

You know, like you should be doing right now instead of creating a case that May is "Early 2016" and the iPhone will be the first iOS device without a headphone jack instead of the iPad.

No, what I have is hard evidence of Apple doing exactly what I and many others expect. You know, like leaked photos of Lightening Ear buds, and profile definitions of new gen rMB.

"Creating cases" is what you do, and those are based purely on your obscure ideas of what Apple should or shouldn't be doing.. in other words - thin air.
 
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Apple likes to stick to patterns. I think they've learned from their mistakes with the 5C. The 5C wasn't a bad device, it actually looked quite nice imo. The 5C failed because it sat in a position that didn't make sense in the market. With the SE, Apple has lowered the price enough for there to be a considerable reason to 'upgrade' to the smaller device.

Regarding my pattern theory: now that Apple has established the March timeframe for the SE release, I think that will remain in years to come. It gives Apple an early and late year buyer's option, allows them to broaden their product line, a way to utilize existing supply chains for many of their components, the list goes on. Who knows what the next iteration will be called (SE2?), however I believe it'll introduce a totally one of a kind design. Apart from the 5, 6, and at that point 7's design. This will allow Apple to release 2 groundbreaking iPhones within about a 7 month period to ride huge momentum into 2017.

You may well be correct :)

It seems to me you must really want the small screen/footprint if you buy the SE as you will be telling your buddies don't worry I will have the same spec as the flagships in 9 months time when I upgrade and the only consolation is it seems at a discounted price.

Maybe it's a good way of recycling last years components at the near end of the production run. I agree the 5C was odd and the SE will satisfy many who were lagging and fence sitting on the bigger flagship offerings
 
I'm talking about wear and tear.

Attempted joke but since you asked, while I like my MacBooks, they aren't all that durable. None of my work Latitudes have had pitted palm rests, burnt out keyboard backlights, loose hinges, or failed AR coatings. Fortunately, I don't need dedicated graphics so haven't had to deal with those issues.
 
No, if that happened I'd man up and take my medicine.

You know, like you should be doing right now instead of creating a case that May is "Early 2016" and the iPhone will be the first iOS device without a headphone jack instead of the iPad.

BJ



Here are some facts:

In 2014 and 2015, macbook products released in April were refered as "early" by apple.

Apple only included the reference to the 2016 Macbook in the latest update of the configuration utility.

What we can extrapolate from those facts:

It is resonable to expect an update to the current generation Macbook in April.

You seem to struggle with reasoning in such a logical way.

Regards,

SC.
 
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Here are some facts:

In 2014 and 2015, macbook products released in April were refered as "early" by apple.

Apple only included the reference to the 2016 Macbook in the latest update of the configuration utility.

What we can extrapolate from those facts:

It is resonable to expect an update to the current generation Macbook in April.

You seem to struggle with reasoning in such a logical way.

Regards,

SC.
The only update will be rose gold. You heard it here first.
 
No, what I have is hard evidence of Apple doing exactly what I and many others expect. You know, like leaked photos of Lightening Ear buds, and profile definitions of new gen rMB.

"Creating cases" is what you do, and those are based purely on your obscure ideas of what Apple should or shouldn't be doing.. in other words - thin air.

I know what my eyes see and that, apparently, is more credible than whatever "hard evidence" you think you have like Photoshop photos from sketchy factories and rumors from opportunistic pay-per-click bloggers.

Here's what common sense should tell you:

If Apple were going to update the RMB it would be after the Pro and Air which are archaic and boring.

If Apple hasn't updated the Pro and Air in forever they would not update the RMB so quickly.

If Apple were going to kill the headphone jack they would first announce such a thing along with an iTunes HD protocol to go with it.

If Apple were to kill the headphone jack without announcing a protocol they would do it on a lower-unit-volume device than the iPhone such as the recently announced 2016 iPad or the forward-thinking 2015 RMB.

Here's what you are actually thinking:

"Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny got together with the Tooth Fairy and I'm going to get what I want because a blogger said so and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy never let me down."

BJ
 
I know what my eyes see and that, apparently, is more credible than whatever "hard evidence" you think you have like Photoshop photos from sketchy factories and rumors from opportunistic pay-per-click bloggers.

Here's what common sense should tell you

The reference to "early 2016 12-inch Macbook" is not just a "rumor" or a "sketchy Photoshop". It's a new hardware profile in Apple's own System Image Unity, that just popped up in a recent v5.1 update to OS X Server App. Anyone is able to download it from Apple MAS and see for themselves.

Is there still a chance that Apple pulls or delays the release for the reasons unbeknown to us? Of course there is. But clearly, Apple is preparing their Enterprise tools to support the imminent release of Skylake 12" MacBook.

It doesn't get to be any more "hard evidence" than that. Well, at least to people who are able to read and process basic information in front of them. But you can go on and keep pontificating about your misguided and made up "theories" and "common sense" - whatever gets you through your day.
 
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The reference to "early 2016 12-inch Macbook" is not just a "rumor" or a "sketchy Photoshop". It's a new hardware profile in Apple's own System Image Unity, that just popped up in a recent v5.1 update to OS X Server App.

These super secret "references" have appeared numerous times and usually lead to nothing. I'm the MacBook newb here and I'm the one that has to point this out?

BJ
 
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The reference to "early 2016 12-inch Macbook" is not just a "rumor" or a "sketchy Photoshop". It's a new hardware profile in Apple's own System Image Unity, that just popped up in a recent v5.1 update to OS X Server App.
These super secret "references" have appeared numerous times and usually lead to nothing.

Hang on! Only 30 days left to find out. :D

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Hang on! Only 30 days left to find out. :D

I wish. On May 3 someone is going to buy Chinese food in Boise and after they are done with their Chicken Chow Mein they are going to reach in to the bag, pull out a fortune cookie, and as they crack it open there will be this message:

"Confucius say: When standing next to a plentiful tree of apples under a sky of blue and a lake of blessed water, you will receive the lord silently"

And then they will post a thread on MacRumors about how it's confirmed in writing that Skylake is coming, in a silent update, in August.

BJ
 
Id hope for a 14" macbook that takes on the ULV processors of the current Air, and they deprecate the Air.

12" -> Core M
14" -> 15W ULV
13Pro -> 28W
15Pro -> 45W

We will see what ultimately happens. Im sure it will all be clearer after WWDC.
 
No, if that happened I'd man up and take my medicine.

You know, like you should be doing right now instead of creating a case that May is "Early 2016" and the iPhone will be the first iOS device without a headphone jack instead of the iPad.

BJ

And how's that medicine tasting right now, boltjames ? :)

I for one will be enjoying my new Skylake rMB with extended battery life.
 
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I wish. On May 3 someone is going to buy Chinese food in Boise and after they are done with their Chicken Chow Mein they are going to reach in to the bag, pull out a fortune cookie, and as they crack it open there will be this message:

"Confucius say: When standing next to a plentiful tree of apples under a sky of blue and a lake of blessed water, you will receive the lord silently"

And then they will post a thread on MacRumors about how it's confirmed in writing that Skylake is coming, in a silent update, in August.

BJ

I'm eager to hear your response BJ. I love how essentially THE ONLY change this update brought was Skylake, with an extra hour of battery life really the only other major differentiating feature. It throws BJ's theory even farther down the toilet ;)
 
I'm eager to hear your response BJ.

What, just because Apple updated their website with new Skylake MacBooks - did you actually think they released the upgraded MacBooks? Of course not! That's just silly. There are many examples of Apple "announcing" upgrades which all proved false down the line. This is just another one.

Who will you believe - Apple announcing Skylake upgrades.. or common sense, which should tell you that there is no reason for Apple to upgrade the current MacBook to Skylake. Who cares about keeping up with current Intel CPUs in their flagship computers and gaining some measly 15% performance gain and extra battery life. Certainly not I, nor Apple. And you most certainly don't need no stinking' Skylake, as current MacBook is plenty fast. Why? Because I said so, and I believe everything I say. And so should everyone else.

And pay no attention to this silliness, what with updated Skylake MacBooks on Apple Stores and all. There are no Skylake Retine MacBooks out there. Period, end of story. And if you see one - it's a mirage.. you are dreaming. Stop dreaming and enjoy your 2015 MacBook, as there wont be any new ones until at least 2019.

N.B. There will be no iPhone 7 released without headphone jack - not a slightest chance!

:D
 
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