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MP All Models So long, old friend.
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SDAVE
macrumors 601
RIP. Was torn recently that they'll update again due to stacked M5 chips but here we are.
flowrider
macrumors 604
I answered No, but in truth they "retired" it in 2023 when they gutted it.
I did say it was dead and buried but nobody believed me. Sorry folks. RIP to our old friend.
What happens now with this forum section, does it get retired as well or moved alongside all the other vintage Macs?
Since Apple isn't doing the Mac Pro anymore, it's up to the user base to keep the machine going and finding ways to extend it.
Wonder if I could make Apple an offer for the M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the Sydney store, AUD$1500 seems reasonable for a discontinued model...
What happens now with this forum section, does it get retired as well or moved alongside all the other vintage Macs?
Since Apple isn't doing the Mac Pro anymore, it's up to the user base to keep the machine going and finding ways to extend it.
Wonder if I could make Apple an offer for the M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the Sydney store, AUD$1500 seems reasonable for a discontinued model...
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impulse462
macrumors 68020
This is pretty disgusting if you ask me, but perhaps not surprising. This company has never believed in making a desktop workstation accessible to many people. Shameful
Mac is not a serious platform for computing. Never has been. It’s always been a toy. Nobody uses a Mac for real work. That’s why they are more excited about releasing an underpowered Neo than a real PC.
It existed as a serious product line for 6 years. It’s been a joke since 2013.
flowrider
macrumors 604
^^^^Nope - the 2019 7,1 Mac Pro was the pinnacle. And YES - The 2013 trash can was indeed a JOKE👎
Lou
Lou
Apple Silicon isn’t as capable as Intel. And now Intel has matched it for performance per watt. PCs run circles around MacBooks for battery life and have better performance to boot. Steve Jobs would never have abandoned Intel or the Mac Pro. But at least Apple has a $600 toy with 8GB RAM for professionals.
The 2019 I suppose was a joke because people couldn't buy it for low cost of the 2010, which they were probably getting second hand.
Mind you back in 2010, a quad-core 3.2ghz Mac Pro with Radeon 5870 1GB, 8GB RAM, 1TB spinning HDD and a 27" LED Cinema Display was AUD$6000. I still have the invoice for the one I purchased brand new back then.
Not exactly cheap either compared to a PC. So that's the reality check for the supposedly "affordable" 5,1.
Then in 2013, the maximum spec 6,1 Mac Pro was almost AUD$13,000. And they just got more expensive from there. The iMac Pro was extremely costly, then the 7,1 topped out at AUD$81,000 eventually.
flowrider
macrumors 604
In the US - The Base 2010 Mac Pro with dual processors was $4,999 list. The Base 2019 Mac Pro was $5,999 list.
Accounting for inflation, $4,999. in 2010 dollars would be $7,456. in 2019 Dollars.
So the 7,1 Mac Pro was cheaper than the 5,1 model.
Lou
To me the best part of the Mac Pro was the very knowledgeable community it spawned here.
I learned a lot from all of you here, good memories were the Netkas firmware update that turned my 4,1 in a 5,1 and the photo tutorial on replacing the CPU.
Expanding and upgrading my old MacPro extended its life to 10+ years, by the end all the drive bays were full, memory maxed out, replaced the original W3520 with the W3680, upgraded the GPU.
It was what enthusiasts do with their computers, and this little corner of the forum was very much the enthusiasts’ den.
I wanna thank all for the advice and support. I already switched to an M1Max MBP four years ago, and it has been a good experience.
But modern Macs are tinker-proof, and I doubt we’ll see the same sort of enthusiasm and knowledgeability coalesce around their existence.
Thanks again, all.
I learned a lot from all of you here, good memories were the Netkas firmware update that turned my 4,1 in a 5,1 and the photo tutorial on replacing the CPU.
Expanding and upgrading my old MacPro extended its life to 10+ years, by the end all the drive bays were full, memory maxed out, replaced the original W3520 with the W3680, upgraded the GPU.
It was what enthusiasts do with their computers, and this little corner of the forum was very much the enthusiasts’ den.
I wanna thank all for the advice and support. I already switched to an M1Max MBP four years ago, and it has been a good experience.
But modern Macs are tinker-proof, and I doubt we’ll see the same sort of enthusiasm and knowledgeability coalesce around their existence.
Thanks again, all.
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impulse462
macrumors 68020
I did my entire PhD (and continuing postdoc) research on it. 4 publications, 13 conference abstracts, and 1 lead inventor patent. I guess that doesn’t count as real work.
I hope that somehow the community finds ways to extend the 7,1 as they did the 5,1.
flowrider
macrumors 604
Yep. My first exposure to modifying a Macintosh was back in 1986 with my Mac Plus. A group of four of us Mac Plus owners got together in a users kitchen to upgrade the RAM from from One MB to Four MB. After that, through an SE30, then a Mac IIci, and over the years, many more Macs, I "upgraded" all of 'em. Then became a private consultant. I even worked part-time for Apple before there were Apple Stores. Before Apple Stores, Macs were sold by computer stores and even Sears. I visited those stores on a weekly basis, after my regular job, setting up displays and training the in-store staff on all things Macintosh. Ah, the GOOD OLD Days.
Lou
JesterJJZ
macrumors 68030
I mean I'd argue and say it existed since the Powermac G3. Name change was only that.
SDAVE
macrumors 601
Lol you live on a different planet than most people. Macs are heavily used in billion dollar industries what are you on about.
Everything you see and hear (Movies, music, etc) is basically made on a Mac. Not to mention the AI field. All tech companies are on a Mac, even Microsoft and Google.
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SDAVE
macrumors 601
Nice trolling. The M5 literally beats all CPUs in the world (including Shintel) in single core performance and the Max version even in Multicore.
What do you actually want them to do? The M5 Max and future M5 Ultra is far more capable than anything that's gone in any Mac Pro. Thunderbolt is fine for expansion.
Sounds like you're attached to the form factor, but that form factor is no longer necessary.
impulse462
macrumors 68020
Thunderbolt is most definitely NOT fine for expansion, especially for GPUs. I guess when apple says its fine to have 1000 wires coming out of your computer, people will believe its fine, until they tell them it's not fine again.
M5 max/ultra/super special mega/whatever are not far more capable than anything thats in a Mac Pro because they can't use CUDA so a person who works in ML/HPC/scientific computing will not use it.
What they could have done is created a modular system to add new GPUs from existing SoCs to current SoCs in the mac pro. They could add support for cuda, they could add support for linux. they can do all of this stuff but its obviously not economically viable. What is viable apparently is selling 1500 dollar phones for teenagers to scroll tiktok and celebrating the release of a repulsive netbook.
Thunderbolt 5, 120gbps, especially with multiple ports is perfectly fine.
Oh come on, aside from a storage array or a high speed network card, there's not going to be 1000 wires coming out of someone's Mac Studio.
Apple has never supported CUDA, that's got nothing to do with killing the Mac Pro. I'd rather Apple compete to offer a viable alternative to CUDA - screw NVIDIA.
Look I get it that a lot of tech enthusiasts have gotten very attached to the desktop tower form factor over the years, and it takes a while to move on, but things are moving on. Do you think it's just going to be Apple? Apple are just the beginninng
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SDAVE
macrumors 601
You must be new here. CUDA was supported when NVIDIA drivers were available on the 2006-2010 MPs. I used it extensively back then with programs that supported it (Premiere Pro for one). It had better performance than OpenCL.
OK, but they still haven't supported it for over 15 years.