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they are surely mostly on to Mac studios by now if they've bought new gear recently
boswald
macrumors 68030
Yeah, I figure they are, but I always wanted a Pro because they look amazing and their specs were beastly. It's like seeing a Ferrari in person I guess.
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For sure, but more cuz it looked cool than performance
A new Mac Studio outperforms the last Mac Pro for half the price
It was gourgeous though
My last Mac tower was a g4 mdd “wind tunnel”
When the g5s came out with basically the same appearance as the current I lusted after it but they cost a fortune and I had no need for one
For sure, but more cuz it looked cool than performance
A new Mac Studio outperforms the last Mac Pro for half the price
It was gourgeous though
My last Mac tower was a g4 mdd “wind tunnel”
When the g5s came out with basically the same appearance as the current I lusted after it but they cost a fortune and I had no need for one
AdamBuker
macrumors regular
I’d go so far as to say the expandable professional Mac has existed since the Macintosh II. After that you had the Quadra series, and then the Power Macs. If you count the Apple II lineup, then Apple has had an expandable system since 1977. I do like the concept of the Mac Studio and will probably get it when I upgrade, but it is no Mac Pro.
ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
All true, but also speaks to point that computing is just different now
Giant tower computers just aren’t necessary anymore for something like 99.99% of use cases
Gosh, my Mac Studio plays most games better than my previous giant 14900k tower with big amd gpu
More like attached to the upgradeability. Sealed boxes are disposable appliances. They can't easily be repurposed and reconfigured. Even a 2014 Mini can be loaded with two drives and turned into a server. An M4 and three external drives isn't nearly as tidy. Given that Apple isn't being at all helpful in releasing the detailed hardware specs for Linux developers Macs are pretty much dumpster bait when support ends.
MacHeritage
macrumors 6502a
Been using and will keep using Mac Pro's for as long as they are viable. I wish the M2 could have been upgraded to M5 and PCI-E 5 but oh well. Now we know when we hear it isn't a priority in rumours, it actually means it is going, going, gone.
The silver lining: At least we can make some purchasing decisions now, once the M5 Ultra Studio ships. Instead of waiting for something that isn't going to happen. I think that is why they killed it earlier. More will be ready to buy the M5 Studio.
The silver lining: At least we can make some purchasing decisions now, once the M5 Ultra Studio ships. Instead of waiting for something that isn't going to happen. I think that is why they killed it earlier. More will be ready to buy the M5 Studio.
How upgradeable have they ever been? Even a self built desktop computer, by the time you're ready to upgrade, the CPU you want is on a different platform so you need a new motherboard. And then you need new RAM. Sure you can throw in a new GPU but aren't you going to need a new CPU to utilise it fully?
I'm not saying it's completely pointless, but it's not what everyone makes it out to be either.
But I do agree that Apple probably should be more forthcoming when it comes to stuff they no longer support.
What changes are you going to need to make when you switch to something like the Studio? Thunderbolt storage array?
MacHeritage
macrumors 6502a
Oh, I would have to rethink it all. I use the insides and was making plans when upgrading for using PCI for way faster speeds then Thunderbolt 5 could ever do, for SSD's and had other plans for HDD etc. That is all on ice now, if upgrading to the M5 Studio.
I am not thrilled with much of the external options, to be honest, but now there isn't much choice in the matter. Will have to do more research when I have more time.
The best thing with them is you could just load them up with more and more and they just chew through it with no overheating, always silent. You could load them with enormous amounts of RAM and storage, windows can run natively (and very well). Superb machines.
That at least was the 7,1 - the same couldn't be said for the 6,1 a little round furnace, great for warming your hands in winter!
The Lenovo Thinkstation PX is the logical Mac Pro 7,1 alternative. Very expandable, well designed as well.
The 7,1 was the best Mac Pro of them all. Quiet, able to be massively expanded and very well designed.
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What use cases benefit from that extra storage speed though? Genuinely curious, not saying there aren't any.
iMacFX
macrumors newbie
In my opinion, all MacPros from 1.1 to 5.1 fulfilled their function and evolved excellently; Maybe we had the external design of the PowerMac g5, but it is the most functional of all to date.
Then in 2013, the controversial MacPro6,1 arrived; Although I don't dislike it, being a monster with its two FirePro D700s, it is true that it uses a proprietary connector (especially in a small space, where using an adapter in many cases cannot fit). As well as the fact that PCIe slots cannot be placed for those who need it.
Many years later in 2019, we would have the MacPro7,1, the last big Intel-based beast. With a somewhat more modern redesign but without leaving aside the classic aesthetics of the cheese grater. Bringing back the pcie slots, with a processor with AVX2 and AVX512 for the future, in addition to having the ability to expand the ram like the old PowerMac 9600.
And then, in 2023, we would have, the most meaningless Mac Pro ever. The ability to change CPU, GPU and even RAM was lost. We went from having a maximum capacity of 1.5TB to only 192GB (only buying the most expensive M2 Ultra), eight times less than its predecessor.
Then in 2013, the controversial MacPro6,1 arrived; Although I don't dislike it, being a monster with its two FirePro D700s, it is true that it uses a proprietary connector (especially in a small space, where using an adapter in many cases cannot fit). As well as the fact that PCIe slots cannot be placed for those who need it.
Many years later in 2019, we would have the MacPro7,1, the last big Intel-based beast. With a somewhat more modern redesign but without leaving aside the classic aesthetics of the cheese grater. Bringing back the pcie slots, with a processor with AVX2 and AVX512 for the future, in addition to having the ability to expand the ram like the old PowerMac 9600.
And then, in 2023, we would have, the most meaningless Mac Pro ever. The ability to change CPU, GPU and even RAM was lost. We went from having a maximum capacity of 1.5TB to only 192GB (only buying the most expensive M2 Ultra), eight times less than its predecessor.
pigeonguy
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Tdude96
macrumors 6502a
I suspect it is a joke. The same user said earlier, "Mac is not a serious platform for computing. Never has been. It’s always been a toy. Nobody uses a Mac for real work." Which I also took to be a joke. Sarcasm doesn't always come across well online.
ryannealcordwell
macrumors newbie
I came to second with a lifetime of serious works completed on Mac since my first at the age of 12. I cannot even begin to recount the amount of engineers, architects, researchers, storytellers, and designers I know who have moved the needle of our world on Mac systems.
I can however count the amount of RPG streamers, Facebookers and excel button-pushers I know who’ve contributed near nothing on their plastic Windows playthings.
Flint Ironstag
macrumors 68000
Looking at your post history, it's clear you wouldn't know what to do with a Mac Pro if a maxed out one landed on your desk, so...
There's real value in having a halo product. What is it now?
Xeem
macrumors 6502a
I have nothing against the Mac Pro, but thinking back I just realized that the only true Mac tower I’ve ever owned was a Power Mac 6500, and seeing the Mac Pro discontinued feels surprisingly vindicating for me as a proud G4 Cube owner…
The lack of GPU support on Apple Silicon makes the Mac Pro much less appealing, and if Apple did support GPUs, the bandwidth of Thunderbolt 5 makes eGPUs legitimately viable in many use cases anyway.
The lack of GPU support on Apple Silicon makes the Mac Pro much less appealing, and if Apple did support GPUs, the bandwidth of Thunderbolt 5 makes eGPUs legitimately viable in many use cases anyway.
What exactly makes you think that?
But come on, you can do better than that. If you've got time to go through my post history you've got time to respond to the arguments.
I think there’s a bit of generational bias here. While you and I may think of a Mac Pro as a halo model, my impression that younger generations are indifferent to it.
To them a MacBook Pro or Air is where it’s at.
Seems to me they associate desktop towers mostly with gaming nerds.
ZiinGeats
macrumors newbie
All good things must one day end. It had an amazing run, but its time is come.
I don’t understand why you are invoking the Macintosh.
The original Macintosh 128K was absolutely the definition of an all-in-one, and Steve Jobs famously did everything that he could to make the computer as difficult to open and replace as possible, viewing it as simply an appliance.
The Macintosh and the MacPro fundamentally had the opposite goal, if anything the Macintosh evolved into the iMac, which inspired the iBook and all of apples consumer electronic devices that followed.
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If you look at the entire arc of Apple’s product history, the Power Macs and Mac Pro’s are outliers rather than the norm.