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Really?

Except the iPhone manufacturing/ scratching issue perhaps, I wonder what makes you say cheaper quality.

if scratching issue / scuffing issue = cheaper quality, then...

"Except cheaper quality, I wonder what makes you say cheaper quality." ;)
 
Personally Steve was not a good man. But he was a great businessman and executor. Although he was cold and cruel personally, his customers felt the care and respect.

In contrast, personally Tim is nice and gentle, but you can judge his current business decisions.

another word...he's just hustling.
 
So the stock going up $200 in one year is going down the drain? As a large share holder Im very happy with Tim. :D

He's not very good. The ipad mini proves this. The iPhone 5 quality is atrocious. Apple is deteriorating under his leadership. No question about it.
 
if scratching issue / scuffing issue = cheaper quality, then...

"Except cheaper quality, I wonder what makes you say cheaper quality." ;)

haha, good point!

I meant the OPs comment was more targetted towards the whole Apple product line. Or so it seemed. lol

And with so many new products launched in the the last few weeks, this is only one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb (rather some iPhones with sore/scratched backs shipped out), and does not indicate quality decline in every product line :D
 
This is the answer. Couldn't have said it better. First point in particular.

Here's my take.

1) Apple wanted to get as many products on to the Lightning connector as fast as possible so people we no longer buying 30-pin accessories for their newly purchased iPads yet having to buy something else for their new iPhones. This is key, I think, for giving the new connector needed momentum. Clean break from old to new across product lines (old 4th gen. iPod touch and iPad 2 notwithstanding, which I suspect are being made still to target enterprise demographics mainly. These products are barely advertised on Apple's website).

2) Make use of their expensive new A6 architecture as quickly as possible in the iPad to keep it competitive with all the quad-core processors coming out in Android devices (and while Apple tends not to play the out-spec game, the A6 is a very fast chip, faster than many of the quad-core Android devices).

3) Similar to above, they can keep the iPod touch, iPad mini and AppleTV on the low-power 32nm A5 and the top tier devices on the A6.

4) Tim Cook runs a tight ship. If they moved the iPad line to the A6, you can bet there's a manufacturing cost benefit to it.


Just my armchair quarterbacking...
 
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying.

They should have held back on the iPad "4" release for the Spring.

The 13" rMPB should have released alongside the 15".

The iPad Mini should have been 7"

iPhone should be on 8 month release cycle.

Steve jobs is rolling in his grave now. A yr ago before I had an iPad, I initially wondered why the large size, but after having one, it totally made sense. And I respected apple for NOT following the competition. Now that they've succumbed to competing when the iPad far surpasses is mind boggling. Mostly bc it def should have been 7"! And retina display. All my apple products are now retina display, so can't go back on that.

Pricing matters. So by apple pricing the iPad mini so high and not including the same specs as the 3, it shows they are really ripping us off. Their profit margins on the mini are so high! I don't mind paying more for better quality etc but offering less bells and whistles for practically the same price, is just bad business ethics.

And since it's money they want, all the people who have been waiting for the mini bc they would never be able to afford the iPad - well apple you just lost those customers. So many people who were hoping for the $200-275 price range will not be buying now. Since the iPad mini is far more portability, it would be silly not to get the cellular service on it. The iPad size for wifi only made sense bc you're mostly going to use it at home/school/coffee shop. The mini can obviously be carried with you at all times.

I was thinking of getting the mini in addition to my ipad3 for portability reasons, but not when it will still be $500 and no retina display.
 
Steve jobs is rolling in his grave now. A yr ago before I had an iPad, I initially wondered why the large size, but after having one, it totally made sense. And I respected apple for NOT following the competition. Now that they've succumbed to competing when the iPad far surpasses is mind boggling.

This.
Who cares about a 7 inch tablet? its too small, that's what your iPhone is for! I'm giggling at the thought of everyone ditching the smart phones going back to cheap flip phones and running around with iPad minis.

How strange everything is becoming!
 
I can't disagree with anything you said. Steve is no longer around so Tim Cook thinks his business strategy will pay off in the long term. I have my concerns.

I completely agree with this. I have been very concerned about Cook since the beginning. He's like an empty shell of Jobs. Nobody can replace Jobs.

Cook is a stodgy logistics guy who lacks a real vision. I predicted that the people would start calling for his resignation in November, 2013.

Cook will NEVER last because a man without vision in the tech world is a man without a soul. He's running out of room, fast.

Jobs would never spec bump the iPad 3 six months in. This is a terrible mistake. There's no need for this at all. The iPad 3 was selling well. They could have gotten a year out of it. Nobody needs the iPad 4! They're just confusing people and pissing off their customers. And buying habits are going to become much less predictable now.

What the iPad needs is design! Thinness and lightness. Apple is quickly becoming just another tech company following specs and losing the product management.
 
It is a bit strange and a little scattergun. As much as choice is nice, Apple's line up has never looked so....err....all over the place. Macbook pros with/without retina, iPad's same, 7 month update to the mainline iPad, amazing new iMacs...with the same old res in a product doesn't really need to be thin. iPhone 5S in March?

The only thing I don't subscribe to is the puzzlement of iPod Touch prices relative to the mini. Different product entirely, and miniaturization (in the iPod) drives the price up.

Do wonder if they're buckling to the trend of releasing loads of different stuff regularly, ala everybody else, which is surely the opposite of what's made them a success in the last ten years. Chucking a load of stuff at the wall is what did for them last time isn't it? Aside from the fabled new mac pros, irrelevant to the masses, what on earth are Apple going to hype up between now and q4 next year? Apple TV? Are we going to see constant incremental updates to iDevices, which will totally undermine the strengths of the platform?
 
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Because Steve was SO good when he was right, we forget some of his failures. (Lisa, NEXT, Cube, to name a few) What this feels like more than anything is the kind of product refresh lineup we use to get a MacWorld Expo SF in January, before Apple pulled out. Same sensory overload...

Steve Jobs was more involved on the Mac than Lisa and wasn't CEO at the time either was released. NEXT is what saved Apple and Apple is still milking to this day (but has not been given its due tending)! It's the software inside almost every single Apple product.

The Cube, well . . . it was a super fast, super quiet, super computer: in an 8-inch Cube! I loved my Cube. I'm with you there on the commercial success of it. Oh but it is such a beauty. Such a beauty. And it is one time where Apple made upgradeability super easy while making it seem as if it wouldn't be easy due to its appearance. It had such a solid latch and handle for popping the innards out. I still have mine, but it needs a new graphics card to work. Otherwise, it should still power up fine, knock on wood.

I still remember when Apple said they were putting the Cube on ice.

You never know when it may make a return. ;)
 
Here's my take.

1) Apple wanted to get as many products on to the Lightning connector as fast as possible so people we no longer buying 30-pin accessories for their newly purchased iPads yet having to buy something else for their new iPhones. This is key, I think, for giving the new connector needed momentum. Clean break from old to new across product lines (old 4th gen. iPod touch and iPad 2 notwithstanding, which I suspect are being made still to target enterprise demographics mainly. These products are barely advertised on Apple's website).

2) Make use of their expensive new A6 architecture as quickly as possible in the iPad to keep it competitive with all the quad-core processors coming out in Android devices (and while Apple tends not to play the out-spec game, the A6 is a very fast chip, faster than many of the quad-core Android devices).

3) Similar to above, they can keep the iPod touch, iPad mini and AppleTV on the low-power 32nm A5 and the top tier devices on the A6.

4) Tim Cook runs a tight ship. If they moved the iPad line to the A6, you can bet there's a manufacturing cost benefit to it.


Just my armchair quarterbacking...

I agree here - getting the Lightning connector out on all new units as soon as possible should be an important goal. With the A6 platform up and running, it makes perfect sense to get it out rather than keep producing the older A5 - its actually probably a lower cost to focus on the A6. Its also getting increasingly competitive on the specs so Apple is forced to keep up.

The 4th gen iPad has the same screen, form factor and weight. Its simply a spec bump on the 3rd generation and nobody should think that their 3rd generation is obsolete.
 
Releasing the Ipad on a 6 month cycle, but not being different enough to the casual consumer from the last one, AND not letting the 1 year hype build to the point it will create a frenzy like new Apple Products usually do. Potentially pissing off the people who purchased iPad in the last 6 months. The Holiday season will help though with sales.

Ipad Mini being a bit too close in size to the Ipad IMO (should have been 7 inches which increases portability and ppi at same res), yet being priced too high relative to the 7 inch competition and not being Retina. Mini at $249 might not have brought them the big margins, but would have DESTROYED the competition. At $329 Retina would likely do it too. And Ipod Touch at $300 and Ipad Mini $329? Where does the ipod nano even fit, it's too weak in comparison to the Touch and not super cheap.

Too many product announcements in a short time. They just announced the new Iphone, new Ipod touch, new Ipad and ipad mini, along with the other more minor announcements today in a 1 month time period. Spreading the announcements over the year helps keep the momentum/hype machine strong. It used to be highly anticipated announcements about 1 "magical" product that commanded a whole event.

If anything needed an accelerated upgrade cycle, it is the iphone, NOT the iPad. The iPad is still regarded as the undisputed, unchallenged king of the tablet world, and the only viable choice on the premium end. The iphone has many strong challengers and they "fall behind" spec wise faster on smartphones by the time the next one comes out.

Their products are leaking like crazy now, to the point that we know most of the details before the announcement. this has been blamed on China, etc...but don't recall it happening under Jobs with the exception of someone losing the iphone 4 at the bar, not really a "leak"

I have been the BIGGEST Apple fanboy over the years, to the point people were shocked to see me trying an S3 (I later returned it and stayed with Iphone 5).

Your argument is based on the false assumption that Apple makes business decisions based on your type of purchasing behavior: closely following what's going on in the tech business, upgrading devices more or less at each new iteration and so on. Well, here's a news for you: the vast majority of consumers are not like that. They keep their devices until it ceases to be functional. I would bet that most of the people who bought the original iPad are still using it and do not think about upgrading it yet.

Tim Cook is actually running the company in the wisest way possible: he's targeting new customers that will increase the Apple platforms user-base. Which implies that Apple products on the market, especially iOS devices ought to be at the top, specification-wise, and that there are devices available at reasonable prices for the largest range of usage types.

That said, I do agree that some pricing decisions are somewhat questionable. iPad Mini at 299 instead of 329 could probably make a sales volume difference that would largely make up for the 30 bucks less in margin. Likewise, the Retina MBP's for me are overpriced in an unreasonable way.
 
Pride goeth before the fall.

Apple these days is reminding more and more of Microsoft circa late-90's. Didn't we used to make fun of them? :confused:

Lol what do you mean "used to?" Outside of the Xbox, they are totally lost when it comes to product strategy. How many different versions of Vista and Win7 were there on the shelves again?

Tim knows what he's doing. The fact that so many cant understand this just proves you are simplistic consumers and have no business knowledge.
 
I still remember when Apple said they were putting the Cube on ice.

You never know when it may make a return. ;)

Would not be a bad thing. Not gonna happen, but wouldn't be a bad thing. It almost feels like Apple has painted themselves into a corner labeled "minimalistic and ultra-thin." I'm thinking I'd like to see a corner labeled "robust and curvaceous"...

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Tim knows what he's doing. The fact that so many cant understand this just proves you are simplistic consumers and have no business knowledge.

Damn that Emperor with his new clothes... :rolleyes:
 
Apple's 100 billion in the bank allows them to make a few mistakes. If this new strategy isn't successful, they will still have the chance to go back.
 
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