So much anger and bitterness here and everywhere. Why ?

[ihatetoregister]

So first, I'm fairly new to this forum, but not to the Apple world. I've switched in a little over 10 years ago, and never came back.
I do web development and this was simply the best platform to work with. Plus, no more of this windows nonsense. No more of this stuff : https://blogs.office.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/February-Office-365-updates-8-NEW-TAB.png which continues to look and be horrendous even 10 years after.

But Apple hasn't been super great either. While laptops were getting shiny blu-ray players & burners, we were stuck with the *********, noisiest CDRW/DVD combo. I think it became a DVDRW drive when everyone else had BDRW.
We were stuck with USB2 for very long. Apple switched to USB3 2.5 years after the others, which is ridiculous for a supposedly high-end, "pro" machine.
Same story for SSD. And for "advanced" connexions such as HDMI ( funnily enough, this can't be said of the last one, but it's problematic for other reasons ).
All this while making the highest margins in the business and no, this is not because they're better at building their machine, it's because it was always made of outdated & then now cheap components, sold at an extremely high price.

Which brings me to my point. I have the same bitterness now that I had before, because this is literally the exact same pattern as before : Baring a couple of true innovations (thin form factor, battery life, Retina ), quickly copied by the PC world short after, it has ALWAYS been like that.
We have been paying too much for outdated hardware, and they make high profit out of it, and we followed.

Some do it for the hype (it's ok, I don't care), so do it because they're now stuck in the ecosystem (me), and finally most do it because of the OS (me too).
Because let's be honest, almost NO ONE would buy those machines, outdated and overpriced, if it was to run Windows.
Nothing has changed, really. So I'm wondering : Why is there so much anger and bitterness now ? Here and about elsewhere, from the news to my FB feed & more.
How is it any different from before ?

This makes me hesitate to ask my work to pay for this. With a Razer Steath Blade, I could get rid of my gaming PC at home.

 

[torana355]

I think its the perfect storm of such a long wait for the latest rMBP release then the steep price, lack of ports, gimmicky Touch Bar and getting rid of Magsafe. I think we would all be happy if the machine was priced this high and everything else was on point, but with all the other issues people are pissed. That being said i think im still going to get a new 15" rMBP, the competition still has not got anything that competes as a complete package

 

[Rob_2811]

I'll tell you why i'm angry. I'm a software developer not exclusively but mainly iOS stuff. Given that Apple only makes the developer tools available on the Mac platform they are basically giving devs a choice between outdated hardware or ridiculously overpriced hardware.

They are screwing the developer community that made their platform so popular and profitable. Disgusting greed.

Seriously considering Hackintosh or the cheapest Mac i can get away with for native code and doing most of my stuff in Linux.

 

[NickPhamUK]

Because those on this forum are die hard fans who feel betrayed?

I know a few people who have been using Macs since the 90s and they actually said that this year's MacBook Pro is the worst of all time. Lots of gimmicks, loss of useful components and an exorbitant increase in price. Unbelievable.

 

[leman]

Because people like to complain? Can't make everyone happy, especially if you want to keep innovating. The new MBP is amazing and a true next-gen computer. I have to admit that I was having my doubts with Apple recently, but after with the new MBP, there can be no doubt that their focus on delivering visionary innovations has not diminished in the slightest.

 

[lympero]

Because those on this forum are die hard fans who feel betrayed?

I know a few people who have been using Macs since the 90s and they actually said that this year's MacBook Pro is the worst of all time. Lots of gimmicks, loss of useful components and an exorbitant increase in price. Unbelievable.

Add to that an extra cost of 250€/$ for adapters...

 

[NickPhamUK]

Because people like to complain? Can't make everyone happy, especially if you want to keep innovating. The new MBP is amazing and a true next-gen computer. I have to admit that I was having my doubts with Apple recently, but after with the new MBP, there can be no doubt that their focus on delivering visionary innovations has not diminished in the slightest.

Innovation does not mean you slap $300 or €400 onto a laptop for a Touch Bar and removing all useful ports. The fastest graphics card is equivalent to GTX 960/965 and it's last year components. This laptop doesn't scream "Pro" at all, it's an insult to professionals.

But yeah, let's make the laptop thinner for the sake of being thinner, more expensive and include a "cool" factor aka emoji Touch Bar. Essentially, a toy for spoiled Starbucks bunnies with rich parents.

 

[Rob_2811]

Because people like to complain? Can't make everyone happy, especially if you want to keep innovating. The new MBP is amazing and a true next-gen computer. I have to admit that I was having my doubts with Apple recently, but after with the new MBP, there can be no doubt that their focus on delivering visionary innovations has not diminished in the slightest.

Wow.

 

[Ries]

Because people like to complain? Can't make everyone happy, especially if you want to keep innovating. The new MBP is amazing and a true next-gen computer. I have to admit that I was having my doubts with Apple recently, but after with the new MBP, there can be no doubt that their focus on delivering visionary innovations has not diminished in the slightest.

Lol,visionary innovation. Gimmick toolbar that has been done before. Super overpriced halfbaked standard internals. Screen produced and invented by some other company that is not even close to 4K. Connectivity pushed back to the dark ages of dongles. Can't even connect thier flagship phone released less than 2 months ago. The only thing new in this machine is touch ID and that was expected, heck the computers at my work had fingerprint readers for years. Then there was Apples unbridled greed move by rasing prices across the board.

 

[JackieInCo]

Lol,visionary innovation. Gimmick toolbar that has been done before. Super overpriced halfbaked standard internals. Screen produced and invented by some other company that is not even close to 4K. Connectivity pushed back to the dark ages of dongles. Can't even connect thier flagship phone released less than 2 months ago. The only thing new in this machine is touch ID and that was expected, heck the computers at my work had fingerprint readers for years. Then there was Apples unbridled greed move by rasing prices across the board.

So even the iPhone 7 can't be connected to the new MBP without an adaptor? HAH! I thought I was just out of luck with my 6S and 6S+ and older phones and iPad.

 

[dumastudetto]

Innovation does not mean you slap $300 or €400 onto a laptop for a Touch Bar and removing all useful ports. The fastest graphics card is equivalent to GTX 960/965 and it's last year components. This laptop doesn't scream "Pro" at all, it's an insult to professionals.

But yeah, let's make the laptop thinner for the sake of being thinner, more expensive and include a "cool" factor aka emoji Touch Bar. Essentially, a toy for spoiled Starbucks bunnies with rich parents.

If you want bleeding-edge specs like graphics cards then Mac has never been for you. Apple always puts a much greater value on things like stability, battery life, and tuning everything to work beautifully with macOS. It's not even possible for them to have put the latest graphics cards in these machines. They will been in development for many months, and as I stay things like graphics need to be custom tuned to the operating system and a lot of testing is involved.

These new MacBook Pros are the best MacBook Pros Apple has ever made. If you don't think they are worthy of an upgrade, then I wish you much happiness and every success with your new Windows laptop.

Apple can not to do better than this. These new MacBook Pros are pure unadulterated perfection.

 

[Mythos99]

Eventhough i ordered myself a new MBP 15, i'm just so disappointed in this machine after waiting for sooooo long. The touch-bar was just pure gimmick, and i have to pay like 300 Euros for that? Why? Where is my 32GB of Ram? I have major concers about the butterfly-keyboard, but i will first see how it does in real life before i can really say if i like it or not.

I don't know, the whole update is just meh, but i really need a new laptop, and if i don't like the new, i will buy last year mbp.

 

[Rob_2811]

Lol,visionary innovation. Gimmick toolbar that has been done before. Super overpriced halfbaked standard internals. Screen produced and invented by some other company that is not even close to 4K. Connectivity pushed back to the dark ages of dongles. Can't even connect thier flagship phone released less than 2 months ago. The only thing new in this machine is touch ID and that was expected, heck the computers at my work had fingerprint readers for years. Then there was Apples unbridled greed move by rasing prices across the board.

Touch ID, only 5 years after it arrived on iOS and three years after Lenovo shipped a fingerprint reader on Thinkpads. Tim Cook loves the Mac and he's very committed to it. Stay tuned for more visionary innovations.
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If you want bleeding-edge specs like graphics cards then Mac has never been for you. Apple always puts a much greater value on things like stability, battery life, and tuning everything to work beautifully with macOS. It's not even possible for them to have put the latest graphics cards in these machines. They will been in development for many months, and as I stay things like graphics need to be custom tuned to the operating system and a lot of testing is involved.

These new MacBook Pros are the best MacBook Pros Apple has ever made. If you don't think they are worthy of an upgrade, then I wish you much happiness and every success with your new Windows laptop.

Apple can not to do better than this. These new MacBook Pros are pure unadulterated perfection.

Good god, there is just no reasoning with this.

 

[Ries]

If you want bleeding-edge specs like graphics cards then Mac has never been for you. Apple always puts a much greater value on things like stability, battery life, and tuning everything to work beautifully with macOS. It's not even possible for them to have put the latest graphics cards in these machines. They will been in development for many months, and as I stay things like graphics need to be custom tuned to the operating system and a lot of testing is involved.

These new MacBook Pros are the best MacBook Pros Apple has ever made. If you don't think they are worthy of an upgrade, then I wish you much happiness and every success with your new Windows laptop.

Apple can not to do better than this. These new MacBook Pros are pure unadulterated perfection.

I don't know what reality you live in, but there is nothing "custom tuned" in that thing. The graphics card is rebranded standard GPU with circitry disabled for the lower models. Highly likely it's the leftovers of the RX460 that didn't make full specs. They don't care about battery, they set goals for what they want and slash internals to save the most possible money. You want to know where the power saving from skylake went? They went into a smaller battery to save Apple money. I have a Macbook Pro 2011 that works just a good as that new overpriced halfbaked Macbook Pro. Perfection? Lol.

 

[dumastudetto]

I don't know what reality you live in, but there is nothing "custom tuned" in that thing. The graphics card is rebranded standard GPU with circitry disabled for the lower models. Highly likely it's the leftovers of the RX460 that didn't make full specs. They don't care about battery, they set goals for what they want and slash internals to save the most possible money. You want to know where the power saving from skylake went? They went into a smaller battery to save Apple money. I have a Macbook Pro 2011 that works just a good as that new overpriced halfbaked Macbook Pro. Perfection? Lol.

Of course there is custom tuning. You do realise all that powerful hardware needs software to marry perfectly with macOS?

 

[Rob_2811]

I don't know what reality you live in, but there is nothing "custom tuned" in that thing. The graphics card is rebranded standard GPU with circitry disabled for the lower models. Highly likely it's the leftovers of the RX460 that didn't make full specs. They don't care about battery, they set goals for what they want and slash internals to save the most possible money. You want to know where the power saving from skylake went? They went into a smaller battery to save Apple money. I have a Macbook Pro 2011 that works just a good as that new overpriced halfbaked Macbook Pro. Perfection? Lol.

The funniest part is i'm not even sure it is the best MacBook Pro they've ever made. I won't buy a laptop that doesn't have physical function keys i'm afraid.

 

[bruinsrme]

So even the iPhone 7 can't be connected to the new MBP without an adaptor? HAH! I thought I was just out of luck with my 6S and 6S+ and older phones and iPad.

But you can use your old 3.5mm headphones on the new macs. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[mctrials23]

No idea why this is always the "OMG look at how ridiculous the USB-C port is with a crazy dock". Try looking at a last gen macbook pro plugged in. I get back to the office with that macbook and I plug in the usb-c cable and I'm done. My old macbook pro would be:

Plug in magsafe
Plug in thunderbolt to ethernet
Plug in thunderbolt to monitor
Plug in 3.5mm to audio
Plug in HDMI to monitor
Plug in usb to external hd

That wasn't much fun if I just wanted to pop out for a while. I'm not claiming that we are in a perfect situation now but I will be happy to farm all that off to a single dock behind my monitor and carry a couple of dongles with me when I go out.

 

[rolfbert]

Why is there so much anger and bitterness now ? Here and about elsewhere, from the news to my FB feed & more.
How is it any different from before ?

Price increases by 20% or so
Removal of useful features such as Magsafe or a usable keyboard
One year old technology

The combination of these make the package very uninteresting to me

 

[Abazigal]

Nothing has changed, really. So I'm wondering : Why is there so much anger and bitterness now ? Here and about elsewhere, from the news to my FB feed & more.
How is it any different from before ?

The way I see it, the problem is precisely that Apple hasn't changed, and that things are no different from back then.

Apple has always been a company who believes in skating to where they believe the puck will be. This means that among other things, Apple is not afraid to rock the boat and introduce changes which are so radical, they make even the Apple faithful confused and afraid.

Think about it. People fell in love in Apple back then precisely because it offered something different and unique from the status quo which met their needs. Now, Apple is doing the exact same thing. Only problem is, the needs of the people who followed Apple 10-20 years ago haven't changed for most part. They expect Apple to continue doing the same thing it has been doing for the past 10 years because that's what they want. That's why they bought Apple products to begin with.

But Apple is a company who marches to its own beat. It wasn't afraid to block flash, to remove the floppy drive, to release a smartphone without a physical keyboard, to ship a tablet with a mobile OS, to ditch the CD-drive, to include only 1 port in the MBA, and recently, to remove the headphone jack from the iphone. Why then are people surprised and upset when Apple starts targeting the ports and buttons on your laptops? Did you think there were any sacred cows that Apple did not dare touch?

In short, the Apple faithful are disappointed that they apparently have no place in this new world order that they helped Apple create.

 

[Spudlicious]

Innovation does not mean you slap $300 or €400 onto a laptop for a Touch Bar and removing all useful ports. The fastest graphics card is equivalent to GTX 960/965 and it's last year components. This laptop doesn't scream "Pro" at all, it's an insult to professionals.

But yeah, let's make the laptop thinner for the sake of being thinner, more expensive and include a "cool" factor aka emoji Touch Bar. Essentially, a toy for spoiled Starbucks bunnies with rich parents.

Ah, but surely Starbucks bunnies want a glowing Apple logo to signal their status to other latte sippers? They don't get that with the new models.

 

[maflynn]

Why is there so much anger and bitterness now ?

I'm going to look inwardly and this is really about my feelings, and no one else.

For me, Apple has always been about being different, their design, their attention to detail, their use of premium components. Now in 2016, we have a 3 year old Mac Pro untouched since it was released and when it was unveiled it had a large price tag. The Mac Mini has been 2 years, since it last update and when they did update it, they cut down the number of cores, its now a hamstrung machine that is left unloved.

I reference those machines to illustrate a pattern, and since I've owned (or still own), Mac minis, and Mac Pros (used to own a MP), I have some vested interest. With regards to the MacBook Pro, I have a 2012, and that as the last major update. That machine was (and is great), but the subsequent years have only brought minor speed bumps and a slight thinning.

Fast forward to 2016, we have HP, Dell, Microsoft, Asus and others producing some unique designs, or very fast machines, so the hope was that Apple was going to leap frog them, and I suppose in a way they have. Love it or hate it, the touch bar is a unqiue feature and I believe its apple's answer to touch screen laptops. Also inline with Apple's philosophy, they made the laptop thinner - no surprise there.

 

[Ries]

Of course there is custom tuning. You do realise all that powerful hardware needs software to marry perfectly with macOS?

I'm a software/hardware developer, what is your credentials. There is no more tuning going on than in every nvidia/amd driver for windows.

 

[lobo1978]

I'll tell you why i'm angry. I'm a software developer not exclusively but mainly iOS stuff. Given that Apple only makes the developer tools available on the Mac platform they are basically giving devs a choice between outdated hardware or ridiculously overpriced hardware.

I wonder, do you earn money or it's volunteering? If you are making any profit, in my opinion, you can afford new computer every 4 years. Especially if you are making money with it and you want to depend on it. If you don't see the difference, just build hackintosh or buy Linux (as you stated in your post).

You really don't have to spread negativity -- which is quite "trendy" - that's why every 'revelation' about new MBPr is going viral.

 

[mattopotamus]

now that the dust has settled you will see that a lot of people are actually purchasing the new Macs, myself included. Sure the price is high, but currently using the no TB 13" and love it!